Politicians really don't like being confronted with the consequences of their actions

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from http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/08/politics/08crawford.html
CRAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 7 - President Bush draws antiwar protesters just about wherever he goes, but few generate the kind of attention that Cindy Sheehan has since she drove down the winding road toward his ranch here this weekend and sought to tell him face to face that he must pull all Americans troops out of Iraq now.

Ms. Sheehan's son, Casey, was killed last year in Iraq, after which she became an antiwar activist. She says she and her family met with the president two months later at Fort Lewis in Washington State.

But when she was blocked by the police a few miles from Mr. Bush's 1,600-acre spread on Saturday, the 48-year-old Ms. Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif., was transformed into a news media phenomenon, the new face of opposition to the Iraq conflict at a moment when public opinion is in flux and the politics of the war have grown more complicated for the president and the Republican Party.

Ms. Sheehan has vowed to camp out on the spot until Mr. Bush agrees to meet with her, even if it means spending all of August under a broiling sun by the dusty road. Early on Sunday afternoon, 25 hours after she was turned back as she approached Mr. Bush's ranch, Prairie Chapel, Ms. Sheehan stood red-faced from the heat at the makeshift campsite that she says will be her home until the president relents or leaves to go back to Washington. A reporter from The Associated Press had just finished interviewing her. CBS was taping a segment on her. She had already appeared on CNN, and was scheduled to appear live on ABC on Monday morning. Reporters from across the country were calling her cellphone.

"It's just snowballed," Ms. Sheehan said beside a small stand of trees and a patch of shade that contained a sleeping bag, some candles, a jar of nuts and a few other supplies. "We have opened up a debate in the country."

Seeking to head off exactly the situation that now seems to be unfolding, the administration sent two senior officials out from the ranch on Saturday afternoon to meet with her. But Ms. Sheehan said after talking to the officials - Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, and Joe Hagin, a deputy White House chief of staff - that she would not back down in her demand to see the president.

Her success in drawing so much attention to her message - and leaving the White House in a face-off with an opponent who had to be treated very gently even as she aggressively attacked the president and his policies - seemed to stem from the confluence of several forces.

The deaths last week of 20 Marines from a single battalion has focused public attention on the unremitting pace of casualties in Iraq, providing her an opening to deliver her message that no more lives should be given to the war. At the same time, polls that show falling approval for Mr. Bush's handling of the war have left him open to challenge in a way that he was not when the nation appeared to be more strongly behind him.

It did not hurt her cause that she staged her protest, which she said was more or less spontaneous, at the doorstep of the White House press corps, which spends each August in Crawford with little to do, minimal access to Mr. Bush and his aides, and an eagerness for any new story.

As the mother of an Army specialist who was killed at age 24 in the Sadr City section of Baghdad on April 4, 2004, Ms. Sheehan's story is certainly compelling. She is also articulate, aggressive in delivering her message and has information that most White House reporters have not heard before: how Mr. Bush handles himself when he meets behind closed doors with the families of soldiers killed in Iraq.

The White House has released few details of such sessions, which Mr. Bush holds regularly as he travels the country, but generally portrays them as emotional and an opportunity for the president to share the grief of the families. In Ms. Sheehan's telling, though, Mr. Bush did not know her son's name when she and her family met with him in June 2004 at Fort Lewis. Mr. Bush, she said, acted as if he were at a party and behaved disrespectfully toward her by referring to her as "Mom" throughout the meeting.

By Ms. Sheehan's account, Mr. Bush said to her that he could not imagine losing a loved one like an aunt or uncle or cousin. Ms. Sheehan said she broke in and told Mr. Bush that Casey was her son, and that she thought he could imagine what it would be like since he has two daughters and that he should think about what it would be like sending them off to war.

"I said, 'Trust me, you don't want to go there'," Ms. Sheehan said, recounting her exchange with the president. "He said, 'You're right, I don't.' I said, 'Well, thanks for putting me there.' "

Asked about Ms. Sheehan's statements, Trent D. Duffy, a spokesman for the White House, said Sunday: "The president knows one of his most important responsibilities is to comfort the families of the fallen. That is why he has personally met with and grieved with hundreds of families who have lost a loved one who made the ultimate sacrifice. We can only imagine how painful and difficult it must be for a mother to lose her son. Our hearts and prayers are always with the moms and dads and spouses and children of those who have fallen."

