posters leaving....

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
You seem to think your my lil ego.

One should concern one's self with their own affairs, and not attempt to tell others how they should be doing things.

You will find in life, it makes things smother to let those intrusted to do a job, do that job, instead of always attempting to "change" them.

And as for change, I thought you had, but I wonder about that now.

What's your problems here? You are being totally unreasonable, and this forum is no more my affair than yours as long as you are a poster, not a mod. I was talking to you as a poster, so you might as well see it as your affair: another poster wants to discuss something with you. Answer, or let it be, but do not come talking to me like that. You are no God, either.

I am trusting you to do your job as a mod, but that has nothing at all to do with my post on you and changing that you answered to. Please quit trying to create the impression that I am in any ways trying to undermine you. I have heard that whine from you again and again, and you know very well it isn't true. Do your job right (as you currently are) and I will not critizise you in any way. If I feel you do something wrong, well, we have worked out how I can tell you in private, and then you may listen and either change things or not - your call. I am only a poster here, but I still have to right to say my opinion, about whatever the thread is about, and to you personally about you. No more, but also no less.

Now, back to the beef: All I was saying is that I find it very weird that you say nothing you read here can change you. Nothing.

Also, that you ssem to think some people here want to force you to change. Noone does. Some (and that includes me) want to ague things with you, because they think you are wrong. Well, what is bad about that? You will point things out to others, where you think they are wrong!

What if you happen to hear about a war here first? Will that NOT change you?
Bet you: it will. Perhaps it will change your feeling and opinons.

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

AoA has little to do with me leaving. If he was a supermod and present all the time, he migth have prevented that. But he cannot do that. he isn't God and cannot (whether he wants to ore not) shape this place to confrom my wants

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

I have nothing against you personally, you are aware of it.

However:

What's your problems here? You are being totally unreasonable, and this forum is no more my affair than yours as long as you are a poster, not a mod. I was talking to you as a poster, so you might as well see it as your affair: another poster wants to discuss something with you. Answer, or let it be, but do not come talking to me like that. You are no God, either.

On THIS forum, I am indeed a moderator, YOUR moderator, same as any forum.

As I said, if you wish to leave, do so.

Stay, do so, by all means.

Preach?

Forget that.

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

Now, back to the beef: All I was saying is that I find it very weird that you say nothing you read here can change you. Nothing.

Sounds like a good policy.

We've reached a ****ed up day when people become influenced by people who they don't know, who are never what they seem, and are probably mostly habitual liars.

AoA has little to do with me leaving. If he was a supermod and present all the time, he migth have prevented that. But he cannot do that. he isn't God and cannot (whether he wants to ore not) shape this place to confrom my wants

Oh I see the reason for this post, AoA ISN'T A GOD!!!!! Wow! Your desire to undermine aoa's effects on you is pathetic, considering the posts I've seen elsewhere

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae

On THIS forum, I am indeed a moderator, YOUR moderator, same as any forum.

As I said: either you are a mod, or a poster. If you think you can mix the two - well, we've been there before.

If you post your personal opinion, you cannot be a mod on that (not saying that you cannot mod the thread), as it may differ from site policy. If you are a mod, then you just conform with site policy. I do not think that slight distinction is above your intellectual capabilites.

So when I talk to you as to any other poster, and I insult you, you can, as a mod, ban me. But, you cannot play the mod as long as I follow the rules of the forum; then, you will have to treat me as any poster would treat any poster.

 

[Hitro]

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
Basically, I was usually telling the Schroeder-bashers and Germany-bashers why our government and our people are against the US course. For that, I get flamed, trolled, spammed. That's what sucks!

That's unfortunately true and it also applies to alot of other topics from different perspectives.

The OT somehow has reflected the general change of attitude in the world during the last half year or so. That's the political aspect.

Another thing is, as already mentioned by some people, the change in what is posted in the forum or rather how it is done. Sure new posters are a good thing, but I've so far (I'd like to be corrected here) not seen many new posters with a more tolerant attitude or a least some wit to disguise their antipathy.
I have absolutely no problem with controversial opinions or opinions that are completely different from my own, in fact that's a reason why I come here, but I have a problem with the non-discussing attitude that becomes more and more prevalent ("I am right, you are evil, nanana!")

But hopefully I'm just getting wrong impressions.

Leaving however, doesn't seem to be a reasonable thing to me. With that I don't mean leaving per se, but rather talking about it (like "I'm leaving now forever because you all suck", usually followed by returning a week later). You don't have to give back your citizenship here, you can just leave for some time and come back whenever you like. I know neither Curt nor Killer said it like this, but I've seen people doing it and people complaining about it. I can see that stating it to bring across a point makes some sense, but then maybe bringing across the point itself would be sufficient.

 

[Padma]

Hitro, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. There seems to be a lot more "in your face" type posting these days. "I'm right, and you're wrong! And you're ugly, to boot!"

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

well, Padma, and we all know who set that tone....

could you cloe this sorry thing here?

 

[CurtSibling]

I have decided to return to OT, because SirJethro convinced me that we can make it a cool place.

I believe it always has been, up till the war loomed...

Hitro has the right of it, there is no use in walking away because you hate the place, then coming back a week later...

I always liked the place and people, just the threads were becoming stale...
But seeing a new diverse group of people in OT, I am going to dive back in...

I also suggest the old hands all come back and make it a freaky place like it used to be...

Why leave when we can help make it interesting!

Create a good thread!

Also,
There is no use in falling out with people online, you will never meet them!
To me there is no such thing as an online enemy...

I plan to be a paragon of manners and decorum from now on...Best way to be...

No more to say, really, the OT is what you make it.

AoA and Lefty are there to keep the peace as always, I see no problems in OT if we can get along!

Let's do this thing!

My 2p worth!

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Curt: you're a hopeless optimist! I admire you for that!

 

[anarchywrksbest]

Uh oh, someone has stolen Curts password!!

 

[Toasty]

Originally posted by Procifica


I don't see what right-wing and left-wing has to do with moderating an off-topic forum. I consider myself further left than a typical United States Democrat, yet I'm fully supportive of the war in Iraq, and other "right-wing" topics or ideas. I don't see how politics can dictate how one moderates a forum, or how one posts in a forum.

I'll try to elaborate.

The fact is that Lefty and AoA have opinions, and while they do not necessarily advocate them on the forums (this was a recent change), opinions are part of who a person is, and a part of their behavior.

As I've said, it's their job to weed the OT forums by determining as moderators what is offensive and what is not. It is the nature of the beast. Because it is their job to pick out what is offensive, a big part of their job is gauging just how offensive something is. Because a flame, troll, etc. tied into opposite beliefs is quite often more offensive than one tied into someone's similar beliefs, punishments and such may be harsher for those who present differentiating views than AoA or Lefty. It's nothing intentional, it's just something that happens.

Given this idea and the semi-paralell of several OT poster's political alignment to their support of the moderation, I believe that this is simply a fact and something that is caused by having two moderators with at least somewhat similar beliefs.

As I've said, it's the nature of the beast. As I've also said, I'm content with the system as it stands. I by no means demanding it, but I think more balance of the staff moderation would help the complaints of OT posters.

I hope that I helped make a little more sense to you.

 

[Sanscizo]

I can't believe this debate is still raging on.

I think we've established the mods are not to blame, and Curt is staying anyway so now what's all this fuss about?

Things will change and then things will change again, I don't think there is any reason to continue this debate.

Well, that's my opinion...