Player's Guide to Complex Traits

Have you seen just how many yields most tiles give right now? I mean, I'm sure more balance is there to be had but tiles are usually still a little better than a specialist. They will be much more so when tiles also add GP pts later in the plan here.

Agree!

I feel the value of Great People has dulled from its place in vanilla BtS, not because GP have become weaker but simply because everything else has become stronger. They're still good, but not as great. The automatic response would be to make GP stronger, but by adding GPP to tiles you seem to be taking a different approach, making GP more frequent. I'm excited to see how it goes. More GP has the added advantage of making the wide variety of new GP types more accessible.


To bring it back on topic, I've come up with a few build guides, one for the classic traditional BtS "specialist economy" and one for a new emphasis on citizens. This is purely theory-crafting; I haven't tested any in play, so take them with multiple grains of salt. Anyone with more experience should feel free to rewrite them. (Only the first one is posted for now.)

Classic Specialist Economy

This strategy emphasizes producing as much of the empire's commerce yields (gold, science, culture, and espionage) as possible by employing as many specialists (merchants, scientists, artists, and spies) as possible. Traits are selected to maximize the yields from these specialists. Unlike the builds emphasizing slaves and citizens, this build tries to maximize "professional" specialists, those normally limited by buildings. Therefore, Caste System and other civics providing unlimited "professional" specialists will be important, and Great Person production will be strong. Your land should be improved with mostly farms, producing food to support all the population working as specialists in the cities, and mines/workshops for production. Production and military boosts from traits are sparse. I think this strategy can be adjusted to work well with both wide two-radius city placement or tall three-radius placement.

Traits to Choose Summary
  • Focus Traits (see explanation)
    • Scientific I - III
    • Financial I - III
    • Creative I - III
    • Deceiver I - III
    • Philosophical I
  • High Value Traits
    • Philosophical III
    • Naturalist II - III
    • Philosophical I - II
  • Good Traits
    • Organized I - III
    • Glorious I
  • Good Negative Traits
    • Excessive I - III
    • Minimalist I
  • Other Negative Traits
    • Meek
  • Managing Properties
    • Progressive I-III
    • Lawful I
    • Medical I - III
    • Naturalist I - III
    • Humanitarian I - III
Traits to Avoid Summary
  • Positive Traits to Avoid
    • Expansive I
    • Charismatic I
    • Prolific I
    • Expansive I - III
  • Negative Traits to Avoid
    • Populist I - III
    • Naive I - III
    • Greedy I - III
    • Traditional I - III
    • Unrefined I - III
Focus Traits: These traits offer +1 yield for all specialists and an additional +1 to their specific type. That double-tapped +2 boost is their strongest feature, but obviously a pop working as one specialist can't simultaneously work as another type. Therefore, you probably shouldn't take them all but instead choose maybe two to three benefiting the specialists you expect to use the most. Everyone needs science, so you can't really go wrong with Scientific. Larger, wider empires will probably come with more expenses and thereby more merchants, so Financial might be a good pick. Creative might be better for taller nations, both to help unlock the third radius and also because (from a quick glance) culture seems to scale better per city than science. At the end of the day, however, you'll need some of everything, and working specialists other than your trump will be unavoidable. Likewise, if you have extra trait picks, spreading out across these can't hurt.

I threw in Deceiver because it acts like the others for spies and espionage points. However, there are other traits available for a strong espionage-focused build.

Philosophical I also provides +1 to all and a double-tap to engineers, but its boosts commerce and engineers slightly clashes with this strategy. You want Philosophical traits for other more important reasons.

High Value Traits: Although these trait aren't musts, they're pretty close to it. They're just too good.

Philosophical III is superb for maximizing specialists' output, granting +1 of the appropriate yield to all of the "professional" specialists. The other levels of Philosophical are also very strong, so building up to III is no waste: All levels provide +1 commerce per specialist and a heavy boost to Great Person points. There are also free specialists per Wonder: National Wonders for the first level, World for the second and Projects for the third. Although the extra commerce clashes with Excessive and Naturalist, Philosophical's other benefits are strong enough to ignore it.

