[Project] second unique unit for each civilization

[Master Lexx]

Huu, wow. Thanks for the info. The crossbow +25% vs mounted is a change of GreenMod, not included here. I am also thinking about the 3uu of america prob. Many people requested the minuteman....... so the best is, for version 1.00 to remove the cobra gunship. Maybe after some feedback (after release) i can better decide what to do then.

The minuteman is now set up to replace rifleman, with -2 str, -20 prod, +1fs, +20% retreat. The paladin is not so well looking, an eagly warrior, nice idea, maybe somebody helps me with this.

And I think about my split tank civs idea. One half of civs get a sherman, the other one a t-34, which look different but are nearly the same. Maybe i realese this change as ... Plus mod.

Ye, so the mod is finished....... I just need one civpedia description in german, the one of the ansar warrior.

Another idea for the azteks: the current aztek jaguar warrior is already a mix of eagle and jaguar, it has the jaguar skin ans many feathers, one could be names eagle warrior, the other one jaguar warrior.

Another idea for the incas: a very late fictional uu, a quechua tank, as replacement for the modern armor with +25% against gunpowder units.

What do you think?

 

[Robo Magic Man]

One problem with the minuteman: If it replaces the rifleman, then America will be at a severe disadvantage during the Industrial Era, because their rifleman has -2 strength.

Also, the Redcoat gets +2 strength, and considering the fact that the minutemen defeated the redcoats in the American Revolutionary War (albeit with guerilla tactics and in spite of being less trained than redcoats), -2, or 4 less than redcoats seems very harsh. I'd suggest keeping the strength equal to that of the rifleman to even them out.

*Or, what might be even better would be to have the minuteman replace the musketman. After all, minutemen didn't have rifles, they had smooth-bore muskets.

 

[RED DIAMOND]

The Buffalo Soldier is a logical UU for America since no other country had them.

 

[GeoModder]

Huu, wow. Thanks for the info. The crossbow +25% vs mounted is a change of GreenMod, not included here. I am also thinking about the 3uu of america prob. Many people requested the minuteman....... so the best is, for version 1.00 to remove the cobra gunship. Maybe after some feedback (after release) i can better decide what to do then.

My mistake, I thought those second UU's would be included with the GreenMod.
That changes the possibilities of course.

Your stats for the Minuteman look ok, especially with the retreat capability. The only thing I'm worried about is their chances against a Grenadier.

No Paladin thus. Dragonder it will be I suppose.

Like the Inca Armor proposal. They're coming back with a vengeance after the Dawn of Times.

 

[Master Lexx]

Yes, those uus will be included with GreenMod, but here and now it`s a standalone mod. Also no buffalo soldier, maybe you forgot that I got 3 uus for america? I will test if this minuteman has a chance. So, biggest descision now is, if quechua should get a modern quechua tank as 2nd uu?

 

[spincrus]

Nobody has said it before, so I will:

- Although sipahi, ethimologically has roots to the Persian language, is Turkish and Ottoman.
- Persians and Turks aren't the same.
- Persians haven't used the crescend and the star as their symbol at any point of their history (they have mostly used the lion and the sun).

So, the sipahi is a very wrong choice for a 2nd Unique Unit for the Persians.

Well, if there WERE Turks in the game, then they would have the sipahi and the janissaries, but since we're speaking about the civs that are present in the game currently, that's another story.

 

[boazman]

How about giving Rome a Byzantine or Holy Roman Empire UU? I suppose German and late HRE kind of meld in to each other, because IMO Teutonic Knight could be used for Rome as well as Germany. Perhaps give Germany a little more obscure one, such as Falxmen? (Actually Romanian/Baltic I know, but they could work for game balance purposes).

Giving Rome a Byzantine era UU seems a good idea, and the Greek Fire immediately comes to my mind. If the wiki source is reliable, the Greek Fire / Byzantine fire sounds important historically speaking.

Here are the quotes...
"Byzantine fire was largely responsible for many Byzantine military victories, and partly the reason for the Eastern Roman Empire surviving as long as it did. It was particularly helpful near the end of the empire's life when there were not enough inhabitants to effectively defend its territories. It was first used to repel the Arab siege of Constantinople in 674-677 (Battle of Syllaeum), and in 717-718. The Byzantines also used this powerful weapon against the Varangians (Vikings) in 941 and against the Venetians during the Fourth Crusade. It quickly became one of the most fearsome weapons of the medieval world."

And for UU in seperate eras, I don't think it need to be so, but I agree that it should be of different unit types (i.e. land/sea/air) if they are to be in the same era. Having two UU in same era can more realistically reflect real history, for example the Spainish can be given a Caravel that carries military units so that they can carry the Conquistador around, to give a 'realistic feel' of Spanish expeditions to the New World...

 

[C.Roland]

No rest for the worthy eh?



Ok, here I have found Rolands' first skin ( ), which happens to be a French Paladin.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=143869

Here a better paladin skin by me

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Download

 

[Master Lexx]

The units are ready and will be included, that is it. No Cobra gunship,... no better greek or roman units. For now.

This mods needs to be released, then it comes into the mod thread and there we all will talk again abou the improvments. But i think it has more use if I release it now and make all improvemnets with different units and so on later. I have no replacement of the sipahi, so for 1.00 it has to stay.

Anyways I thank you for your help. But here and now this project is over and will now begin new as finished 2nduu mod which can be improved in a new thread.

 

[Robo Magic Man]

When you say there are no better Greek or Roman units, does that mean you're removing the Companion Cavalry and Roman Cavalry?

 

[Master Lexx]

No, this means, I have no better skins that fit for another greek or roman unit.
Everything is possible but I will not include new units without new skins.