Player stats, sales, and reception speculation thread

[IntelligentDisk]

Addiction-type framings aside, I’m curious why anyone wouldn’t recommend a game that they have spent hours on. If someone enjoys it enough to spend all that time on it, why not imagine someone else similar might too? (Or is it a mistake to set aside pathological framings of why people spend time on a game like this?)

I think it's completely fair to play a game a lot and still be disappointed in it, thus not recommending it in it's current state at the point of reviewing.

 

[Leucarum]

Personally, I was able to enjoy Antiquity, and it's great on a steam deck. But Exploration is mediocre and modern is bad - I'd say the updates still haven't moved the needle on these very much. I got fun out of it, but I doubt that'd be true for most people. In my review I pointed out that I would likely flip to reccommend if Firaxis continue to improve it successfully.

I weirdly gave a do not reccomend review for humankind too, despite saying I was glad I played it in the review. So I guess I do separate out enjoyment and reccomendation quite often...

 

[IntelligentDisk]

Seems like we saw a new player high today. Hasn‘t been that many concurrent players in (almost?) half a year.

That's right. Highest since May 4th which had a peak of 14,872. The peak will certainly be even higher tomorrow, possibly breaking 14,000.

 

[Crashdummy]

And yet you want them to listen to you. "easy" doesn't really come into that. We all want to be listened to

Of course i want to be listened, if i give feedback is because i think its good and improves the game

Then its THEIR JOB to decide if it is good feedback or not.

 

[Smegger213]

We're seeing the first 2-week period over 60% positive. 309 positive, 187 negative, 496 total reviews. 62.3% positive.

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I love how you artificially inflate the numbers by adding the last 2 weeks together.
Yet when you add the last 2 weeks up individually you get this:
From Thursday 23rd October = 102 positive, 100 negative = 50.5% positive.
From Thursday 30th October = 181 positive, 92 negative = 66.3% positive.
I counted full weeks starting Thrusdays because that's where you like to start counting from.

This is because there was a large spike in positive reviews after the 4th November patch.
So, that's 1 week of just above 50% and a big week of 66%.
But, lets add both weeks together, then we can say it was 59.58% positive for 2 weeks..

 

[IntelligentDisk]

I love how you artificially inflate the numbers by adding the last 2 weeks together.
Yet when you add the last 2 weeks up individually you get this:
From Thursday 23rd October = 102 positive, 100 negative = 50.5% positive.
From Thursday 30th October = 181 positive, 92 negative = 66.3% positive.
I counted full weeks starting Thrusdays because that's where you like to start counting from.

This is because there was a large spike in positive reviews after the 4th November patch.
So, that's 1 week of just above 50% and a big week of 66%.
But, lets add both weeks together, then we can say it was 59.58% positive for 2 weeks..

Not this nonsense again.

I love how you artificially inflate the numbers by adding the last 2 weeks together.

Yes, to get the overall rating for a 2-week period you have to add 2 weeks/14 days together.

Yet when you add the last 2 weeks up individually you get this:
From Thursday 23rd October = 102 positive, 100 negative = 50.5% positive.
From Thursday 30th October = 181 positive, 92 negative = 66.3% positive.

I posted that graph yesterday on the 7th November, with the count starting 2 weeks prior on the 25th October. It was the most up to date 2 week period as of yesterday. You've changed the dates and used an older 2 week period. If you use a different 2-week period, you're obviously going to get different results.

If you want to break down the 2-week period into separate weeks you will see the first week had a 57% positive rating and the second week had a 66% positive rating. Combine the 2 and you get the first 2-week period over 60%.

I counted full weeks starting Thrusdays because that's where you like to start counting from.

Complete nonsense.

So, that's 1 week of just above 50% and a big week of 66%.

If we use your data of a different period then you'll get that. If you use the data of my period you'll see the first week slightly below 60% and the second week in the mid 60s.

As you've brought this up, I'll give a quick update. As of today the 2-week period is even better at 63% positive, currently the best its ever been.

 

[Smegger213]

Not this nonsense again.

Yes, to get the overall rating for a 2-week period you have to add 2 weeks/14 days together.