Special thanks to @Esfera for pointing out Naturalist
Naturalists II and II provide +1 food per specialist, which is huge. Each pop consumes 4 food (does it change per era?), but if they also provide 2 food working as a specialist then their net consumption is reduced to 2 food each. That effectively doubles the number of specialists each farm can support, which means double the yields, and that doesn't even include potential food modifiers. Naturalist lets your cities grow much higher than without, limited only by the adverse effects of population which is discussed below.

Good Traits: Each level of Organized provides +1 production per specialist, a handy boost to a potentially production-starved build. It also enjoys significantly reduced city maintenance costs, ideal for a wide empire. Be aware, though, that it nerfs Artist-type specialists, so it may not be best used with Creative.

Although not as strong as Philosophical, Glorious provides a hefty 25% modifier to GPP. With all the Great People you'll be producing, you might find yourself using Golden Ages more, which are much longer and more useful under a Glorious leader. Unfortunately, it also comes with -1 free specialist per city. You'll have to decide if the trade-off is worth it. Having more cities benefit more from the improved Golden Age, but hurt more from the lost specialists.

Good Negative Traits: The specialist economy is all about producing national yields directly, rather than converting commerce into whatever the empire needs. Producing very little commerce to begin with, the -5% commerce penalty that accompanies Excessive doesn't hurt too much. Likewise, with few cottages/towns, there will be few high-commerce tiles subject to the -1 penalty. These are Excessive primary penalties; there's not much else. In fact, Excessive has a strong reduction to maintenance costs from number of cities, and ideal choice when settling wide.

Minimalist I comes with a significant positive: +1 science per Scientist, although the food and production maluses will take their toll. Be wary of the significant increase to city maintenance costs, both from distance and quantity. This could be a good pick for tall, compact nations with low initial city maintenance, as well as Scientific leaders.

Other Negative Traits: Meek comes with a small boost to Great Person points, which might be handy, and reduced crime. However, military units will be more expensive and taking cities will be harder. Like Minimalist, city maintenance will be much more expensive. Potentially good for small, tall nations, but I'm not sure the small boost compensates for it.

Managing Properties: The big disadvantage of the specialist economy is needing twice as much population to get the same yield as a good town/suburb (although the silver lining in having high populations is the improved trade routes and free unit support costs). As mentioned, the Naturalist traits can reduce this ratio, but that usually results in even higher populations to get even more yields. Cities will quickly reach the limits of what happiness, health, crime and disease will allow, so choosing traits to help handle these can be a good idea. Crowding cities closer together can mitigate high populations, as cities will reach their food limit sooner, but that will bring higher maintenance costs.

Lawful I provides the best passive reduction to crime, and a convenient +1 gold boost to merchants. However, it does not boost investigators. This might be a good choice if you're already using many merchants, such as in a wide empire under a Financial leader. The extra gold can cover the costs of more law enforcement and healthcare units, should you need them, instead of assigning investigators and lawyers.

The Medical traits have the best passive disease prevention, along with significant boosts to the doctor specialist: +2 yields at I, +3 at II, and +2 at III. Doctors will enjoy the benefits all specialists get from the traits above, so Medical could be a good pick for the largest cities employing many doctors. However, all the disease reduction might be overkill, and you may not end up using too many doctor specialists. Extra healthcare units should be disbanded.

The Progressive traits benefits crime, disease, and education, and is, I believe, the strongest pick for this build. Although half as effective as Lawful or Medical, it affects both property types and also provides the same free specialists found in Philosophical: from National Wonders at I, then World Wonders and Projects at II. Progressive II and III also provide a nice GPP bonus, and small improvements to population growth rate. On the downside, they bring significant wartime disadvantages to a build admittedly already weak in military, and the largest penalty for sacrificing population.

