Rat-32 3BC AW as Persia
- Thread starter ThERat
- Start date
700 AD (0)
MM cities, Construction now due in 10 turns
710 AD (1)
Cyrus builds 2nd Immortals army
Bombard Carthage, kill one Numidian
Bombard Greek iron, road is destroyed
IT: Pharsalos DEPOSED, Tamuin riots due to loss of Gems
The Great Library has been completed... in Delhi
720 AD (2)
MM cities to prevent further riots
IT: The Greeks are building Sistine Chapel
The Aztecs are building Sun Tzu's
730 AD (3)
Bombard Pharsalos, 2nd Immortals army recaptures the city
Bombard Carthage, kill another Numidian
Elite Horse victorious: Welcome, Archaemenes!
740 AD (4)
Capture Carthage
750 AD (5)
2nd Immortals army kills two Hoplites in Knossos
Locate Leptis Magna (new capital) and Theveste, both have Dyes
IT: Indian Galley approaches
760 AD (6)
DOW on India
Achaemenes forms 3rd Immortals army
Cats 4/4 to redline two units in Knossos
Elite horse victorious: Welcome, Darius!
2nd Immortals army captures Knossos, 1 slave
IT: Construction >> Map Making
Forbidden Palace complete
770 AD (7)
Darius hurries Pentagon in Teoti
Prepare for assault on Malinalco, Theveste
780 AD (8)
Kill two hoplites in Malinalco, redlined MDI remains
Cats 4/4 at Theveste to redline both defenders
Elite and Vet Immortals capture Theveste, 2 slaves
1st Immortals army advances to locate Hippo
IT: GA has ended
790 AD (9)
1st Immortals army kills a Numidian in Hippo
2nd Immortals army captures Malinalco
800 AD (10)
Bombardment reveals three Numidians in Leptis Major
3rd Immortals army kills two of them
2nd Immortals army captures Hippo
I took a chance, crossing a river, but only managed to promote the last defender of Leptis Major
MM Notes:
A lone scientist will complete research of Map Making this turn. Other would-be scientists are temporarily acting as taxmen.
Tralala - Nearby irrigation will leave Aqueduct 1 shield short. Move to forest for one turn after road is complete
Some builds should be changed to Harbor/Galley. A marketplace in Iron at last probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
MM cities, Construction now due in 10 turns
710 AD (1)
Cyrus builds 2nd Immortals army
Bombard Carthage, kill one Numidian
Bombard Greek iron, road is destroyed
IT: Pharsalos DEPOSED, Tamuin riots due to loss of Gems
The Great Library has been completed... in Delhi
720 AD (2)
MM cities to prevent further riots
IT: The Greeks are building Sistine Chapel
The Aztecs are building Sun Tzu's
730 AD (3)
Bombard Pharsalos, 2nd Immortals army recaptures the city
Bombard Carthage, kill another Numidian
Elite Horse victorious: Welcome, Archaemenes!
740 AD (4)
Capture Carthage
750 AD (5)
2nd Immortals army kills two Hoplites in Knossos
Locate Leptis Magna (new capital) and Theveste, both have Dyes
IT: Indian Galley approaches
760 AD (6)
DOW on India
Achaemenes forms 3rd Immortals army
Cats 4/4 to redline two units in Knossos
Elite horse victorious: Welcome, Darius!
2nd Immortals army captures Knossos, 1 slave
IT: Construction >> Map Making
Forbidden Palace complete
770 AD (7)
Darius hurries Pentagon in Teoti
Prepare for assault on Malinalco, Theveste
780 AD (8)
Kill two hoplites in Malinalco, redlined MDI remains
Cats 4/4 at Theveste to redline both defenders
Elite and Vet Immortals capture Theveste, 2 slaves
1st Immortals army advances to locate Hippo
IT: GA has ended
790 AD (9)
1st Immortals army kills a Numidian in Hippo
2nd Immortals army captures Malinalco
800 AD (10)
Bombardment reveals three Numidians in Leptis Major
3rd Immortals army kills two of them
2nd Immortals army captures Hippo
I took a chance, crossing a river, but only managed to promote the last defender of Leptis Major
MM Notes:
A lone scientist will complete research of Map Making this turn. Other would-be scientists are temporarily acting as taxmen.
