Shaitan
der Besucher
Demogame suspension is on the honor system. He could still read but would not be allowed to post in any demogame forum. If he did post and it was discovered then we would have to bad things to him.
Public Investigation: People vs. Stuck_As_A_Mac
- Thread starter Danke
- Start date
Danke
Judge Advocate
I was gearing up for a big prosecution, but, I guess not so much. Stuck, thanks for being forthright.
This poll will last for 48 hours as mandated by our laws. At that point a sentencing poll will be posted with the options listed in this thread, as taken from our laws.
As judge advocate, I will be recommending sentencing that is more than a slap on the wrist, but is short of a ban. Playing the game save to gain knowledge not found in the save itself is strictly forbidden. I find it unimaginable that someone involved in the demo game as long as Stuck wouldn't have had even a twinge that this might be wrong. I will not be recommending a ban *only* because Stuck has been so honest about his actions.
I am also thinking of this case as precedent. Regardless of our personal feelings for Stuck, we do need to make it clear to all players, present and future, that playing the game save is a very serious breach.
I will be making a specific recommendation before the trial poll goes up.
Danke
Judge Advocate
This poll will last for 48 hours as mandated by our laws. At that point a sentencing poll will be posted with the options listed in this thread, as taken from our laws.
As judge advocate, I will be recommending sentencing that is more than a slap on the wrist, but is short of a ban. Playing the game save to gain knowledge not found in the save itself is strictly forbidden. I find it unimaginable that someone involved in the demo game as long as Stuck wouldn't have had even a twinge that this might be wrong. I will not be recommending a ban *only* because Stuck has been so honest about his actions.
I am also thinking of this case as precedent. Regardless of our personal feelings for Stuck, we do need to make it clear to all players, present and future, that playing the game save is a very serious breach.
I will be making a specific recommendation before the trial poll goes up.
Danke
Judge Advocate
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
Letting me run then keeping me out for a week is fine with me.
Also: if theres a week ban, I can still read the logs, right?
Also: if theres a week ban, I can still read the logs, right?
Shaitan
der Besucher
@SAAM - Yes, you could still stay current and read the demogame forums and logs, etc. The restriction would be you could not post in any demogame thread, send demogame related emails/PMs, go to the demogame related IRQ channels, etc, for the time of the suspension.
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
@shaitan: stupid questions to follow:
1) rpg- does that count
2) I believe #civfanatics is a non-dg related channle. Would I still be allowed in there?
1) rpg- does that count
2) I believe #civfanatics is a non-dg related channle. Would I still be allowed in there?
Shaitan
der Besucher
Yes, RPG is part of the demogame so would be disallowed.
#civfanatics and the non-demogame forums are still allowed. You would need to refrain from demogame comments in #civfanatics and elsewhere.
#civfanatics and the non-demogame forums are still allowed. You would need to refrain from demogame comments in #civfanatics and elsewhere.
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
Sure. As long as I can read, not vote (perhaps in elections only, for quorms sake?), privatly voice my opinions to myself, Run in Term4 elections, erad the chat logs and attend #civfanatics, ill be fine
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
CT: #civfanatics turns to demogame becuase I and a few others tend to incite it..
Veera Anlai
Southern Belle
Well let's worry about the punishment after the trial. The citizens need to vote on Innocent/Guilty, and after that, the citizens also vote on the punishment.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Well IMO, if the Defendent pleads Guilty. Then the Trial process should be skiped and procead to the punishment poll.
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
IMO, As the Defandant, I would like a trial, just to see what public opinion is. And knowing of my guilt, I plan to vote guilty for myself.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
I think whatever we do as a nation in upholding the damn Constitution in this matter, we should check with Stuck first, and make sure it's OK with him to procede. 
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
Can we get a poll of some sorts here?
Veera Anlai
Southern Belle
Now that the PI has been begun, it has to finish itself along the lines outlined in our constitution. The JA will post a Trial poll with Guilty/Innocent/Abstain, and if the defendant is found guilty, a sentencing poll will be held after that. There aren't any alternatives given in our current laws, nor any elastic clauses, so we'll have to follow it to the letter.
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
Veera: that I know. Im just wondering where it is?
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
The Trial Poll for this investigation is now posted here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37392
Falcon02
General
I prefer a Warning over any punishment, just next time if Stuck does it again we'd be forced to act.
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
Trial Results
The citizens have found Stuck_as_a_Mac guilty as charged by a vote of 23 Guilty, 1 Innocent, and 1 abstain.
We will move immediately to a sentencing phase in accordance with the Laws of Fanatika.
This will involve a poll for sentencing to be imposed.
The citizens have found Stuck_as_a_Mac guilty as charged by a vote of 23 Guilty, 1 Innocent, and 1 abstain.
We will move immediately to a sentencing phase in accordance with the Laws of Fanatika.
This will involve a poll for sentencing to be imposed.