I posted that graph yesterday on the 7th November, with the count starting 2 weeks prior on the 25th October. It was the most up to date 2 week period as of yesterday. You've changed the dates and used an older 2 week period. If you use a different 2-week period, you're obviously going to get different results.

If you want to break down the 2-week period into separate weeks you will see the first week had a 57% positive rating and the second week had a 66% positive rating. Combine the 2 and you get the first 2-week period over 60%.

Complete nonsense.


If we use your data of a different period then you'll get that. If you use the data of my period you'll see the first week slightly below 60% and the second week in the mid 60s.

As you've brought this up, I'll give a quick update. As of today the 2-week period is even better at 63% positive, currently the best its ever been.

What utter c___. You have always gone on about starting counting from a Thursday. Because that was when early access and reviews started.
Like I pointed out Thursday 23rd Oct was 50.5%, Thursday 30th Oct was 66.3%.
Those are the last full 2 weeks counting from a Thursday.
You were the one that always wanted to start weekly counts from a Thursday.
But because there was a big spike from the 4th November, suddenly you can get a bigger 2 week number.

But lets go back 3 weeks shall we?
Thursday 16th October was 101 positive, 101 negative for 50% dead.
But if we add the 3 weeks together we can say that we get 56.72% for the 3 weeks.
Which is a croc of crap because it was only the last week that was high.
2 weeks before that it was at 50% or just above 50%.

But at the end of the day its only the last full Thursday week that was big at 66.3%.

This is why its pointless adding up individual weeks, until you get a full monthly figure for the whole of the month.

 

[Smegger213]

The count should start on Thursday 6th February as that's when the first reviews come in. Then, you can accurately compare to other games (which is what I do when I look at "player retention"). It makes no sense to start it on a Tuesday. What Tuesday would you start on? Tuesday 11th February which will omit 64% of all reviews? Or Tuesday 4th February - 2 days before the early access period starts. Neither of those make any sense.

Your exact words from back in page 273.
That is why you said you count your weeks starting from a Thursday.

 

[leif erikson]

Moderator Action: Present your data as you wish, with civility.

 

[IntelligentDisk]

What utter c___. You have always gone on about starting counting from a Thursday. Because that was when early access and reviews started.
Like I pointed out Thursday 23rd Oct was 50.5%, Thursday 30th Oct was 66.3%.
Those are the last full 2 weeks counting from a Thursday.
You were the one that always wanted to start weekly counts from a Thursday.
But because there was a big spike from the 4th November, suddenly you can get a bigger 2 week number.

But lets go back 3 weeks shall we?
Thursday 16th October was 101 positive, 101 negative for 50% dead.
But if we add the 3 weeks together we can say that we get 56.72% for the 3 weeks.
Which is a croc of crap because it was only the last week that was high.
2 weeks before that it was at 50% or just above 50%.

But at the end of the day its only the last full Thursday week that was big at 66.3%.

This is why its pointless adding up individual weeks, until you get a full monthly figure for the whole of the month.

Wow. It must seriously offend and upset you to see the positive review % rise.

The "count on a Thursday" is if you're going to compare to other games on a week-by-week basis. It's nothing to do with looking at 2-week periods. I've gone over that several times but you struggle to understand it.

Like I pointed out Thursday 23rd Oct was 50.5%, Thursday 30th Oct was 66.3%.
Those are the last full 2 weeks counting from a Thursday.
You were the one that always wanted to start weekly counts from a Thursday.

I don't care. You're using a different 2-week period.

But lets go back 3 weeks shall we?
Thursday 16th October was 101 positive, 101 negative for 50% dead.
But if we add the 3 weeks together we can say that we get 56.72% for the 3 weeks.
Which is a croc of crap because it was only the last week that was high.
2 weeks before that it was at 50% or just above 50%.

I don't care. I've never claimed anything about the 3 week period from October 16th to November 1st. I said we had the best 2 week period ever from October 25th to November 7th.

This is why its pointless adding up individual weeks, until you get a full monthly figure for the whole of the month.

