Predict-the-Patch

[ejday]

It's not a job, Brad, it's a career.

I think that's what he's aiming for...

 

[wiglaff]

He doesn't care about content of responses, only that people wasted time to write responses. Probably didn't get enough love as a child (which is unfortunate, since his apparent intelligence is bested by the average 9-year-old).

Or, put simply: don't feed the trolls.

I actually was loved as a child and am quite intelligent, especially with respect to 9 year olds (if you want to get into specifics, big boy, I guess we can post credentials / college degrees /etc)

Your second comment about apple hardware is misleading. You do not note that Civ IV is not representative of other games out there, and that many PC users out there, especially with ATI cards had or still have issues running it themselves.

Find me a mac that has hardware superior to that of the following dell laptop currently retailing for $1400:

1.83 Ghz Core Duo
1 GB RAM
256 MB X1400 graphics chip
15.4 inch screen

I swear to god it'll run to $2500. Or somewhere close.

The hardware is an absolute ripoff at Apple. And for all the "Apple is great for graphics" crap I hear, it's remarkable you can't update your cards without paying 2-3x what you would for a PC equivalent.

It's also amusing that you are claiming Civ4-Mac does not have serious playability issues. Come on.

 

[ejday]

I actually was loved as a child and am quite intelligent, especially with respect to 9 year olds (if you want to get into specifics, big boy, I guess we can post credentials / college degrees /etc)

Sorry, but we haven't seen any evidence of your alleged intelligence. Gonna have to give round two to the 9 year olds as well.

Feel free to post your cred, though. I'm sure we'll all be very impressed (though we may think less of your alma mater once we know who to blame).

EDIT: Sorry, I broke the rule. I fed the troll.

 

[Cougarcat]

The hardware is an absolute ripoff at Apple. And for all the "Apple is great for graphics" crap I hear, it's remarkable you can't update your cards without paying 2-3x what you would for a PC equivalent.

You have to look at more than just the specs. Sure, you can probably get an ugly dell that has better specs than a Mac for the same price, but you neglect everything else––the unparalleled user experience, (right down to the gorgeous packaging) the design, backlit keyboards, MagSafe, Mac OS X, iLife, etc. You pay for all of that. All the reasons mac users buy macs.

If you want to just look at specs, the closest mac to that Dell that you mention is a 15.4' MacBook Pro that costs $2100. Not "$2500". It's 2 ghz, and it comes with a superdrive and a Radeon X1600. Macs are not as outrageously expensive as you might think.

And Macs aren't great for graphics because of their graphics cards (which is apple's weak point in their hardware). It's the OS.

 

[wiglaff]

I think XP offers a great user experience. It is a less colorful OS, and admittedly one that is lacking some neat features like Expose or integrated widgets and some cool programs like Garageband. But then again, it is a 2001 operating system ; Vista will correct many of these shortcomings. And I do not think that those features are worth the $600-750 price difference, especially since you must accept the following downsides:

1) severely limited software catalogue
2) severely limited hardware and hardware upgrade options

If apple could find a way to not overcharge you for its operating system (since the hardware just can't be that expensive) then it might be more competitive...especially with Bootcamp.

 

[Macintosh]

I think XP offers a great user experience.

So here is my advice to you: Go out there an buy youself a windows XP PC and be happy! And don't come back to this place as you're just boring.
I have heard all those Mac bashing words 2 years ago, 10 years ago 15 years ago. It's still the same everytime. And guess what: Apple is still alive.

 

[girtholomew]

I couldn't agree more...

When Micrsoft users were young their hearts were open books
they used to say live and let live
But if this utterly unchanging OS world in which they live in
makes them break down and cry...

They come and bash some mac/linux/any other OS ever made users.

So what does it matter to ya
When you gotta a job to do
You gotta do it well
But really, no need to give the other fella hell.

My advice to fanboys on either team.

a) Get out
b) Get laid
c) Build a bridge
d) Get over aforementioned bridge

 

[vilemerchant]

I've got XP but I don't use it, I use Civ 4. Something most mac users won't be doing to an acceptable standard anytime soon :/

 

[AlanH]

Moderator Action: @vilemerchant: First and final warning for spamming and trolling. If you don't have anything useful to contribute to this discussion go somewhere else or risk a forum vacation.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[vilemerchant]

Ok buddy. I'm not entirely sure what you think spamming is, but i'll stay away from your precious mac threads from now on.