It is not clear how the White House will handle Ms. Sheehan. Mr. Bush usually comes and goes from the ranch by helicopter, but he might have to drive by her on Friday, when he is scheduled to attend a Republican fund-raiser at a ranch just down the road from where Ms. Sheehan is camped out. She will no doubt get another wave of publicity on Thursday, when Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice join Mr. Bush at the ranch to discuss the war.

Politicians really don't like being confronted witht heir consequences of their actions, do they? More than that, they don't like encountering people who disagree with them. Most of the time, politicos can avoid either group very easily, but here is a woman who embodies both groups and who refuses to be ignored.

from http://www.democrats.com/node/5602
On Day 1 of Cindy Sheehan's protest, Chicken**** George refused to meet with her. Instead, he sent local sheriffs out to force her to walk in a ditch along the road, treating her like a dog rather than the mother of a soldier who died fighting Bush's "noble" war. (Read the excellent live dispatches from Nathan Diebenow of the Lone Star Iconoclast.)

Eventually, Bush sent out two of his top liars, National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley and deputy White House chief of staff Joe Hagin. Here is Cindy's report to Celeste Zappala, co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace:

They told Cindy, George Bush really believed there were weapons of mass destruction, Sadam was a threat, that the war in Iraq is making America safer. We are fighting in Iraq so they we don't have to fight terrorists here, and George Bush sincerely cares about the loss of the soldiers and their families. Cindy had a twenty five minute discussion, as Cindy refuted these tired arguments, and reminded the men that she had met Bush last June and she had felt disrespected and belittled. She said to them 'You are intelligent men, how can you believe what you are saying?'

Apparently Cindy's powerful rebuttal scared the crap out of the White House, because they quickly switched from sweet-talking lies to death threats. Here is Cindy's later report to AfterDowningStreet.org:

Cindy Sheehan called After Downing Street moments ago at 10 p.m. ET to report that the Secret Service is trying to intimidate her and members of Gold Star Families for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against the War, and Veterans for Peace into leaving their protest near President Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch. This morning Cindy led dozens of protesters as close as they could get to the ranch; they were stopped by local police about five miles away. Cindy and others plan to stay there throughout Bush's five-week August vacation until he agrees to meet with her and other family members of soldiers killed in Iraq and answer their questions about the war. Throughout the afternoon and evening, however, the Secret Service has been telling protesters that if they stay there they may be hit by Secret Service vehicles. Cindy says, "They've told us this at least ten times. There isn't much room between the side of the road and the fence, and they go zooming by far over the speed limit." Cindy reports the Secret Service already ran a mother and her six year-old off the road. She believes the Secret Service's actions are a clear attempt to coerce her and the other protesters into leaving. Cindy and others are asking to meet with the Secret Service and local police to ensure the safety of everyone involved. In the meantime, she asks that anyone who can contact the media to alert them to the situation. If you are able to do this, media contact information can be found here. Please politely let them know what's been happening with the Secret Service, and encourage them to continue covering Cindy's efforts to meet with President Bush.

I would say that I am reminded of Phoney Blair's refusal to meet with Rose Gentle, mother of a 19 year-old Black Watch soldier (who was due to get married) killed near Baghdad. I would say that, but MI5 never ran protestors off the road with vehicles.

from http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/08/con05279.html

For the last couple of days I have been hearing that Cindy Sheehan will be considered a threat to national security if she does not leave her post by Thursday. At this point, it’s important to ask: why Thursday? Why is Cindy not a threat today or tomorrow? Why wasn't she considered a threat to national security Saturday when we first marched out to the ranch? What is the difference between Thursday and now?

Let me tell you what the difference is. Thursday Condy Rice and Rummy will be arriving at King George's castle. Sometime either Thursday or Friday King George is going to some kind of fundraiser at the ranch of a local crony. My sources tell me that the only way for King George to get to that ranch from his castle is to drive by Cindy and her supporters. That's right, fellow peasants; King George would have to actually see Cindy.

But that's not the real story. The real story is that the media will be there to record absolutely every movement, every event that happens when King George's carriage goes by. King George has no plans to stop, no plans to talk to Cindy. The media would be there to report and videotape King George driving right on by the throng of peasants and the mother of a fallen hero, snubbing his nose at them as he goes his merry way to the party.

This would not be good for King George in the eyes of his public. In fact, it would be very, very bad.

King George cannot be bothered by the likes of Cindy and the other families of fallen heroes who disagree with him. He has their blood on his hands, but he doesn't care about them.

