Publicly Funded Islamic Madrassas (Schools) in Western Countries

Would you be comfortable with Islamic Madrassas (Schools) in your community?

  • (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) - Yes

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • (USA) - Yes

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • (Europe) - Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • (Other) - Yes

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) - No

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • (USA) - No

    Votes: 15 45.5%
  • (Europe) - No

    Votes: 5 15.2%
  • (Other) - No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    33

Stacmon

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Publicly Funded Islamic Madrassas (Schools) in Western Countries

I'd like to know what everyone thinks about publicly (state) funded Muslim schools. To give a bit of background, I'm Canadian and in my city (Ottawa, the capital) there are two main school systems. One is the public school system (has no religious affiliation whatsoever) while the other is the Catholic school system (almost identical to the public system but includes courses on "Religion").

Both are publicly funded, and the situation is very different from what I understand it to be in the USA. The vast majority of our public schools are of high quality and very few people, aside from the extremely well off, send their children to private schools.

Because of the increased number of Muslim immigrants, strong birth rates and a steady number of conversions (about 3,000 per year), publicly funded Islamic schools have started popping up in recent years.

These Islamic schools generally teach the same curriculum as Public or Catholic schools, but rather than a Catholic religion course, they have an Islamic religion course. Furthermore, most of them also teach the Arabic language.

I'm from a mixed Muslim/Christian background, and I see this as a just and positive development. As long as Canada accepts and provides funding to Catholic public school boards, they should do the same thing for schools of other religions, provided that enough demand exists. Anything short of that would be discriminatory and show favour to one religion over another.

What I'd like to know is how Americans, Europeans and others feel about something similar happening in their own communities, provided that the Muslim community was large enough and demand was high enough.

Edit: I'd also like to request that people post their views and comments, regardless of the way they vote. Ideally, it'll give us some idea why people are comfortable or uncomfortable with the idea.
 
Whatever the Catholics get, I certainly think that Islam should get. Though I'm uncertain as to how much of the percentage is publically funded.
 
In India, anything that is funded by government money has to be totally secular. But even then, the government funnels 70% of the money it receives as taxes from Hindu temples into either the Haj subsidy for Muslims, or into funding their Madarsas. Royally sucks.
 
We already have Christian Madrassas, nothing wrong with Muslim ones.

EDIT: No wait, if this is state funded then forget about it. Catholic schools too...
 
Over my dead body.

So can you elaborate on why you feel that way?

I mean is it because you hold strong Christian beliefs, because you believe in completely secular education, etc.?

The hope with this post is to let people voice their concerns (if they have them) and also to find out what it is about Islamic schools that they are so strongly against.
 
Only secular schools should be state funded.
 
Absolutely not. The state should not fund religious activities, not churches, and definately not religious schools.

But do you agree like El_Machinae, that if it is done for one religious community (like Catholics in Canada), that it would be unjust to prevent it from being done for another (like Muslims)?
 
So can you elaborate on why you feel that way?

I mean is it because you hold strong Christian beliefs, because you believe in completely secular education, etc.?

The hope with this post is to let people voice their concerns (if they have them) and also to find out what it is about Islamic schools that they are so strongly against.
It's because I don't want U.S. tax dollars to subsidize fanatics.
 
Well, I would prefer secular education, if it's going to be publically funded. And we have to be very careful about teaching false history.
 
It's because I don't want U.S. tax dollars to subsidize fanatics.

Saying that offering public funding for Muslim schools teaching the same curriculum as public schools would be "subsidizing fanatics" is very misleading.

If you're thinking along those lines, wouldn't financing Catholic schools also have to be considered "subsidizing fanatics?"
 
Secular states are not supposed to fund the teaching of any kind of religious crap.
 
There are already courses on religions in German public schools and i wouldn't mind, if Islam would receive more coverage in them. Given the number of Muslims, who are living in Germany, it makes sense to teach children about the religion.

Under no circumstances would i support public funding for religious schools (of any kind), however. If they are to be allowed at all, they should be strictly regulated and under constant supervision. Religion should not get into the way of education.
 
But do you agree like El_Machinae, that if it is done for one religious community (like Catholics in Canada), that it would be unjust to prevent it from being done for another (like Muslims)?

Yes, I would agree with that. However the comparative sizes of the communities would also be a factor.
 
Secular states are not supposed to fund the teaching of any kind of religious crap.

There's a big difference between secularism and freedom of religion.

Gabryel Karolin said:
Yes, I would agree with that. However the comparative sizes of the communities would also be a factor.

Well remember, I said mentioned that there would have to be adequate demand for them among the local Muslim community.

Even if Muslims account for a relatively small proportion of a country's total population, they might be highly concentrated in specific areas. Dearborn Michigan is a good example, with a population of 30,000 Arabs for a town with only 98,000 people.

In Canada for instance, they are concentrated in the major cities, but particularly in Southeastern/Eastern Ontario and Southern Quebec (including Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal).

My city, Ottawa, has 4 different publicly funded Islamic schools. 3 of them are taught in English, while the last one is taught in French.

Across the river, in Quebec (about a 35 minute walk from my house), the city of Gatineau has at least 1 Islamic school, obviously taught in French.

A good parallel would be the Mormon (LDS) community in the US. They are highly concentrated in Utah and parts of Idaho. They are a minority in most of the country, but for a majority in certain areas.
 
If the government provides funds to Catholic Schools, I don't see why not.

I'm sure they'll have inspectors come on a regular basis to inspect to see that the Madrassa's are teaching the basics
 
Publicly Funded Islamic Madrassas (Schools) in Western Countries

What I'd like to know is how Americans, Europeans and others feel about something similar happening in their own communities, provided that the Muslim community was large enough and demand was high enough.
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If Catholics get publicly funded education then cartainly Muslims should be entitled to that same right.

That being said - I don' believe that the Catholic system should be publicly funded. One secular public school system for everybody. If you don't like it then private school alternatives could exist.

Interestingly - the publicly funded Catholic system will never be abolished UNTIL the courts eventually demand that all religions be funded equally because this of course is essentially unworkable. At that time we'll decide to make it equal - no public funding for ANY religious based school system.
 
Publicly funded I would have a problem with. Privately funded, and as long as they don't preach violent actions against the government or citizenry, I couldn't care less about.

Poll is silent on the public funding part, so I don't know if the poll is simply asking if I have a problem with Islamic schools in general or what.
 
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