 

[wiglaff]

I couldn't agree more...

When Micrsoft users were young their hearts were open books
they used to say live and let live
But if this utterly unchanging OS world in which they live in
makes them break down and cry...

They come and bash some mac/linux/any other OS ever made users.

So what does it matter to ya
When you gotta a job to do
You gotta do it well
But really, no need to give the other fella hell.

My advice to fanboys on either team.

a) Get out
b) Get laid
c) Build a bridge
d) Get over aforementioned bridge

I have to say, that is one of the most nonsensical posts and/or song adaptation I have ever read in my life.

 

[wiglaff]

So here is my advice to you: Go out there an buy youself a windows XP PC and be happy! And don't come back to this place as you're just boring.
I have heard all those Mac bashing words 2 years ago, 10 years ago 15 years ago. It's still the same everytime. And guess what: Apple is still alive.

Well I'm not trying to bash Macs, just point out their obvious shortcomings. I am just wondering what it is that you see in them.

 

[The WAB]

Well I'm not trying to bash Macs, just point out their obvious shortcomings. I am just wondering what it is that you see in them.

Well it comes already five years packed with an OS that is even more advanced as Vista.

 

[The WAB]

I think XP offers a great user experience. It is a less colorful OS, and admittedly one that is lacking some neat features like Expose or integrated widgets and some cool programs like Garageband. But then again, it is a 2001 operating system ; Vista will correct many of these shortcomings.

I think you neglect the fact that OSX is also a 2001 OS

The Vista you will get is the OSX we got in 2001. And like you just said XP misses all the fun. I remember my PC days as long hunts for usefull software. The limited software availability is actually a good thing for mac. You will find a whole less rubbish software. Because the choice is limited it's much more easy to spot the top software you need. Look at it as with computers there is also a very limitied choice in the stores. You got rubbish PC's that you can identify by a sticker saying it's developped for windows and you have the quality computers who you can identify by their Apple logo. Limited choice is much easier for me to buy stuff.

 

[wiglaff]

Except for games like Civ 4...

 

[bio_hazard]

I personally love Spotlight- the OSX search feature. It is great for downloaded .pdfs that have funny names and end up in some random download folder.

Also just have to give my personal testimonial about stability. I was doing some intense sound recording this spring- huge amounts of data, 24 audio channels, up to 20gb or so/day, at times without the hardware correctly configured, in freezing, dusty conditions. I think the g4 powerbook I was using only crashed maybe 2 or 3 times in 250 hours or so of recording, and those were when I accidentally knocked out the usb cable to the external hard drive. In the mean time, at least 3 of the PC laptops had major problems, and they weren't even taken outside.

To sort of put this back on topic, I've just got to say that I'm confident that Civ4 will get ironed out in terms of sound issues and CPU... My guess is an early September patch- that will take care of the big issues but might miss some minor gameplay features.

 

[von Tirpitz]

man, why do some people always seem to believe that with buying a certain system they were signing some sort of life-long promotion contract for it?

If you (wiglaff) think that XP is much better than OS X than it's fine - go on and be happy. Same thing we Mac users are going to do..

(von Tirpitz, who just switched from XP about 1 1/2 years ago)

 

[wiglaff]

man, why do some people always seem to believe that with buying a certain system they were signing some sort of life-long promotion contract for it?

If you (wiglaff) think that XP is much better than OS X than it's fine - go on and be happy. Same thing we Mac users are going to do..

(von Tirpitz, who just switched from XP about 1 1/2 years ago)

This is useful because I am learning something, believe it or not I do not own a macintosh and have not used one since the early G4s.

 

[The WAB]

My guess is an early September patch- that will take care of the big issues but might miss some minor gameplay features.

September? You got to be kidding me! A product with bugs like Civ4 for mac shouldn't be sold to people for two month's like this. There must be a law against such. The product should be taken out of shelfs if a patch would take that long.

 

[The WAB]

This is useful because I am learning something, believe it or not I do not own a macintosh and have not used one since the early G4s.

No way?

All people talking like you haven't seen a mac in ages. People that have used it recently don't use your excuses anymore. Only excuse they use is price! And still for my opinion macs are cheaper!