TheOverseer714
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Got it, will start Friday.
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TheOverseer714
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Finished my turns, will post results in a little while.
Edit: I was most dissatisfied with this turnset, the catapults were almost useless, and the ansars were very poor against entrenched muskets. I think the next war should go better, when we will have cavalry. Just be aware that Carthage has tons of defenders, so allot at least 6 cavalry for each city, if not more. Also, upgrade those worthless catapults.
Here is my turnlog:
The save:
Edit: I was most dissatisfied with this turnset, the catapults were almost useless, and the ansars were very poor against entrenched muskets. I think the next war should go better, when we will have cavalry. Just be aware that Carthage has tons of defenders, so allot at least 6 cavalry for each city, if not more. Also, upgrade those worthless catapults.
Here is my turnlog:
Spoiler :
The save:
Well, any progress against Carthage is good. We got out before they could do much, we'll do better with cavalry, and we're almost to cavalry. Since Carthage has no saltpeter, we won't even have to worry about their cavalry.
Congratulations on getting rid of Russia.
Remember, this is PTW, so artillery units don't do well against cities. I'll upgrade catapults to cannons, but this won't help a lot when attacking cities. They are much better at pinging units in the open.
We might as well fill the army with cavalry. Is it worth building the heroic epic or the military academy? My inclination is not to build either one. We don't need armies, as PTW armies stink. We don't need leaders; Bach's would be nice, but not necessary, and Carthage has built us everything else.
I've got the save. I should be able to play tomorrow.
Congratulations on getting rid of Russia.
Remember, this is PTW, so artillery units don't do well against cities. I'll upgrade catapults to cannons, but this won't help a lot when attacking cities. They are much better at pinging units in the open.
We might as well fill the army with cavalry. Is it worth building the heroic epic or the military academy? My inclination is not to build either one. We don't need armies, as PTW armies stink. We don't need leaders; Bach's would be nice, but not necessary, and Carthage has built us everything else.
I've got the save. I should be able to play tomorrow.
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
Eek! You are brave attacking muskets and knights with ansars. Some progress is better than none, but I would have waited for cav. At least now Carthage will be slightly weaker for our grand coalition against them. I hope that is still in the works for when we have cannons and cav?
Armies are weaker in PTW, but cav armies are still nice to have. I'd go for military academy so we can rush armies if we want them.
Armies are weaker in PTW, but cav armies are still nice to have. I'd go for military academy so we can rush armies if we want them.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
I'm sure it will be over before the IA. IIRC Carthage is the most technologically advanced with Banking and Astro but lacking Chem.
That gives them:
Chem, Metallurgy, Physics, Magnets, and one other tech whose name escapes me atm = 5 techs to research, 20 turns @ 4-turn research. I don't think they're researching that fast
At worst, I'd expect them to get Rifles halfway through our next war with them
Japan is the next biggest player, and I'd peg them as being maybe 70-80% of Carthage. They might get Rifles if we leave them for last in our wars of conquest, but I'm not too worried.
Is this game going to go long enough that we'll care about Rails?
That gives them:
Chem, Metallurgy, Physics, Magnets, and one other tech whose name escapes me atm = 5 techs to research, 20 turns @ 4-turn research. I don't think they're researching that fast
At worst, I'd expect them to get Rifles halfway through our next war with themJapan is the next biggest player, and I'd peg them as being maybe 70-80% of Carthage. They might get Rifles if we leave them for last in our wars of conquest, but I'm not too worried.
Is this game going to go long enough that we'll care about Rails?
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
I think it will last just long enough for one or two end wars with the AIs that are left. I am still skeptical about cavs vs muskets. 6vs4 is not so good if they get a 50% from walls or hills or size 7 plus 25% from fortifying, that makes them def 7. greater than 50% casualties is kinda steep for a quick victory. Cannons can improve that but are slow, need protection, and we get WW in a slow war.
For 200 shields (?) I think HE is worth it to increase the chance of getting leaders. Armies are no where near as good as C3C but at least the AI will avoid attacking it. I don't know about bothering with the MA or rushing armies. I don't think we need them; but extra leaders can rush all sorts of things and armies are okay if only because they are walking roadblocks. We could use it to make a funnel of doom for Japan, start a 'fake' war with them and pick off some units to keep them weak, fish for leaders, give our catapults/cannons something to shoot at without slowing our Cavalry. When we have the strength we can renew the push into Carthage with our Cav units. If Japan loses steam we can push out there, units permitting.
Unless we start units into Japan soon, or start building a small fleet to cross from west to east, just the time it takes us to move units might put us into the IA (assuming we keep researching). A backbone of rails is probably all we'll need to put the lid on this game, though.
Whether Carthage & Japan get there depends on how well they trade.
Unless we start units into Japan soon, or start building a small fleet to cross from west to east, just the time it takes us to move units might put us into the IA (assuming we keep researching). A backbone of rails is probably all we'll need to put the lid on this game, though.
Whether Carthage & Japan get there depends on how well they trade.
We are back at war with Carthage. Japan, Iroquois, and Rome were also at war with them, but Rome has just made peace. We can buy Rome back into the war for iron if we like. (Rome was not allied against them; Rome was already at war when Carthage declared on us.)