Humanitarian is an option. It comes with a small boost to GPP and a free promotion to healthcare units. However, it has the weakest properties reduction, half as effective as Progressive and a quarter of Lawful/Medical. It's primary benefit is the extra culture on citizens a slaves, better suited for a "mundane" specialist build.

Naturalist is best for combating pollution. Its best benefit has already been discussed, so if you run into pollution problems, go ahead and pick this one.

Civics: Caste System is a must in the early game, but also look for others that provide unlimited specialist slots, such as Egalitarian and Pacifism. If you find your cities with enough slots from buildings, you can try switching Caste System out for Marxist, for the free specialist or maybe Feudal for its farm boost. Bio Caste is also an attractive option, with +1 gold per specialist, but it cripples GP production.

Civics can't follow a build too strictly; choose them for what you need. But keep an eye out for those which boost specialists' output, such as Democracy, Technocracy, Gestalt Mind, Confederacy, Guilds, Serfdom, and Engineered, those which provide free specialists, such as Meritocracy, Marxist, Specialized, and Apprenticeship, those which boost farms, such as Confederacy, Feudal, Corporate-Owned and State-Owned, and those which boost Great Person points.
 
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I feel the value of Great People has dulled from its place in vanilla BtS, not because GP have become weaker but simply because everything else has become stronger. They're still good, but not as great. The automatic response would be to make GP stronger, but by adding GPP to tiles you seem to be taking a different approach, making GP more frequent. I'm excited to see how it goes. More GP has the added advantage of making the wide variety of new GP types more accessible.
I'm thinking of new ways to get Great Farmers and Great Prospectors and Great Lumberjacks and so on in all that.

Classic Specialist Economy

This strategy emphasizes producing as much of the empire's commerce yields (gold, science, culture, and espionage) as possible by employing as many specialists (merchants, scientists, artists, and spies) as possible. Traits are selected to maximize the yields from these specialists. Unlike the builds emphasizing slaves and citizens, this build tries to maximize "professional" specialists, those normally limited by buildings. Therefore, Caste System and other civics providing unlimited "professional" specialists will be important, and Great Person production will be strong. Your land should be improved with mostly farms, producing food to support all the population working as specialists in the cities, and mines/workshops for production. Production and military boosts from traits are sparse. I think this strategy can be adjusted to work well with both wide two-radius city placement or tall three-radius placement.

Traits to Choose Summary
  • Focus Traits (see explanation)
    • Scientific I - III
    • Financial I - III
    • Creative I - III
    • Deceiver I - III
    • Philosophical I
  • High Value Traits
    • Philosophical III
    • Naturalist II - III
    • Philosophical I - II
  • Good Traits
    • Organized I - III
    • Glorious I
  • Good Negative Traits
    • Excessive I - III
    • Minimalist I
  • Other Negative Traits
    • Meek
  • Managing Properties
    • Progressive I-III
    • Lawful I
    • Medical I - III
    • Naturalist I - III
    • Humanitarian I - III
Traits to Avoid Summary
  • Positive Traits to Avoid
    • Expansive I
    • Charismatic I
    • Prolific I
    • Expansive I - III
  • Negative Traits to Avoid
    • Populist I - III
    • Naive I - III
    • Greedy I - III
    • Traditional I - III
    • Unrefined I - III
Focus Traits: These traits offer +1 yield for all specialists and an additional +1 to their specific type. That double-tapped +2 boost is their strongest feature, but obviously a pop working as one specialist can't simultaneously work as another type. Therefore, you probably shouldn't take them all but instead choose maybe two to three benefiting the specialists you expect to use the most. Everyone needs science, so you can't really go wrong with Scientific. Larger, wider empires will probably come with more expenses and thereby more merchants, so Financial might be a good pick. Creative might be better for taller nations, both to help unlock the third radius and also because (from a quick glance) culture seems to scale better per city than science. At the end of the day, however, you'll need some of everything, and working specialists other than your trump will be unavoidable. Likewise, if you have extra trait picks, spreading out across these can't hurt.

