thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
Thanks, i will probably use most of those 
Project: Arda Mod (LOTR)
- Thread starter Elda King
- Start date
Elda King
Prince
Great ideas, their concept is great, but about the names I have some sugestions to make (and some new ideas) but I think that instead of Representation we should have Stewardship, we should use High Kingship instead of Vassalage, and we should gave some "evil" civics like Tyranism. Oath of Fëanor is a great idea, but Law of Mandos should rather be "Obey to the Valar" or such. Law of Ents isn't very good, because nobody ever had ents at its disposal, but Communion with the Nature would be fine. We also should have Council of Wises as a civic.
For the Religious civics, I think they need some radical changes: my idea for the religions is to have The Cult of Darkness, and The Light of Aman. They would be founded early in the game, the first by The Shadow and the second by a Elven civ. The elves and the Shadow must have "no non-state religion spread", so they can't adopt the religion of the other (and that the elves that weren't in Valinor couldn't have The Light of Valinor), but the Dwarves and Men should have options to change their alignment.
For the Religious civics, I think they need some radical changes: my idea for the religions is to have The Cult of Darkness, and The Light of Aman. They would be founded early in the game, the first by The Shadow and the second by a Elven civ. The elves and the Shadow must have "no non-state religion spread", so they can't adopt the religion of the other (and that the elves that weren't in Valinor couldn't have The Light of Valinor), but the Dwarves and Men should have options to change their alignment.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
So we only have two religions?
Elda King
Prince
For now, that is my idea, because I surely don't want to have Valar-religions. Perhaps we could also have a Reverence for Ilúvatar, like in Númenor, and/or a Naturalism religion, but Religion should be a minor aspect of Middle-Earth.
About the Civics, a more organized list:
Government
*Monarchy: no bonus, no upkeep
*Tyranism: only for The Shadow, +2 unhappy, +50% military unit production, Medium Upkeep
*Stewardship: +3 research/specialist, +3 happiness in the 5 bigger cities, Low Upkeep
*Oath of Fëanor: only for Elves, can draft 3 units/turn, +1 happiness/unit in a city, High upkeep
*Friendship of The Valar: +1 production, +15% GP born rate, +15% war weariness, High Upkeep
Law
*Barbarism: No bonus, low upkeep
*High Kingship: +2 XP, +25% production in Capital, High Upkeep
*Warrior Society: free units, medium upkeep
*Council of Wises: +50% research in capital, +100% GP born rate, +1 gold suport for military units, +15% War Weariness, High Upkeep
*Raiding: only for the shadow, +25% unit production, +1 XP, Low upkeep
Labor
*Tribalism: No bonus, low upkeep
*Guild of Artificers: +25% production in capital, +25% worker speed, +25% building construction speed, High Upkeep
*Slavery: only for The Shadow and Dark Men, can sacrifice population to hurry, no upkeep
*Free Work: Happiness Penalty to civs without Free Work, +1 gold/mines , no upkeep
*Public Works: +1 happiness/city, can hurry with gold, Medium Upkeep
Economy
*Descentralization: No bonus, No upkeep
*Free Trade: +1 trade route/city, Low upkeep
*Closed Trade: +1 free specialist/city, no foreign trade routes, Medium Upkeep
*Nature Bond: +5 health in every city, +1 happiness/forest and jungle, high upkeep
*Communitary Production: No maintenance cost from distance to the palace, +25% production of buildings, Low Upkeep
Religion
*Loyalty: +25% unit production, No non-state spread, +1 unhappiness/religion in the city, only choice for The Shadow, Low Upkeep
*Extreme Neutrality: no state religion, +2 unhappiness/religion in the city, no non-state spread, +25% GP born rate High Upkeep, together with loyalty only choice for the Elves
*No Alignment: no state religion, +1 free priest in each city, no upkeep
*Fanaticism: +2 XP and the same as Loyalty but High Upkeep, only to Men
*Ignorance: no bonus, no upkeep (standart for men)
About the Civics, a more organized list:
Government
*Monarchy: no bonus, no upkeep
*Tyranism: only for The Shadow, +2 unhappy, +50% military unit production, Medium Upkeep
*Stewardship: +3 research/specialist, +3 happiness in the 5 bigger cities, Low Upkeep
*Oath of Fëanor: only for Elves, can draft 3 units/turn, +1 happiness/unit in a city, High upkeep
*Friendship of The Valar: +1 production, +15% GP born rate, +15% war weariness, High Upkeep
Law
*Barbarism: No bonus, low upkeep
*High Kingship: +2 XP, +25% production in Capital, High Upkeep
*Warrior Society: free units, medium upkeep
*Council of Wises: +50% research in capital, +100% GP born rate, +1 gold suport for military units, +15% War Weariness, High Upkeep
*Raiding: only for the shadow, +25% unit production, +1 XP, Low upkeep
Labor
*Tribalism: No bonus, low upkeep
*Guild of Artificers: +25% production in capital, +25% worker speed, +25% building construction speed, High Upkeep
*Slavery: only for The Shadow and Dark Men, can sacrifice population to hurry, no upkeep