We haven't seen any real counterattack from Carthage, despite being weak militarily to them. Something is screwy here. We've taken six cities from them pretty easily. Maybe they were all tied up with Rome, and we'll see some if we don't buy Rome back in.
No Japanese troops have headed west. A couple of roman troops have; perhaps they've blocked the way, but I haven't seen any Japanese movement at all.
We need to get some troops to the east, in case the Japanese decide to move against us. I've started moving a couple of units that way. Also I've put two MI in a boat to send toward New Orleans.
I haven't done a lot of rushing; I've upgraded a lot. We are making 400 gpt, so the next player can do some rushing as desired.
We haven't seen any real counterattack from Carthage, despite being weak militarily to them. Something is screwy here. We've taken six cities from them pretty easily. Maybe they were all tied up with Rome, and we'll see some if we don't buy Rome back in.
No Japanese troops have headed west. A couple of roman troops have; perhaps they've blocked the way, but I haven't seen any Japanese movement at all.
We need to get some troops to the east, in case the Japanese decide to move against us. I've started moving a couple of units that way. Also I've put two MI in a boat to send toward New Orleans.
I haven't done a lot of rushing; I've upgraded a lot. We are making 400 gpt, so the next player can do some rushing as desired.
Spoiler :
I'm at work so I can't look at the save. 
Sounds like things are going pretty well. Any chance we are finally average vs Carthage?
Looks like creamcheese is up next!
ROSTER:
-Raliuven (on deck)
-Elephantium
-TheOverseer714
-CKS (just played)
-creamcheese (Playing)
Sounds like things are going pretty well. Any chance we are finally average vs Carthage?
Looks like creamcheese is up next!
ROSTER:
-Raliuven (on deck)
-Elephantium
-TheOverseer714
-CKS (just played)
-creamcheese (Playing)
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Very nice progress 
I think we should set up a stack of 4 Cavs, 4 Muskets, and half a dozen Cannon on the hill outside of Rouen, then declare on Japan. They'll rush their units straight into the killing zone, letting us bleed their strength in advance of a major offensive once we're done with Carthage.
I think we should set up a stack of 4 Cavs, 4 Muskets, and half a dozen Cannon on the hill outside of Rouen, then declare on Japan. They'll rush their units straight into the killing zone, letting us bleed their strength in advance of a major offensive once we're done with Carthage.
@Raliuven: Nope. We are still weak vs Carthage. I saw almost nothing from them, though - two knights and two longbows attacked me, with towns having 2 or three defenders (mostly muskets, but several NM). This really bugs me. I don't know if my military adviser is lying to me or if they really have a huge military somewhere else. We've got 26 cavs and 12 MDI; what can they possibly have hidden that makes us weak? And why are they letting us just take city after city if they do have a military?
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
Very nice progress
I think we should set up a stack of 4 Cavs, 4 Muskets, and half a dozen Cannon on the hill outside of Rouen, then declare on Japan. They'll rush their units straight into the killing zone, letting us bleed their strength in advance of a major offensive once we're done with Carthage.
I think I will wait on this until we are average vs Carthage, just in case they really do have a stack of doom come out of nowhere. The use of the chokepoint is a good idea though, hell I could build some fortesses
.I saw lots of Carthaginian Knights on my turns, I don't know where they went. Maybe they are stuck in one of those AI indecision loops moving back and forth in between enemies turn after turn.
This is my 'got it' by the way. I will have time to play on wednesday (tomorrow).
EDIT: did we eventually build the FP somewhere? Or did I miss that in someone's log?
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
I rushed the FP in Paris using a Leader.
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
A somewhat depressing set of turns, although some progress has been made, and I think Carthage is gassed.
Turn Log:
Okay I lost a lot of units to Carthage's somewhat effective 3 army counter-attack, and had to abandon a city, but I took Sun Tzu's and that has helped a bit. Carthage is probably gassed, but I would be careful about advancing without muskets guarding your stacks. Cav getting picked off by MDI and longbows was getting annoying. There is an unmoved artillery stack at Lugdunum that can advance somewhere. I was too disheartened in that sector to do anything else.
The reason Japan hasn't helped us at all is that Carthage has/had some cities over on their peninsula. One is left, so they won't come in time to help us out.
Also, St. Regis flipping is really annoying, and war weariness is hitting us hard. Oh, and I landed some troops to finish off the USA.
Turn Log:
Spoiler :
! Others come out of fog.
. I shout "Bring it down!" at the top of my lungs and commence bombardment. Got it down to 4/12 and the musket under it to 2/3. Kill it with a cav! We are Average vs Carthage 
! Lose 4 cav attacking Theveste, take city with army. Take Saldae, no losses.
Okay I lost a lot of units to Carthage's somewhat effective 3 army counter-attack, and had to abandon a city, but I took Sun Tzu's and that has helped a bit. Carthage is probably gassed, but I would be careful about advancing without muskets guarding your stacks. Cav getting picked off by MDI and longbows was getting annoying. There is an unmoved artillery stack at Lugdunum that can advance somewhere. I was too disheartened in that sector to do anything else.