I threw in Deceiver because it acts like the others for spies and espionage points. However, there are other traits available for a strong espionage-focused build.

Philosophical I also provides +1 to all and a double-tap to engineers, but its boosts commerce and engineers slightly clashes with this strategy. You want Philosophical traits for other more important reasons.

High Value Traits: Although these trait aren't musts, they're pretty close to it. They're just too good.

Philosophical III is superb for maximizing specialists' output, granting +1 of the appropriate yield to all of the "professional" specialists. The other levels of Philosophical are also very strong, so building up to III is no waste: All levels provide +1 commerce per specialist and a heavy boost to Great Person points. There are also free specialists per Wonder: National Wonders for the first level, World for the second and Projects for the third. Although the extra commerce clashes with Excessive and Naturalist, Philosophical's other benefits are strong enough to ignore it.

Special thanks to @Esfera for pointing out Naturalist
Naturalists II and II provide +1 food per specialist, which is huge. Each pop consumes 4 food (does it change per era?), but if they also provide 2 food working as a specialist then their net consumption is reduced to 2 food each. That effectively doubles the number of specialists each farm can support, which means double the yields, and that doesn't even include potential food modifiers. Naturalist lets your cities grow much higher than without, limited only by the adverse effects of population which is discussed below.

Good Traits: Each level of Organized provides +1 production per specialist, a handy boost to a potentially production-starved build. It also enjoys significantly reduced city maintenance costs, ideal for a wide empire. Be aware, though, that it nerfs Artist-type specialists, so it may not be best used with Creative.

Although not as strong as Philosophical, Glorious provides a hefty 25% modifier to GPP. With all the Great People you'll be producing, you might find yourself using Golden Ages more, which are much longer and more useful under a Glorious leader. Unfortunately, it also comes with -1 free specialist per city. You'll have to decide if the trade-off is worth it. Having more cities benefit more from the improved Golden Age, but hurt more from the lost specialists.

Good Negative Traits: The specialist economy is all about producing national yields directly, rather than converting commerce into whatever the empire needs. Producing very little commerce to begin with, the -5% commerce penalty that accompanies Excessive doesn't hurt too much. Likewise, with few cottages/towns, there will be few high-commerce tiles subject to the -1 penalty. These are Excessive primary penalties; there's not much else. In fact, Excessive has a strong reduction to maintenance costs from number of cities, and ideal choice when settling wide.

Minimalist I comes with a significant positive: +1 science per Scientist, although the food and production maluses will take their toll. Be wary of the significant increase to city maintenance costs, both from distance and quantity. This could be a good pick for tall, compact nations with low initial city maintenance, as well as Scientific leaders.

Other Negative Traits: Meek comes with a small boost to Great Person points, which might be handy, and reduced crime. However, military units will be more expensive and taking cities will be harder. Like Minimalist, city maintenance will be much more expensive. Potentially good for small, tall nations, but I'm not sure the small boost compensates for it.

Managing Properties: The big disadvantage of the specialist economy is needing twice as much population to get the same yield as a good town/suburb (although the silver lining in having high populations is the improved trade routes and free unit support costs). As mentioned, the Naturalist traits can reduce this ratio, but that usually results in even higher populations to get even more yields. Cities will quickly reach the limits of what happiness, health, crime and disease will allow, so choosing traits to help handle these can be a good idea. Crowding cities closer together can mitigate high populations, as cities will reach their food limit sooner, but that will bring higher maintenance costs.

Lawful I provides the best passive reduction to crime, and a convenient +1 gold boost to merchants. However, it does not boost investigators. This might be a good choice if you're already using many merchants, such as in a wide empire under a Financial leader. The extra gold can cover the costs of more law enforcement and healthcare units, should you need them, instead of assigning investigators and lawyers.