Tralala - Nearby irrigation will leave Aqueduct 1 shield short. Move to forest for one turn after road is complete
Some builds should be changed to Harbor/Galley. A marketplace in Iron at last probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
Condor_green
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very nice job, keep up the good work
ThERat
Deity
We should not fill the armies with 4 units unless we have done so already. We will need to get across the sea sooner than expected I reckon.
In fact, I would leave the next army empty and sail across with a galleys. India can't be that far away and we might want to capture the Glib...
anyway great progress from the sound of it
Roster
Greebley
Mathias
TheOverseer - up
ThERat
el_filet
Elephantinum
In fact, I would leave the next army empty and sail across with a galleys. India can't be that far away and we might want to capture the Glib...
anyway great progress from the sound of it
Roster
Greebley
Mathias
TheOverseer - up
ThERat
el_filet
Elephantinum
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Great progress!
btw, I may need a skip this round - I'll be Civ-less 'til Dec 1.
btw, I may need a skip this round - I'll be Civ-less 'til Dec 1.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
I'm still up in another game, hopefully I'll finish that soon. I can get this possibly tomorrow.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
Finally finished. Highlights are: Carthage is gone, Aztecs are a settler on a redlined Galley, Greeks are down to 2 cities and we got a nice bonus at Athens. We are in the Middle Ages, but still way behind. The other continent has India, Spain, Babylon and Germany, the latter 2 strangely unmet. Here is my turn-log:
Spoiler :
ThERat
Deity
sounds excellent!
ToA and Sun tzu will get us a long way, especially as we should plan to research up to MT first before anything else (with maybe chivalry inserted)
got it
ToA and Sun tzu will get us a long way, especially as we should plan to research up to MT first before anything else (with maybe chivalry inserted)
got it
ThERat
Deity
Pre-Turn
change some stuff from mil to infra buildings, some courts would do us good
reduce lux to 10%, increase science to 70% and we save a turn to feudalism
IT we defeat a Greek caravel but Sparta deposes us
1. 910AD
get Sparta back
approach Thermopylae
2. 920AD
start to attack Thermopylae, spot Greeks last city, Corinth
IT Greeks still have knights and send 2 of them towards Athens
we get feudalism, engineering next in 6
Bach and Cops get started, are we a little behind?
3. 930AD
take Thermopylae, take out both knights next to Athens and start to attack Corinth
take out a landed Indian sword next to Athens as well
4. 940AD
take Corinth and Greece is gone, now we can quell all resistors and spread our armies
IT huge round of border expansions which will disturb all MM
Spain seems to be the runaway civ and finishes Cops
5. 950AD
we meet the totally back ward Germany
well, they got only 2 cities
reduce lux to 0% with 5 luxes and ToA, we should be able to maintain that
building markets will also help
science to 90% and engineering due in 3
IT Sparta is the new attraction for the AI, 3 units landed there
6. 960AD
most of the catapults are still around the area, so we can clear 3 units
and yes, we get a much needed leader, but first we must know where to send the potential army
send MGL to Iron at last and form an army, empty of course
explore German island
7. 970AD
meet Babylon, which is also on that Island
they have 9 cities and have chivalry over us
IT it's clear that Spain, Babylon and Germany are in the west, while India comes from the east
we get engineering, chivalry for knights next at a handsome surplus in 4
8. 980AD
find out that none of the AI has even engineering, that's good
send a suicide galley towards where I think India could be
IT Spain starts Magellan, but doesn't even have engineering? weird
we lose the suicide galley
9. 990AD
sink the Aztec galley, but they have another city
10. 1000AD
our capital is finally at 15spt for 2 turn immortal or pikes
ok, so here is what I suggest:
build up a force of pikes and then at least 3-5 knights
we land the pikes and loose knights on German hilly soil
we hope to be able to survive the onslaught, the next turn a 1 knight army is landed
immediately we can fill the army with 2 previously landed knights
this is the only way it works
as for research I suggest to get up to MT first before going for education as the ToA is great
change some stuff from mil to infra buildings, some courts would do us good
reduce lux to 10%, increase science to 70% and we save a turn to feudalism
IT we defeat a Greek caravel but Sparta deposes us
1. 910AD
get Sparta back
approach Thermopylae
2. 920AD
start to attack Thermopylae, spot Greeks last city, Corinth
IT Greeks still have knights and send 2 of them towards Athens
we get feudalism, engineering next in 6
Bach and Cops get started, are we a little behind?
3. 930AD
take Thermopylae, take out both knights next to Athens and start to attack Corinth
take out a landed Indian sword next to Athens as well
4. 940AD
take Corinth and Greece is gone, now we can quell all resistors and spread our armies
IT huge round of border expansions which will disturb all MM
Spain seems to be the runaway civ and finishes Cops
5. 950AD
we meet the totally back ward Germany
well, they got only 2 cities
reduce lux to 0% with 5 luxes and ToA, we should be able to maintain that
building markets will also help
science to 90% and engineering due in 3
IT Sparta is the new attraction for the AI, 3 units landed there
6. 960AD
most of the catapults are still around the area, so we can clear 3 units
and yes, we get a much needed leader, but first we must know where to send the potential army
send MGL to Iron at last and form an army, empty of course
explore German island
7. 970AD
meet Babylon, which is also on that Island
they have 9 cities and have chivalry over us
IT it's clear that Spain, Babylon and Germany are in the west, while India comes from the east
we get engineering, chivalry for knights next at a handsome surplus in 4
8. 980AD
find out that none of the AI has even engineering, that's good
send a suicide galley towards where I think India could be
IT Spain starts Magellan, but doesn't even have engineering? weird
we lose the suicide galley
9. 990AD
sink the Aztec galley, but they have another city
10. 1000AD
our capital is finally at 15spt for 2 turn immortal or pikes
ok, so here is what I suggest:
build up a force of pikes and then at least 3-5 knights
we land the pikes and loose knights on German hilly soil
we hope to be able to survive the onslaught, the next turn a 1 knight army is landed
immediately we can fill the army with 2 previously landed knights
this is the only way it works
as for research I suggest to get up to MT first before going for education as the ToA is great
ThERat
Deity
Roster
Greebley
Mathias
TheOverseer
ThERat
el_filet - can you take it?
Elephantinum - back on Dec 1st
Greebley
Mathias
TheOverseer
ThERat
el_filet - can you take it?
Elephantinum - back on Dec 1st
el_filet
Prince
PC is running again, but can't find CDs to reinstall civ since moving. I'll keep looking of course, but it's been a while already, don't wait for me.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
If we go up the Military Tradition path, the only thing we'll need on the upper path is Astronomy which gets us Caravels. If we capture the GLib, it will give us those techs we missed and then its done, as will the ToA. Meanwhile, we capture the world with a swarm of Galleys. I'm glad that the Greeks are gone, those flips were getting old fast. What I didnt see in the turn-log was, what happened to the Aztecs on their little boat?
Last I saw, they were offshore of Athens.
Last I saw, they were offshore of Athens.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I should be able to play a set tomorrow night.
ThERat
Deity
Tha Aztec boat was sunk but they have another city elsewhere, but we don't know where it is.
Flip risk is small though and shouldn't be an issue with all the culture we make now due to ToA.
Flip risk is small though and shouldn't be an issue with all the culture we make now due to ToA.
Great work guys.
If anyone has a chance to check the map with seed-beast I would be curious to know what kind of map it is. It was supposed to be Pangea but the disconnect is odd. So is it an odd shaped pangea (cut in half) or did I make a mistake somewhere(always possible)?
Everyone remember that Spain's 6 move UU will be around when we cross? Don't leave things exposed. Also watch out because Conquistador landing on our continent can make defense really hard if we don't have sufficient units to either kill it or to defend every city within 6.
If anyone has a chance to check the map with seed-beast I would be curious to know what kind of map it is. It was supposed to be Pangea but the disconnect is odd. So is it an odd shaped pangea (cut in half) or did I make a mistake somewhere(always possible)?
Everyone remember that Spain's 6 move UU will be around when we cross? Don't leave things exposed. Also watch out because Conquistador landing on our continent can make defense really hard if we don't have sufficient units to either kill it or to defend every city within 6.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
Yes, the Conquistador has been a pain in the rear defending against in previous efforts, they can dart out of the shadows and steal workers or undefended catapults, since those 6 moves are regardless of terrain or foreign territory. A very under-rated unit, hopefully we won't see many.