The reason Japan hasn't helped us at all is that Carthage has/had some cities over on their peninsula. One is left, so they won't come in time to help us out.
Also, St. Regis flipping is really annoying, and war weariness is hitting us hard. Oh, and I landed some troops to finish off the USA.
It sounds like Carthage was involved with Rome, then, and when they made peace, we got the units. That is strange - usually when the AI is at war with me and somebody else, it seems like they prefer to attack me.
Finally we are average vs Carthage! And they've lost half their land since this war started, so we've made good progress. I'm sorry you had to deal with the large counter attacks and war weariness, creamcheese.
The Iroquois have silks we could trade for to ease our war weariness, since we don't want to make peace until our alliances expire. I think the Japanese are next on our agenda, so signing a 20 turn deal with the Iroquois shouldn't be an issue.
Finally we are average vs Carthage! And they've lost half their land since this war started, so we've made good progress. I'm sorry you had to deal with the large counter attacks and war weariness, creamcheese.
The Iroquois have silks we could trade for to ease our war weariness, since we don't want to make peace until our alliances expire. I think the Japanese are next on our agenda, so signing a 20 turn deal with the Iroquois shouldn't be an issue.
Very nice! Finally average! Good job!
I don't have time tonight to look at it, but I've got the save. I will play tomorrow.
**Edit**
Okay, I did take just a peek.
Iro wont trade silks for our spices and gems straight up. The best I can do is they throw in silk, banking and astro for metal, gems and spices. They also have some gp & gpt they could thrown in as a substitute.
Japan will trade Banking, Astro, PP, WM & 13gp. They would do gpt but since they are our next traget, that's probably not wise.
Rome and France have little to offer and america will proably be dead next turn.
So the question is, should I trade Metal to get us caught up and to capture as much income as possible? Or do we reserve this trade to keep the AI further from Cavs.
Japan has two horses that I can see - one is pretty close to us and a maurading army could disconnect that. The other is up by New Orleans, where we conveniently have troops that could destroy Toyama - not that that city is connected to the rest of Japan at the moment. Same for salt. The salt is even closer to our armies and would probably fall with Yokohama. The other source is up north and not even in a city radius yet.
The Iroquois have both horses and salt but I don't think that small civ is going to give us much trouble. Cathage has neither.
By the way, I just checked and our advisor is saying we are Strong vs Carthage. Way to go creamcheese!
I don't have time tonight to look at it, but I've got the save. I will play tomorrow.
**Edit**
Okay, I did take just a peek.
Iro wont trade silks for our spices and gems straight up. The best I can do is they throw in silk, banking and astro for metal, gems and spices. They also have some gp & gpt they could thrown in as a substitute.
Japan will trade Banking, Astro, PP, WM & 13gp. They would do gpt but since they are our next traget, that's probably not wise.
Rome and France have little to offer and america will proably be dead next turn.
So the question is, should I trade Metal to get us caught up and to capture as much income as possible? Or do we reserve this trade to keep the AI further from Cavs.
Japan has two horses that I can see - one is pretty close to us and a maurading army could disconnect that. The other is up by New Orleans, where we conveniently have troops that could destroy Toyama - not that that city is connected to the rest of Japan at the moment. Same for salt. The salt is even closer to our armies and would probably fall with Yokohama. The other source is up north and not even in a city radius yet.
The Iroquois have both horses and salt but I don't think that small civ is going to give us much trouble. Cathage has neither.
By the way, I just checked and our advisor is saying we are Strong vs Carthage. Way to go creamcheese!
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
If cities keep flipping to the Iros we might want them back on our agenda...
I was using the slider to make happiness since we aren't using it for anything else. We are religious, and we could switch I suppose. It is worst in our corrupt cities where I have to use entertainers since the slider does nothing to help. Some are starving, but its not like that is an issue really, just very depressing to deal with while playing.
I guess I did better than I feel like I did, but it still was hard slugging compared to my 1 ansar lost in the US campaign.
EDIT; I forgot to mention the funny looks I got from my roommate and his friend when I yelled "bring it down" at that army.
I was using the slider to make happiness since we aren't using it for anything else. We are religious, and we could switch I suppose. It is worst in our corrupt cities where I have to use entertainers since the slider does nothing to help. Some are starving, but its not like that is an issue really, just very depressing to deal with while playing.
I guess I did better than I feel like I did, but it still was hard slugging compared to my 1 ansar lost in the US campaign.
EDIT; I forgot to mention the funny looks I got from my roommate and his friend when I yelled "bring it down" at that army.
I don't know if it is worth trading away metallurgy for silks.
Remember, samurai don't require horses, so disconnecting Japan's horses doesn't do much for us. And since samurai are defense 4, disconnecting saltpeter doesn't do much for us either. Still, I think Elephantium's proposal will take care of any spare units they have.
Remember, samurai don't require horses, so disconnecting Japan's horses doesn't do much for us. And since samurai are defense 4, disconnecting saltpeter doesn't do much for us either. Still, I think Elephantium's proposal will take care of any spare units they have.
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