The Medical traits have the best passive disease prevention, along with significant boosts to the doctor specialist: +2 yields at I, +3 at II, and +2 at III. Doctors will enjoy the benefits all specialists get from the traits above, so Medical could be a good pick for the largest cities employing many doctors. However, all the disease reduction might be overkill, and you may not end up using too many doctor specialists. Extra healthcare units should be disbanded.

The Progressive traits benefits crime, disease, and education, and is, I believe, the strongest pick for this build. Although half as effective as Lawful or Medical, it affects both property types and also provides the same free specialists found in Philosophical: from National Wonders at I, then World Wonders and Projects at II. Progressive II and III also provide a nice GPP bonus, and small improvements to population growth rate. On the downside, they bring significant wartime disadvantages to a build admittedly already weak in military, and the largest penalty for sacrificing population.

Humanitarian is an option. It comes with a small boost to GPP and a free promotion to healthcare units. However, it has the weakest properties reduction, half as effective as Progressive and a quarter of Lawful/Medical. It's primary benefit is the extra culture on citizens a slaves, better suited for a "mundane" specialist build.

Civics: Caste System is a must in the early game, but also look for others that provide unlimited specialist slots, such as Egalitarian and Pacifism. If you find your cities with enough slots from buildings, you can try switching Caste System out for Marxist, for the free specialist or maybe Feudal for its farm boost. Bio Caste is also an attractive option, with +1 gold per specialist, but it cripples GP production.

Civics can't follow a build too strictly; choose them for what you need. But keep an eye out for those which boost specialists' output, such as Democracy, Technocracy, Gestalt Mind, Confederacy, Guilds, Serfdom, and Engineered, those which provide free specialists, such as Meritocracy, Marxist, Specialized, and Apprenticeship, those which boost farms, such as Confederacy, Feudal, Corporate-Owned and State-Owned, and those which boost Great Person points.
This is an EXCELLENT strategic breakdown! Well done! I'll be reposting this where I'm tracking good build concepts.
 
I know it's been said before but Priests are OP with custom traits, even without the golden ages

1:food: -1:hammers: humanist
1:science: naturalist 1
1:food: naturalist 2
1:food:, :science:, :culture: spiritualist 1
1:commerce:, :gold:, :espionage: spiritualist 2
1:food:, :culture:, :espionage: spiritualist 3

4:food: 1:commerce: 2:espionage: 2:science: 2:culture: 1:gold: per specialist, with jewish and hellenic giving even more :hammers: bonuses through wonders. You can do unlimited priests with state church or theocracy.
Though it's unlikely you'll get all of those traits, just by specializing 3 traits into spiritualist and 1 into naturalist you can have super citizens that provide a bonus to everything.

I've been using this strategy almost exclusively for the past year and, while I don't think I'm particularly good enough at Civ to say it's good, it makes for a very enjoyable and comfy game. You're able to make a very tall nation with it because you aren't reliant on tile yields. I don't recommend doing this with divine prophets on unless you want an extremely unbalanced game. Spiritual + divine prophets is a bit much. I turned it on for my most recent game and I'm currently at a 238-turn golden age in 430 BC and my score is 6x the second highest on immortal difficulty and am about to enter the renaissance era. I usually try to pack as many cities into an area as I can; city radius be damned. Try it out if you want a dead simple strategy of just setting all your pops to priest specialists and beelining for priest bonuses (Jewish - gold and prime timber req, Hellenic, a few other wonders). I usually start with Scientific I because you'll have enough culture to get the other bonuses by the time you unlock tier 2 traits and it's not worth using priests until you have the Jewish wonder at the very least. It's power curve is definitely in the mid game.
 
