nonnob3
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Thanks for posting this image!!!!!!!!!! 
Preview New Unit: Liebstandarte SS (German Special Guard for Hitler)
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dannyevilcat
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Yes, it's true. They were cycled through both duties. They fought (and the bastards fought excellently) then were reassigned to work in the camps, and back to the front again.
zulu9812
The Newbie Nightmare
so, based on OberSturmFührer's image, will the unit be wearing a greatcoat?
S1Genocide
INVADER-ZIM
he he guess ill havta fix that myself
W.i.n.t.e.r
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where did you get that info from- it would surprise me greatly if that would have been a standart procedure unless it is some clandestine operations units (such as the SS Polizei Batallione) ????????????????????????????????????
W.i.n.t.e.r
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not this one- the later one will (although I am picturing it in Black as well)- only a concept shot of possible future units in poor gif format but I hope it will create a perspective (future because I really dont have time during this and next month):
nonnob3
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dannyevilcat
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Originally posted by W.i.n.t.e.r
Well, I don't have the book anymore that I'd read it in (it was one of those illustrated, oversized books. I think wasn called: WAFFEN-SS: Hitler's black guard, or something.)
anyway, so I went looking around and found this on a Waffen-SS web page:
Probably one of the most notorious Waffen SS divsions ever formed was the 3rd SS "Totenkopf" (Deaths Head) division. Although after a shaky start they gained a fearsome fighting reputation they will always be associated with the concentration camp system and the running of the camps. This is due to the fact that the origins for this division can be traced back to the Totenkopfverbande which consisted of five pre-war standarten (regiments) who along with a few members of the SS-VT were responsible for guarding the concentration camps in Germany such as Dachau. This situation still persisted when the war started with guards being interchanged from frontline to concentration camp guard duties, however this practice was stopped when the invasion of Russia took place and manpower was needed at the front. Then the practice of interchanging men was almost identical as with any other Waffen SS unit.
The fighting origins of this divisions can be traced back to the the Polish campaign in 1939 when troops from the "Heimwehr Danzig" fought alongside army units. After this campaign they were incorporated into the Totenkopf during the expansion of this divsion.
I didn't, however, know that the practise was stopped so soon. I figured it lasted until 1943 or so.
dannyevilcat
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nonnob, I think going with the greatcoat is the right way to go, but I think you made it too long. Try for it going a little past his knees. Oh, and they had white straps and gloves, too.
(sorry if I'm just making this more complicated for ya )
(sorry if I'm just making this more complicated for ya
)
nonnob3
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Originally posted by dannyevilcat
nonnob, I think going with the greatcoat is the right way to go, but I think you made it too long. Try for it going a little past his knees. Oh, and they had white straps and gloves, too.
(sorry if I'm just making this more complicated for ya
danny...take a look a the picture posted from OberSturmFührer
on bottom of page 2... the coats are past the knees.
Thats where a copied from
dannyevilcat
DESTROYER OF FURNITURE
That's true, but since your picture has the legs set apart, the coat should ride up a bit. Maybe not just below the knees, then, but enough to see a bit of boot...
BTW, I hope I don't sound all pushy n' stuff
BTW, I hope I don't sound all pushy n' stuff
nonnob3
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Details,details... 
All right I will "shorten his skirt" an inch
...anything for the man the "Started it all" by giving me the "default" image
Have a good night my friend
All right I will "shorten his skirt" an inch
...anything for the man the "Started it all" by giving me the "default" image
Have a good night my friend
S1Genocide
INVADER-ZIM
I think you should lose the trench i liked it better before
pi8ch
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Thanks to W.i.n.t.e.r for the info!!!
About the coat.. They were the same coats as the Wehrmacht soldiers, only that the SS had black ones, where the Wehrmacht had grey ones.
The war-coats were knee long.
So-long....
It will be a great unit!!!!
I would say.. in Winter yes, in Summer no..
"Totenkopf" simply means "Skull" in German - the white thing a Sceleton has
About the coat.. They were the same coats as the Wehrmacht soldiers, only that the SS had black ones, where the Wehrmacht had grey ones.
I think both of you are right... The parade uniform (picture) coats were ankle-long.
The war-coats were knee long.
So-long....
It will be a great unit!!!!
W.i.n.t.e.r
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Originally posted by pi8ch
Thanks to W.i.n.t.e.r for the info!!!
I would say.. in Winter yes, in Summer no..
"Totenkopf" simply means "Skull" in German - the white thing a Sceleton has
I think both of you are right... The parade uniform (picture) coats were ankle-long.
The war-coats were knee long.
So-long....
It will be a great unit!!!!
I always thought Skull translates to 'Schädel'
(no seriously, I think 'Death's Head' has been the accepted translation eversince the times of Friedrich der Große.---
I don't really lile the coat on this particular one! Ithink without it looks much more menacing... look above at the pics I posted yesternight: I am working on a parade uniform one wearing a coat (far right unit). I thought about making this one the SS army pic. Nonnob at some time wanted to make an officer unit , and that was when I started on these (alternatively the officer icons would do the trick) ...
pi8ch
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I'm sure you will make a great unit - with and without coat....
About "Skull" - skull is the sceleton's head, am I right?
If yeas then "Skull" is the perfect translation of "Totenkopf"
(remeber the Totenkopf members had a small "Skull" on htier hats!)
About "Skull" - skull is the sceleton's head, am I right?
If yeas then "Skull" is the perfect translation of "Totenkopf"
(remeber the Totenkopf members had a small "Skull" on htier hats!)
W.i.n.t.e.r
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Aber sicher
only that the "Totenkopf" is really a remnant of old Prussian traditions: The Prussian Leibhussar, guard to the Prussian King would wear a black uniform with a large "Death's Head" on their Tchako meaning they would fight till death for the King.ps While Death's Head is no longer used as ways to say 'Skull' the translation used to be Death's Head- English is not as precise as German- you R very right: it IS a Skull (Schädel) but the direct translation of Totenkopf into English is "Death's Head". I know it sounds funny
but its like 'Piratenflagge', that translates into 'Jolly Rogers' 
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definitly dont like the coats....
pi8ch
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Ok - If you say tha's prussian tradition then you will be right!
I just thought "skull" because of their "skulls" on their uniforms
I just thought "skull" because of their "skulls" on their uniforms
W.i.n.t.e.r
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Originally posted by pi8ch
Ok - If you say tha's prussian tradition then you will be right!
I just thought "skull" because of their "skulls" on their uniforms
Well basically Hitler liked the idea of his sinister Leibstandarte fighting till their death for him and apparently retook this tradition- other sources indicate that Himmler had some part in choosing this particular skull emblem from Prussian army regiments, tracing them back to the Leibhussars and even older Germanic (blah) ritual symbolism (but I think these latter sources bull**** a lot
)BTW: This is the figure I thought about when creating this first SS unit:
