Prove that God doesn't exist

Originally posted by thestonesfan
If you really think there is a god out there that cares for us, how do you explain child molesters?

Well God gave everyone a free will to use it however they like, some use it help others, some use it to hurt others.
God won't override your free will.
If he stepped in to stop the child molesterer then He would have to step in and stop EVERYONE from doing something wrong no matter how big or small it would be.
 
If I say God can come down and eat my a$$ and I'll provide him with a spoon, does that prove He does not exsist? Does it prove He hath no balls? This is not a subject that can be proved, much like 'prooving' He does exsist.

I would be ahamed if I had started this thread. Just my personal thought.
 
Words of wisdom...

Originally posted by CurtSibling:

No human has been to this fantasy world that is promised.
It's a fantasy made to make people's pointless lives seem worthwhile.

An illogical fable that is beaten into generation after generation of young humans, to keep the lie going.
And to keep the human elite in a position of power.
I choose freedom over such degradation.
I am a Human, the race that built glory from nothing and mastered the matter of life itself.

By that heritage, I am a god.

Originally posted by Floppa:

A promise of a 'paradisiacal heaven' after death... What is required to attain it? Shun natural insticts and desires. Ingrain mental sicknesses and guilt guilt GUILT into our children and their children for desiring what is natural to us humans to desire. How pathetic is that? At what point did we become gerbils? Or should I say 'sheep'... No, brainwashing is NOT too strong a word for this line of talk. GUILT for being a human being... Where do I sign up? And pass me that collection plate while you're at it so I can help support this GARBAGE.

What ever happened to thinking for yourself? Whatever happened to deductive reasoning? Too bad stupidity isn't physically painful.

Don't forget, Jesus rose from the dead so technically, he's a zombie.


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My premise is simple.

The idea of god is a construct, an invention.
There is no need to disprove it, as he never really existed anyway.

As living deity or entity, this god is as real as Frodo or Gandalf.
And like these characters, god has many fan-fiction writers working in their names.

And many hardcore fans.

Does this make them or god real?…Nope.
It matters not how much you believe, the fact is this…

Man invented the divine to first explain, then justify and now avoid his miserable existence.

If you look back through our history, it is obvious that ideas of gods have evolved along with our civilisation.

From Stone Age to Internet age, we have been enthralled by fancies and the lure of the spectacular over our mundane boring lives.
Hence why we are so eager to accept that we are small vessels crashing in some cosmic sea, beyond our control.

And since you are players of civ, the basics are there in front of you.
Humans made up gods to give moral guides to behaviours, and to cow populations under a flag of one power.

What we cannot explain, we made fantasies to explain, and a trend that is still with us.

A Stone Age man would not know why it rained or why his mate had a child, he put it down to the spirit god’s happiness.
Disasters were then acquitted to the spirit’s wrath…this is where the idea formulated.

And to say the earth is 6000 years old is completely preposterous, I refuse even to give it consideration, so let’s move on…

As time moved on we learned to settle down, build cities, trade and trick and get one over each other, by force or even better, by fear.

Primitive religious leaders realised that their god invention was useful for maintaining a grip over the plebs, and to assure the good life for them.

That is where religion came into it’s own, when it was married too human greed.
Human-controlled religion was the first corporation, with several market leaders crushing the traditional competition till they monopolised the market.

This is what Christianity and Islam excelled at; fear mongering and championing of ignorance.
While a few privileged men pontificated and made the rules, and raked it in.

Business was good, and everyone was too fearful or stupid to ask questions.
All with humans at the helm, with their ever flexible, invented god concept.
And for those who refused to buckle under, the threat of a baddie god or demon would be enough to ostracise them or if that failed, a sword or burning at the stake will do.

And now the idea of god is firmly in the hands of people who know how to squeeze what they want out of the franchise:

Docile followers, money, power, politics and all this with an unmatchable promise added in at the end of the day…

And if you don’t submit and join in the church bizarre, you are damned to a hell, purpose-invented for the task!

And it matters not how good you have been. Unless you get in line with the earthy power-church, you are sunk…a perfect man-made delusion.

If you look at the whole scheme, from the Greek states, through Rome, to the dark ages, to the new world and then industrial age and now, it is obvious that it is all a big human delusion, allowed to go way too far.

There never was a god/gods/goddess; it was a mental security blanket in our immature years as a species to provide comfort in a harsh world.

And now we still cling to it in the space age…Scared to let go.

Or rather being told we are scared, by those who are scared to lose power.
Even worse are the unwitting followers, beaten or deluded into giving up their self-determination and bowing to a false hope and fantasy god.

In this day and age, revisionism and reverential treatment is not challenged by successive generations, who are either beaten into believing by parents who got the same treatment,
Or tricked by charismatic individuals who serve to keep the great lie alive.

For know there are many who live in great renown and luxury and wish to keep their power-base.

The invented god spirit has come far since those innocent days of the hunter-gatherer.
Many tribes had their own harmless little invented gods,
Now swallowed up by the huge, terrifying machine of the mono-invented-god, and his retainers, who cannot recall why they maintain this colossal grand invention.

Will they ever learn?

In conclusion,
Look through history, god was an invention, he never existed anyway.

We live, controlled by a massive lie. Are you part of it, do you wish to keep it alive?
 
You'll have to redefine God first to allow for the possibility that he doesn't exist. The God hypothesis can not be disproven. From a religious standpoint that's a great thing, I suppose. However in science null hypotheses are always disregarded.

I can, however, confidently state that the christian God, if he exists, is not bound by logic. That's the extent to which one can argue, however. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.
 
Originally posted by Sir Eric

If he stepped in to stop the child molesterer then He would have to step in and stop EVERYONE from doing something wrong no matter how big or small it would be.

And wouldn't that be a good idea ? Or are you saying that He isn't actually almighty, or that he's just too lazy to look after us all ?
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling
Evidence that human beings have, at various times throughout history, made up a few stories.

You have not even come close to proving that God doesn't exist. Even if you can show that every human religion is based upon a fabrication, you still haven't disproved the existance of God.
 
Originally posted by floppa21
If I say God can come down and eat my a$$ and I'll provide him with a spoon, does that prove He does not exsist? Does it prove He hath no balls? This is not a subject that can be proved, much like 'prooving' He does exsist.

I would be ahamed if I had started this thread. Just my personal thought.

I'm not ashamed that I started this thread.:)
How did anyone in history make discoveries? They had a go, they gave it their best shot. They made mistakes and got up again and kept going (btw I dont think this thread was a mistake).

I generally steer away from religious talks, (this is one of the few that I have partipated in and will probably be the last) but I thought that I had a valid point to make.

Your more than welcome to question that validity and to disagree with it but to try and make someone feel ashamed for giving something a go is certainly something I disagree with.
 
Originally posted by Sir Eric


Well God gave everyone a free will to use it however they like, some use it help others, some use it to hurt others.
God won't override your free will.
If he stepped in to stop the child molesterer then He would have to step in and stop EVERYONE from doing something wrong no matter how big or small it would be.

One question Eric.

How can you speak for god?

I ask many christians this, and they never asnwer.

When you describe his motives, how in heck do you know what you are talking about.

Have you met god and had an interview or some such?
 
Originally posted by eek!


You have not even come close to proving that God doesn't exist. Even if you can show that every human religion is based upon a fabrication, you still haven't disproved the existance of God.

Can't you read?

The idea of god is the crux of the fabricated story.

You can't have a car without wheels.

Get the picture?
 
Originally posted by jack merchant


And wouldn't that be a good idea ? Or are you saying that He isn't actually almighty, or that he's just too lazy to look after us all ?

And if god made us in his image, isn't he capable of the same evils as us?

And religionists shouldn't answer, because they will fabricate the answer, seeing as god is man's fantasy fabrication.
 
Originally posted by thestonesfan
If you really think there is a god out there that cares for us, how do you explain child molesters?

From a utilitarian perspective, one could argue that the existance of child molesters serves some higher purpose that human beings cannot fathom. Or, to put it another way, "The Lord works in mysterious ways."

Oh and Curt knock it off with the flame-baiting it's ****ing pathetic and you ought to be ashamed.
 
Originally posted by eek!
Oh and Curt knock it off with the flame-baiting it's ****ing pathetic and you ought to be ashamed.

Not flame-baiting.

Just hitting the raw nerve of truth.

If you can't take it, too bad, sir.
 
Curt is very uncharacteristicly intolerant when it comes to religion.
 
Originally posted by Sir Eric
Your more than welcome to question that validity and to disagree with it but to try and make someone feel ashamed for giving something a go is certainly something I disagree with.

Eric is right, he is welcome to venture into this territory, human knowledge should not be stemmed.

I can see this thread becoming a carbon copy of my own, as the conclusion I come to is the same.

A fabrication cannot be disproven, as it has no substance anyhow.

:)
 
Originally posted by thestonesfan
Curt is very uncharacteristicly intolerant when it comes to religion.

I have nothing against our good posters here, and I enjoy the deabte.

I am just telling as I see it! :goodjob:
 
Originally posted by G-Man
Care to read my posts before replying to them? Once it's been prooven that Iraq had WMDs it's up to them to prove they've destroyed it. That's the legal way, and that's BTW what the UN said as well.

When a country goes to war against another country, claiming that the country is armed with nuclear weapons which can strike within 45 minutes (:lol: ), I expect some proof. How else is it just? They had nuclear weapons before, we had inspectors before, we have inspectors again, but the threat is no greater, indeed it would appear there was none.

But back to my original point:

You have to prove that god exists, not expect somebody else to prove otherwise.

[My original point which was turned into a mini debate (once again) by G-Man due to three words which had little importance concerning the point of my post and ended up completely off topic and wasteful...]
 
Round two of this fascinating battle:
:eek: vs Curtsibling
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling

A fabrication cannot be disproven, as it has no substance anyhow.

:)

You'll see I already covered in my other post, if you've even read it. Null hypotheses and what not, can I assume you haven't read the whole thread then, as it appears you grossly mistaken my position on this subject?
 
Originally posted by jack merchant


And wouldn't that be a good idea ? Or are you saying that He isn't actually almighty, or that he's just too lazy to look after us all ?

Okay look at it from this perspective,
Christians believe that God created man to fellowship with Him, so anything that causes us not to fellowship with him can be defined as sin.
That means that lieing, theft, etc keeps you away from God.
From his point of view anything that stops you from being with Him is sin.

So from this point of view if He stopped people from doing the obvious sins like child molestering then He would have to make them worship Him as well because this is what His will is for us, to be with Him and anything that stops that is sin.
But God isn't after people that are forced to worship Him, He wants people to want to be with Him.
So thats why he wont force people not to sin.
We do however have to live with the consequences of our actions and unfortunately the actions of others.

hope this expalins a little.
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling


One question Eric.

How can you speak for god?

I ask many christians this, and they never asnwer.

When you describe his motives, how in heck do you know what you are talking about.

Have you met god and had an interview or some such?

Hmmmm. A good question..
I find that it is easy to be presumptuous about what God may or may not think depending on what I have or have not read in the bible. I try and stick to only what I know and if I dont know then I'm the first to admit it.

That said, you can understand why he does things by reading the bible, He clearly wants people to understand His motives for doing things.
For example I know His motive for sending Jesus was love cause it says so in Joihn3:16 "for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son"....

The whole crux of Christianity is that you actually meet Him.
If it wasn't then I would be wasting my time and would be nothing more that a lier.

I suggest to everyone not to accept what I am saying as truth but go check it out for yourselves.
 
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