No, it isn't. You can look at any time period you want to. If you want to look at a longer period, how about 30 days? You'll see we're at the best 30 day period ever at 55.8% positive. 556 positive, 441, negative, 997 total reviews. It could reach 60% within a week.

 

[Askia Muhammad]

Will be interesting to see if reviews change when it becomes paid dlc.

I doubt it - I think anybody who’s anybody will have gotten it free before it shifts. Obviously just conjecture but I bet 90% of the people who will own it probably will get it while it’s free

 

[stealth_nsk]

I doubt it - I think anybody who’s anybody will have gotten it free before it shifts. Obviously just conjecture but I bet 90% of the people who will own it probably will get it while it’s free

It depends on which timeframe we'll take. If Civ7 will receive normal support with 2 expansions, DLCs and periodical discounts, it will continue to be sold and in a couple of years we'll have as many people joined the game after this free offer as those who joined before.

 

[Askia Muhammad]

Wow. It must seriously offend and upset you to see the positive review % rise.

The "count on a Thursday" is if you're going to compare to other games on a week-by-week basis. It's nothing to do with looking at 2-week periods. I've gone over that several times but you struggle to understand it.


I don't care. You're using a different 2-week period.

I don't care. I've never claimed anything about the 3 week period from October 16th to November 1st. I said we had the best 2 week period ever from October 25th to November 7th.


No, it isn't. You can look at any time period you want to. If you want to look at a longer period, how about 30 days? You'll see we're at the best 30 day period ever at 55.8% positive. 556 positive, 441, negative, 997 total reviews. It could reach 60% within a week.

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I’m really not surprised by these numbers I think this patch conceptually is really fun. I mean pirate republic, the ability to pillage without a DoW, reaching distant lands before anyone else… some great stuff

I fired up a game and haven’t finished but I can’t say I felt it was “bad” like I definitely would have said before. Now I’m just not motivated to continue

 

[Kwami]

It depends on which timeframe we'll take. If Civ7 will receive normal support with 2 expansions, DLCs and periodical discounts, it will continue to be sold and in a couple of years we'll have as many people joined the game after this free offer as those who joined before.

It's likely that there will be many more players joining after today than before today.

But, the "gold" or "platinum" or "definitive" editions of the game will also bundle in the DLC, so those players won't be buying it directly.

 

[Gorbles]

Of course i want to be listened, if i give feedback is because i think its good and improves the game

Then its THEIR JOB to decide if it is good feedback or not.

Exactly!

This is the entire feedback loop. But you can't control what feedback they take on board, and what they don't.

What happens when they listen to players you disagree with? What happens when they listen to players I disagree with?

Can we really say they're doing an objectively bad job, in that case?

 

[stealth_nsk]

It's likely that there will be many more players joining after today than before today.

But, the "gold" or "platinum" or "definitive" editions of the game will also bundle in the DLC, so those players won't be buying it directly.

Yeah, but I wouldn't expect it to be packed soon (probably once first expansion will be released) and once people will buy it as part of the pack, they'll not judge it as free content.

 

[Kwami]

Yeah, but I wouldn't expect it to be packed soon (probably once first expansion will be released) and once people will buy it as part of the pack, they'll not judge it as free content.

Well, sure, but they won't be judging it as DLC at all. It'll just be part of the game.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Well, sure, but they won't be judging it as DLC at all. It'll just be part of the game.

Well, thinking about it, since each individual leader and civilization are listed as separate content on Steam, it's more likely people will react to them. So yes, probably after naval DLC pack will be bundled, we'll see much fewer reviews.

 

[Crashdummy]

Exactly!

This is the entire feedback loop. But you can't control what feedback they take on board, and what they don't.

What happens when they listen to players you disagree with? What happens when they listen to players I disagree with?

Can we really say they're doing an objectively bad job, in that case?

We cant say they are doing a good or bad job based on which feedback they listen

We can say if they are doing a good or bad job based on if the game gets more successful or not

 

[Gorbles]

We cant say they are doing a good or bad job based on which feedback they listen

We can say if they are doing a good or bad job based on if the game gets more successful or not

Which we only know after decisions have been made and implementations carried out. Again. It's the same loop.

It's something to think about. Particularly as recent review news seems to be pretty positive.