I've been using this strategy almost exclusively for the past year and, while I don't think I'm particularly good enough at Civ to say it's good, it makes for a very enjoyable and comfy game. You're able to make a very tall nation with it because you aren't reliant on tile yields. I don't recommend doing this with divine prophets on unless you want an extremely unbalanced game. Spiritual + divine prophets is a bit much. I turned it on for my most recent game and I'm currently at a 238-turn golden age in 430 BC and my score is 6x the second highest on immortal difficulty and am about to enter the renaissance era. I usually try to pack as many cities into an area as I can; city radius be damned. Try it out if you want a dead simple strategy of just setting all your pops to priest specialists and beelining for priest bonuses (Jewish - gold and prime timber req, Hellenic, a few other wonders). I usually start with Scientific I because you'll have enough culture to get the other bonuses by the time you unlock tier 2 traits and it's not worth using priests until you have the Jewish wonder at the very least. It's power curve is definitely in the mid game.
Sounds like I really need to do those long ago considered adjustments that would make it possible to turn getting a free prophet off on Divine Prophets.
 
Another semi-broken combo I found was what I like to call "farmer nobles"
Agricultural 1
Agricultural 2
Agricultural 3
Naturalist 1
Naturalist 2
Naturalist 3

With those, Nobles produce 5 base food, the most food a specialist can produce in the game. The pop itself, if bolstered with scientific 1 and philosophical 1, can be a bit more valuable, but on the whole it's still beat out by priests by a pretty big margin due to the perpetual golden ages that kick up around ancient/classic. Nobles, with associated wonders and phil+sci, come out to 5:food:2:hammers:1:commerce:2:gold:1:science:, which isn't bad at all.
 
Another semi-broken combo I found was what I like to call "farmer nobles"
Agricultural 1
Agricultural 2
Agricultural 3
Naturalist 1
Naturalist 2
Naturalist 3

With those, Nobles produce 5 base food, the most food a specialist can produce in the game. The pop itself, if bolstered with scientific 1 and philosophical 1, can be a bit more valuable, but on the whole it's still beat out by priests by a pretty big margin due to the perpetual golden ages that kick up around ancient/classic. Nobles, with associated wonders and phil+sci, come out to 5:food:2:hammers:1:commerce:2:gold:1:science:, which isn't bad at all.
Figured there was a good Noble focused route or two.
 
Another semi-broken combo I found was what I like to call "farmer nobles"
Agricultural 1
Agricultural 2
Agricultural 3
Naturalist 1
Naturalist 2
Naturalist 3

With those, Nobles produce 5 base food, the most food a specialist can produce in the game. The pop itself, if bolstered with scientific 1 and philosophical 1, can be a bit more valuable, but on the whole it's still beat out by priests by a pretty big margin due to the perpetual golden ages that kick up around ancient/classic. Nobles, with associated wonders and phil+sci, come out to 5:food:2:hammers:1:commerce:2:gold:1:science:, which isn't bad at all.

Why not "Gentleman farmers"?
 
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not sure if anyone needs...
"map" or rival corps
anyone who rival anyone connected to him with line

edit: best to open image in new page

edit2: best corp combo as for me for svn 11392 (the one i play right now)
mobby meats
sid sushi
east west traders
mallwart
red curtains
and either civilised jevelers + creative constructions or mining inc
 
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Thunderbird I'm interested in why you didn't make some more modifiers to diplomatic relations between leaders through their chosen traits? It would mean you choose to have good relations with who you want to as another layer of complexity.
Right now your relations with other cIvs are pretty much the same through the whole beginning of the game.
(Otherwise I could edit the XLM file myself and make a little submod)
 
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Thunderbird I'm interested in why you didn't make some more modifiers to diplomatic relations between leaders through their chosen traits? It would mean you choose to have good relations with who you want to as another layer of complexity.
Right now your relations with other cIvs are pretty much the same through the whole beginning of the game.
(Otherwise I could edit the XLM file myself and make a little submod)
It didn't come up as an idea for a new tag at the time. It's a good idea but would require programming to implement. Plus, it's a little difficult to generalize such modifiers into a +/- system of costing value. It wouldn't necessarily NEED to interact with the basic costing factors if it could be internally balanced as something of a weblike structure, which would be pretty cool. But yeah, that really hadn't been floated as a concept to consider nor did I come up with it myself. One could do a new trait tag: DiploAdjtoTrait where it lists the traittype (or better yet have it list a trait by promotionline so you can really just apply the modifier to a leader with any level of that trait and perhaps even make it work so that it multiplies that adjustment by the degree or 'tier' of the trait set), and then create an integer for the adjustment (anything more than + or -1 might be a bit strong perhaps but I can see testing as high as a couple points per level in a trait on the target leader.)

