Pyramids built by the blacks in Africa!

[Gladi]

Czech patent- Pyramid sharpens razors!
You put dull razor in a little pyramid in the evening, you get sharp razor in morning- this is reality!!!
So GP was used for sharpening of Pharaoh's razorblades!

 

[Amenhotep7]

HamaticBabylon seems to have abandoned his own thread. Aw, c'mon, HamaticBabylon! Put up your debating dukes!

 

[Birdjaguar]

Again, what are you claiming the GP is exactly?

I don't think they were stupid - where did you get this from? The point I was making is that you can't look at historical design and assume that it's lesser knowledge then what you know. Egyptologists have done just that and claim the Pyramids were nothing more then tombs. Many scientists are refuting this now - especially engineering based ones. The Pyramids had a purpose that even engineers aren't positive of. That alone is proof that the design, though not beyond our dreams, is beyond our societies use. Considering the precision they went through to make this design - it's obvious it is of great importance & is more advanced then what we called standard today.

You have claimed that the Egyptians could not have built the GP and that they couldn’t have built things to the precision that was used in the GP. A study of ancient buildings around the world says you are wrong. In my book you are calling them stupid. In fact, your whole argument rests on the bogus assumption that they were not capable of building them, therefore someone else must have. Now all you have to do is fabricate an appropriate past that gets conveniently wiped out by an ice age. And guess what! M. Bauval provides so many answers.

I read books & articles in scientific magazines related to the subject. The tools used by these engineers were top end equipment, many with lasers for optimal accuracy. I understand basic geometry can work wonders with basic tools - that I do not argue. But geometry in a scale large enough to equal around 5-6 football fields in area, using only a string and stakes is beyond tough for anyone - especially working in 100 degree temperatures moving 2.5 ton stones.

Yes it would be difficult. So what? People do hard things all the time. Just because something is difficult is no reason to say they couldn’t have done it. You claim engineers using top equipment took accurate measurements. Who were they and what was their agenda? But more than that, how do they compute the accuracy of the builder’s measurements when a whole layer of stone from the outside is missing? How do you measure something that is not there and claim to be precise?

The stars is something I haven't enough research on to talk without massive speculation in terms of 'why,' but the accuracy has been confirmed time & time again. As for harmonics - ask anyone with a stringed instrument to show you, especially guitars. It's very popular. It's also related to 'break points' in terms of vibration. At a certain frequency, a wave can be extremely destructive - and another, perfectly soothing - the latter is obviously still under testing.

Bauval’s BS is debunked here:

http://www.doernenburg.alien.de/alternativ/orion/ori00_e.php

Where do you find Aliens & Atlantis in my posts? Those are completely different issues, based mostly on imagination. Much of what I have spoken about pertaining to the Pyramids is under research and being confirmed by scientists today. Please don't put words into my mouth or assume things that are not true. Claiming Aliens built the Pyramids is just as crazy as claiming that a God created us, in my eyes.

If the Egyptians didn’t build the pyramids, then who did? There is no evidence of an older civilization, especially one more advanced than Egypt. Therefore, you must attribute them to some other critters. Aliens and Atlanteans are all that’s left. By the way during the last ice age, only the British Isles, Scandinavia and the Alps were ice covered. Egypt and the Mediterranean were not.

 

[carlosMM]

Do you speak of remains in Egypt? In that case, why the heck would anyone expect anything beyond a few trade goods?

indeed!

I was addressing Curts idea that the Pyramids could have been built BEFORE the Egyptians, by a civ forgotten.

 

[carlosMM]

What have they found in the Pyramids then?

empty graves.

if the guy can afford a pyramids then he can afford a burial with lotsa stuff.
which is worth breaking into and looting.


so the pyramids were THE main objects of interest for looters

 

[carlosMM]

The chambers of the Pyramids have nothing in them to suggest they were burial chambers. The precise design, the mechanisms within, the ceiling rafters in the upper chamber, and even the simple fact that there has never been a mummy or corpse in any of these chambers is more then enough proof that there was a bigger purpose.

Let me see if I can find an online diagram so I can better explain....

nope, it has been well proven that they were burial chambers - they follow the far older patterns of normal mastabas.

 

[carlosMM]

HamaticBabylon seems to have abandoned his own thread. Aw, c'mon, HamaticBabylon! Put up your debating dukes!

he always does...

 

[sourboy]

No it isn't. Think of the precision needed for building things like CERN or optical telelscopes - it's much higher.

You're comparing apples to oranges and saying you're right because both are fruits. I'm speaking in terms of massive stone construction projects.

The shafts are laser-precise in their accuracy as regards width but they are not straight. I'm not pooh-poohing what the Egyptians did, but they weren't supermen who could build things we can't. I think this is absolute nonsense. 55 years with modern equipment?

Haha, by confirming the width is laser precise - you are agreeing with my point. Proving them to be straight is then irrelevant. How could these Egyptians, who Egyptologists claim only had copper tools, have created these shafts that reach many yards through granite stone, which is a harder material then copper, but yet was too small for a man to climb into - and was laser precise in any way - when they had no way to even measure such precision, especially in such tight, enclosed quarters over a long distance?