This kind of reminds me of all the phony, staged "town hall" meetings King George has attended. The audiences are filled with supporters with pre-written questions for the King. It's interesting that none of the audience members have ever disagreed with the King.

The King's throne is crumbling underneath him and he doesn’t even know it.

Amy Branham
Gold Star Families for Peace
Mother of Sgt. Jeremy R. Smith

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION

I am reminded off a fellow who sat outside the House of Commons for 4 years protesting against the Iraq War. The MPs got so upset at having to pass by him every day that they've now passed a law which bans protest within a 1-mile radius of Parliament Square. That is not democracy - that is an abuse of the power that we vest in our representatives.

Again, we come full circle: Bush would actually have to see a consequence of his policies and someone who disagrees with him. Heaven forbid, eh?

Finally, here is a rather excellent op-ed piece I found:

It's become more and more apparent that Bush isn't just arrogantly ignoring Cindy- he's actually afraid of her- the buzz is that Bush has declared that Cindy will constitute "a threat to national security", if she doesn't leave, by thursday. A middle-aged mom, sitting in a ditch by the side of the road, is such an affront to Bush, that he's willing to pull out the Patriot Act to toss her in the pokey.

I could wax long and hard about this, but I'll sum it up in four words: Bush is a COWARD.

Yeah- it's fun playing dress-up on an aircraft carrier and sending thousands of kids off to die so your friends can make a few extra billion, but when it comes to standing face-to-face with one bereaved mother, Bush is nowhere to be seen.
 
Nice job zulu, pretty much says it all.
 
I think, even for political gain, it would be good to meet with this mother. It would help diffuse this issue a little, plus political operatives could say "Hey, he a big man to go out there and do that" rather than comment on it from a podium away from her position.
 
very interesting.

I actually find this kind of sad.
 
the worst thing is that they had several people on tape narrating how Bush stepped into a room where an ceremony in honor fo a fallen solider was to be held and asked 'whom are we honoring here today?'

he didn't even bother to check the guys NAME before he met the parents :eek: How callous can one be?
 
Well what did you expect? That bush would face his critics? HA!
 
How come he has so much more vacation than any other professional? He does not do a fat lot when he is a work either. This guy must have the simplest job on the planet.
 
All politicians should be forced to let´s say work several hours per week in homeless shelters, visit retirement homes, visit war invalids, handicaped people, ect to make sure they don´t forget about the disadvantaged. It would also teach them to be more humble.
 
He's on vacation until September. I've heard that this Sheehan might go do the same thing outside the White House when he goes back.
 
The Yankee said:
I think, even for political gain, it would be good to meet with this mother. It would help diffuse this issue a little, plus political operatives could say "Hey, he a big man to go out there and do that" rather than comment on it from a podium away from her position.
She would grill him, and his monkey noises would offer no protection.
 
Not if it were a private meeting at the ranch house or whatever his residence is. He'd still come out ahead, I'd bet, if he met with her.
 
It isn't the President's job to pay attention to the homeless, or the retired, or wounded veterans, or handicapped people, or AIDS victims, or lone protesters sitting outside their ranch home.

The President's job is to achieve a workable balance between ALL of the above. You can't spend the nation's entire budget on the homeless, or on AIDS, or on any other one thing. The nation cannot survive that way. The President has to make sure some attention is being paid to ALL of the nation's problems.

A person who demands that ALL American soldiers be called home because of the death of ONE of them, is no different from a person who demands exobitant spending on AIDS because his or her son has it. No different from a person who demands total elimination of greenhouse gases even if it means destroying the economy. And no different from a person who demands more military spending to defend the nation from the Communists. Meet the wishes of any one of these people, and the nation will suffer dearly.

Unfortunately, the necessary balance isn't reached by debating reasonably and coming to an agreement on how much effort should be put into solving each problem. Balance is achieved as the various factions fight each other for a share of the government's attention and the many hands pulling at the rope all cancel each other out.
 
BasketCase said:
It isn't the President's job to pay attention to the homeless, or the retired, or wounded veterans, or handicapped people, or AIDS victims, or lone protesters sitting outside their ranch home.

The President's job is to achieve a workable balance between ALL of the above.


which is why he IGNORES certain groups fully and just basically tells them to get stuffed????????
 