*Free Work: Happiness Penalty to civs without Free Work, +1 gold/mines , no upkeep
*Public Works: +1 happiness/city, can hurry with gold, Medium Upkeep
Economy
*Descentralization: No bonus, No upkeep
*Free Trade: +1 trade route/city, Low upkeep
*Closed Trade: +1 free specialist/city, no foreign trade routes, Medium Upkeep
*Nature Bond: +5 health in every city, +1 happiness/forest and jungle, high upkeep
*Communitary Production: No maintenance cost from distance to the palace, +25% production of buildings, Low Upkeep
Religion
*Loyalty: +25% unit production, No non-state spread, +1 unhappiness/religion in the city, only choice for The Shadow, Low Upkeep
*Extreme Neutrality: no state religion, +2 unhappiness/religion in the city, no non-state spread, +25% GP born rate High Upkeep, together with loyalty only choice for the Elves
*No Alignment: no state religion, +1 free priest in each city, no upkeep
*Fanaticism: +2 XP and the same as Loyalty but High Upkeep, only to Men
*Ignorance: no bonus, no upkeep (standart for men)
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
I suppose this would eb done with the Civ/race specific techs.
Elda King
Prince
Yes, I have already done these techs (both to enable and disable techs to a faction). The only problems are: in the Pedia, the selection on the list appears to be other tech (the one 8 techs after the one you're looking), in the start it shows "you know , , , , ...", and in the the pedia (required techs) it shows a blank space and the other tech.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
I've noticed. it shows those eight empty spaces, and seems to be crammign two techs per space for those empty spaces. any idea how long Chamber of records is down?
·Imhotep·
Legendary Builder
@Elda King:
One suggestion for the Nature Bond civic: Name it Songs of Yavannah ! As she is the Vala that represents Nature in all its kinds and with her songs creates new things, that would fit perfectly I think.
Imhotep
One suggestion for the Nature Bond civic: Name it Songs of Yavannah ! As she is the Vala that represents Nature in all its kinds and with her songs creates new things, that would fit perfectly I think.
Imhotep
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
That would work.
I'm starting the Civics as soon as i can, whiel you work on the techs, Elda King.
Sincerly
thomas
I'm starting the Civics as soon as i can, whiel you work on the techs, Elda King.
Sincerly
thomas
Brisingamen
Woman With a Weapon
I can't wait for this to come out!
i
LOTR
i
LOTR
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
I can't wait for this to come out!
i
Sorry about that... my sistere obnoxiously trying to raise her post count. i told her to post on here, and, well, you see what happened.
(in thruth, she couldn't care less for LOTR)
Elda King
Prince
Back to work after a surprise last-time trip. Sorry for the late, I'll try to work more to finish the techs soon.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
It's alright... a lot of the things you want in the civicsd don't have XML tags. (reaserch, for example)
Elda King
Prince
What you mean research in capital or research y specialist? As far as I remember, all I said is possible just with XML, and most is already in the vanilla civics, or at least something very alike.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
I'm sorry, but i can't find anything that has any relation to research in the civ4civicsinfos.XML
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
Well, fire away... (though if you learned how to model, it would be amazing
)
)
Elda King
Prince
I found that the best way to fix the civ-specific techs is to just give a name to the restraining techs, so now we have Mortality (disables techs to dwarves), Free-will (disables techs to The Shadow), People of The Surface (disables techs to dwarves), Fading (disables techs to Men), Firstborne Of Ilúvatar (tech is only to Elves), Children of Aulë (tech is only to Dwarves), Minions of The Enemy (tech is only to The Shadow), and Mortal Men (tech is only to Men). The techs still are invisible at the Tech Tree, and have no icon, and their pedia is blank, but the odd things are gone. Perhaps I still add one short, generic pedia, but for now it's done.
About the civics, I saw the file and found a place where I think we can change the research. I still have not tried (I'll do so later today), but I guess the tag <CommerceModifier> can do that. Inside this tag, we have three <iCommerceModifier> tags; the third is for sure where we change the culture bonus (in a percent tax), and I think the first is the treasury and the second the research.
About the civics, I saw the file and found a place where I think we can change the research. I still have not tried (I'll do so later today), but I guess the tag <CommerceModifier> can do that. Inside this tag, we have three <iCommerceModifier> tags; the third is for sure where we change the culture bonus (in a percent tax), and I think the first is the treasury and the second the research.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
Do you thinks so... i'l take a look.
Similar threads