And I never said they built something we can't. I clearly said we could replicate it, but it would require technology & precision beyond our industry standard. 55 years in total work (and I'm sure that can be dropped a little since recent upgrades), but this involves multiple tasks - which occuring simultaneously, would mean total work would be closer to 20 years. That's not unreasonable for a standard crew to accomplish.

I'm very intrigued to find out what you think the pyramids were for.

There were many things going on there, and though none are outrageous to their means, or ours - the designing & worldly knowledge required to even think up such a purposeful task is definately beyond our means, and presumably the Egyptians (or prior race - as I think that to be more likely).

 

[sourboy]

Pyramid sharpens razors! You put dull razor in a little pyramid in the evening, you get sharp razor in morning- this is reality!!! So GP was used for sharpening of Pharaoh's razorblades!

This is partially true. The proper Pyramid design can prevent a razor from dulling, if used apprpriately, but it doesn't sharpen them. Call it a "metal's refrigerator" or something.

 

[carlosMM]

sourboy, there are no shafts anywhere in Egypt dug into massive granit rock that nobody can climb into!

Also building the Pyramids is EASILY within our industrial standards! EASILY! Our abilities to cut, polish and move stone is simply amazing - have you ever seen a motor driven rock chain saw in action?
I have seen a profile in massive limestone cut with such a saw - it is 25 meters wide and the surface toerlance is about 1 cm. After polishing, the tolerance would be down to perhaps 1 mm.

 

[The Last Conformist]

That's my point.
The people who were referred to as Semitc, their language was classified as Semantic. Wheras the Egyptians language is classified as Hamo-semantic, which is different from just Semantic.
The Egytpians has a great distaste of the Semitic peoples, especially after the Hyksos invasions during the second intermediate period.

You're quite wrong. Check up "Semantic" in a dictionary.

Also, the modern name for the family including the Semitic languages and Ancient Egyptian (and Berber and a bunch other language groups in northern Africa) is Afro-Asiatic.

 

[sourboy]

You have claimed that the Egyptians could not have built the GP and that they couldn’t have built things to the precision that was used in the GP. In fact, your whole argument rests on the bogus assumption that they were not capable of building them, therefore someone else must have. And guess what! M. Bauval provides so many answers.
Bauval’s BS is debunked here:
http://www.doernenburg.alien.de/alternativ/orion/ori00_e.php

No, I said they were not capable according to what Egyptologists say they had for tools and such. They, or someone shortly before them, created the Pyramids - and did so with much more knowledge then we give them credit for. And who is this Bauvel guy people keep talking about?

If the Egyptians didn’t build the pyramids, then who did? There is no evidence of an older civilization, especially one more advanced than Egypt. Therefore, you must attribute them to some other critters. Aliens and Atlanteans are all that’s left.

Wow, you really like to assume things. Just because evidence isn't found doesn't mean it didn't happen. How you can try to justify such a remark over a period of thousands of years baffles me - because surely the evidence would be lost over that time, at least in it's majority.

I don't know who built the Pyramids. What I do know is that it's likely the Egyptians or other race built them with technology and ideals far beyond what we give them credit for - not necessarily better then our own today. If you wish to deny the facts that stare you in the face & write off history as whatever propaganda you're fed, that's fine. I am merely pointing out flaws in the "accepted theory" that need to be given proper attention to - because they just might have something to say.

 

[betazed]

sourboy, there are no shafts anywhere in Egypt dug into massive granit rock that nobody can climb into!

i know nothing abot this so i could be wrong. But didn't they try to send a robot down a unexplored shaft?

 

[sourboy]

sourboy, there are no shafts anywhere in Egypt dug into massive granit rock that nobody can climb into!

Also building the Pyramids is EASILY within our industrial standards! EASILY! Our abilities to cut, polish and move stone is simply amazing - have you ever seen a motor driven rock chain saw in action?
I have seen a profile in massive limestone cut with such a saw - it is 25 meters wide and the surface toerlance is about 1 cm. After polishing, the tolerance would be down to perhaps 1 mm.

Polishing was not used back then, thus it is unfair to compare them. The 1 cm thing is ballpark to what the Pyramid reflects. I still am trying to get my book back for accurate numbers, but the reader won't put it down...

As far as easily, no. Can it be done with hard work? Yes.

I'm still checking on the shafts thing. I could be thinking of the one that the German scientist (forget the name off hand) sent a robot into. Either way, the point I was making was how did they make it so precise without the ability to get in there and have sufficient room to work, let alone bring proper lighting, etc?

 

[stormbind]

How do you know polishing wasn't used? The outer layer of the pyramids have been stolen. They used to be white.

 

[The Last Conformist]

There's plenty of polished Ancient Egyptian stonework anyway.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

That's my point.
Wheras the Egyptians language is classified as Hamo-semantic, which is different from just Semantic.

The Hamitic and Semitic peoples still had a common ancestral background, though.

 

[sourboy]

Well the basics were there, but if you want to add polishing to the mix - considering the large scale requirement the Pyramids would pose - then it's all the more reason to back my initial point.

 

[Amenhotep7]

Polishing WAS used. And it was quite simple.

 

[sourboy]

Yes, polishing was used - but to polish every stone in the Pyramid is a huge undertaking - especially when polished to such a fine degree of precision.