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm
PROTESTING SOLDIER MOM CHANGED STORY ON BUSH
Mon Aug 08 2005 10:11:07 ET

The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who is holding a roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch -- has dramatically changed her account about what happened when she met the commander-in-chief last summer!

Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., who last year praised Bush for bringing her family the "gift of happiness," took to the nation's TV outlets this weekend to declare how Bush "killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."

CINDY 2004

THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:

"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."

CINDY 2005

Sheehan's current comments are a striking departure.

She vowed on Sunday to continue her protest until she can personally ask Bush: "Why did you kill my son?"

In an interview on CNN, she claimed Bush "acted like it was party" when she met him last year.

"It was -- you know, there was a lot of things said. We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity. And we wanted him to look at the pictures of Casey.

"He wouldn't look at the pictures of Casey. He didn't even know Casey's name. He came in the room and the very first thing he said is, 'So who are we honoring here?' He didn't even know Casey's name. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything about Casey. He wouldn't even call him 'him' or 'he.' He called him 'your loved one.'

Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject. And he acted like it was a party.

BLITZER: Like a party? I mean...

SHEEHAN: Yes, he came in very jovial, and like we should be happy that he, our son, died for his misguided policies. He didn't even pretend like somebody...

END

On her current media tour, Sheehan has not been asked to explain her twist on Bush; from praise to damnation!

Why did she change her story?

http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/08/11/20050811_192800_flashcs.htm

Her family says SHUT UP!

FAMILY OF FALLEN SOLDIER PLEADS: PLEASE STOP, CINDY!
Thu Aug 11 2005 12:56:21 ET

The family of American soldier Casey Sheehan, who was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has broken its silence and spoken out against his mother Cindy Sheehan's anti-war vigil against George Bush held outside the president's Crawford, Texas ranch.

The following email was received by the DRUDGE REPORT from Casey's aunt and godmother:

Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish. Thanks Ð Cherie

In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:

The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

Sincerely,

Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.

Developing...
 
How dare that awful woman bother our President when he's on vacation? Over something as trivial as her son's death. Aren't there any laws against grieving for a fallen soldier? She should be ashamed of herself.
 
This story has so much Right-Wing fabrication, it's not even funny. This is a mother of a soldier who died for no reason but oil. George W doesn't have enough courage to stand up to her and explain that. The war is a joke and she knows it and everyone else knows it. Bring our soldiers home!
 
@searcheagle: Do you have a respectable source about her changing her story (I'll believe it, but only when I see a source that I can trust)?
 
fredsavager said:
How dare that awful woman bother our President when he's on vacation? Over something as trivial as her son's death. Aren't there any laws against grieving for a fallen soldier? She should be ashamed of herself.

you can't be serious. Bush shouldn't even be on vacation. even if the president usually takes August off, according to him WE ARE AT WAR. so why is he at a ranch relaxing while we are at war?
 
searcheagle said:
Why did she change her story?
The question you should ask is why did Matt Drudge pick two lines out of the original newspaper story to make Sheehan look bad? The hometown Vacaville, CA paper has taken him to task and reposted the July, 2004 story on their website to set the record straight.
But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."

The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.
So she thought Bush was sincere and showed sympathy. That doesn't mean she's changed her mind about the war, which is what Drudge suggests.
Her family says SHUT UP!
So what? Families sometimes disagree. They're her inlaws and she says they've always held different political views from hers. They're entitled to their opinion just as she is. What they're not entitled to is to question her motives, just as Matt Drudge, Rush Limbaugh, or the other right wing chickenhawks are not entitled to question her motives.
 
BasketCase said:
The President's job is to achieve a workable balance between ALL of the above. You can't spend the nation's entire budget on the homeless, or on AIDS, or on any other one thing. The nation cannot survive that way. The President has to make sure some attention is being paid to ALL of the nation's problems.

A person who demands that ALL American soldiers be called home because of the death of ONE of them, is no different from a person who demands exobitant spending on AIDS because his or her son has it.
From a purely practical perspective you're absolutely right. But if you take into account people's perception of Sheehan's protest and their perception of the war itself (increasingly a negative perception), Bush could score some big points by meeting with this one Gold Star Mother. If he took his mountain bike down the road to her camp, stepped aside with her for about 10 minutes, listened more than he talked, and simply told her he valued her arguments, but had to "agree to disagree", he'd come out looking pretty good and go a long way toward defusing whatever embarrasment he may suffer.

With an issue as emotionally charged as this perception can be more important than facts.
 
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