Anyhow, one could make a whole option out of that kind of thing that requires complex traits.

One could also have some traits influenced by the civics that have been adopted by other civs.

Neat ideas. Lots of work.
 
It didn't come up as an idea for a new tag at the time. It's a good idea but would require programming to implement. Plus, it's a little difficult to generalize such modifiers into a +/- system of costing value. It wouldn't necessarily NEED to interact with the basic costing factors if it could be internally balanced as something of a weblike structure, which would be pretty cool. But yeah, that really hadn't been floated as a concept to consider nor did I come up with it myself. One could do a new trait tag: DiploAdjtoTrait where it lists the traittype (or better yet have it list a trait by promotionline so you can really just apply the modifier to a leader with any level of that trait and perhaps even make it work so that it multiplies that adjustment by the degree or 'tier' of the trait set), and then create an integer for the adjustment (anything more than + or -1 might be a bit strong perhaps but I can see testing as high as a couple points per level in a trait on the target leader.)

Anyhow, one could make a whole option out of that kind of thing that requires complex traits.

One could also have some traits influenced by the civics that have been adopted by other civs.

Neat ideas. Lots of work.

I don't have any experience with XML, but isn't the tag already present? Like "Cruel II" has a "-1 Diplomatic penalty(But reverses to a bonus for leaders with the same trait)". How does that work? I can see in the "C2C_TB_CIV4TraitInfos.xml" file that the only thing that is present is "Attitudemodifier: -1", so I don't understand how that is reverted to a plus for leaders that also have the "Cruel trait".
But yes I think that I want to make the sum of diplomatic modifiers the same for all positive traits and all negative traits respectively to balance it, where the negative traits can really screw up relations with other leaders with conflicting traits.



Edit: Oh I get why you misunderstood me. I meant more "modifiers" as having diplomatic penalty/improvement to a wider arrays of leader traits. Like having "Scientific" leaders have diplomatic improvement to other "Scientific" leaders (like 2+) and +1 to "Philosophical" etc.
 
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The aspect of the -1 diplomatic penalty on a trait is hardcoded to reverse itself and become a positive feature when dealing with those of the same exact trait. It's not a modifiable setting that can adjust to how any defined trait would view that leader with this tag. It's simply 'negative to all except those who are the same trait where it becomes reversed to a positive.' So no, it's not a currently possible thing to get so granular with further adjustments without a new tag.
 
That might be necessary at some point. I can somewhat understand this with traits like "cruel", or with quite a few positive traits, but megalomaniacs should not like each other better than other people. If anything, they would be each other's worst enemies.
 
The aspect of the -1 diplomatic penalty on a trait is hardcoded to reverse itself and become a positive feature when dealing with those of the same exact trait. It's not a modifiable setting that can adjust to how any defined trait would view that leader with this tag. It's simply 'negative to all except those who are the same trait where it becomes reversed to a positive.' So no, it's not a currently possible thing to get so granular with further adjustments without a new tag.

I might look at it at some point, could be cool to implement.

That might be necessary at some point. I can somewhat understand this with traits like "cruel", or with quite a few positive traits, but megalomaniacs should not like each other better than other people. If anything, they would be each other's worst enemies.

As long as they don't have conflicts of interest, I think these personalities could admire each other at a distance. It could be cool to have a general + diplomatic modifier, but have a much bigger border friction penalty etc. The same thing with "Expansive or Imperialist". In a world with a common enemy those leaders can admire and work together, but they can quickly become enemies otherwise.
 
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