Edit: Civassist 2 considers it a Pangaea. I guess our Pangaea is broken up, sort of into uhhh Continents.
Edit: Civassist 2 considers it a Pangaea. I guess our Pangaea is broken up, sort of into uhhh Continents.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Pre-turn:
Look around, change a few geeks to taxmen. Otherwise, things look good. I'm assuming that the Army near No Loco is for Knights once we have 'em.
IT:
Watch lots of Galleys go zooming around.
Teoti: Pikes
Arbela: Pikes
Antioch: Pikes
Turn 1 (1010 AD):
Change Teoti to Wealth to avoid spending a forest chop on a Pike.
Upgrade a spear to Pike near the continental crossing.
IT:
Chivalry->Invention
(change build orders to Knights instead of Pikes)
Pharsalos: Trebs
Tula: Harbor->Galley
Turn 2 (1020 AD):
MMing and moving troops.
IT:
Zzz...
Turn 3 (1030 AD):
Zzz...
IT:
Spanish troops land on the NE coast.
Tralala: Courthouse->Knight
Leptis Magna and Iron at Last both riot
Lose a Galley in the sea.
Turn 4 (1040 AD):
Upgrade a Horse to a Knight and bombard some Bab Galleys.
Immo army kills one of the Spaniards. (1-0)
IT:
Pasargadae: Knights
Texcoco: Courthouse->Mkt
Antioch: Knights
Turn 5 (1050 AD):
Army kills other Spaniard (2-0)
Sci slider to 70%, Invention still due in 2.
IT:
Spain lands more troops.
Arbela: Knights
Theveste: Treb->Mkt
Tamuin: Mkt->Knight
Turn 6 (1060 AD):
Kill the Conquistador and Horseman that Spain landed (4-0).
Hurry a Galley in Tzin.
IT:
More Spaniards land. Oh, joy.
Invention->Gunpowder
Tzin: Galleys
Babs start Bach's.
Turn 7 (1070 AD):
Sci slider to 90%, Gunpowder due in 5 at -51 gpt.
IT:
Teoti: Knights
Turn 8 (1080 AD):
Upgrade a Spear to a Pike.
Load the first Knight into the Army.
Hurry a Galley in Tlacopan.
IT:
Monkey's Paw: Mkt->Knight
Tlacopan: Galleys
Antioch: Knights
Turn 9 (1090 AD):
Move troops.
IT:
Athens: Workers
Pasargadae: Knights
Delphi: Trebs
Tralala: Knights
Tula: Galleys
Palace expansion.
Turn 10 (1100 AD):
Upgrade another Spear to Pike in Tlacopan.
The lone worker by the capital is intended to road and mine one of the mountain squares there - the capital is currently working an unimproved mountain!
I'm ready for a risky invasion of Babylon - but we might want to wait another half a turnset to amass another 4 Pikes in two more Galleys. Regardless of when we want to invade, I have 4 loaded Galleys fortified in Tlacopan. They can be launched as early as this turn. I left the Knight Army out of hte Galleys because I didn't want to risk it on the beachhead.
The Galley near Berlin carries a decoy spear - drop him far away from our intended landing zone.
Look around, change a few geeks to taxmen. Otherwise, things look good. I'm assuming that the Army near No Loco is for Knights once we have 'em.
IT:
Watch lots of Galleys go zooming around.
Teoti: Pikes
Arbela: Pikes
Antioch: Pikes
Turn 1 (1010 AD):
Change Teoti to Wealth to avoid spending a forest chop on a Pike.
Upgrade a spear to Pike near the continental crossing.
IT:
Chivalry->Invention
(change build orders to Knights instead of Pikes)
Pharsalos: Trebs
Tula: Harbor->Galley
Turn 2 (1020 AD):
MMing and moving troops.
IT:
Zzz...
Turn 3 (1030 AD):
Zzz...
IT:
Spanish troops land on the NE coast.
Tralala: Courthouse->Knight
Leptis Magna and Iron at Last both riot
Lose a Galley in the sea.
Turn 4 (1040 AD):
Upgrade a Horse to a Knight and bombard some Bab Galleys.
Immo army kills one of the Spaniards. (1-0)
IT:
Pasargadae: Knights
Texcoco: Courthouse->Mkt
Antioch: Knights
Turn 5 (1050 AD):
Army kills other Spaniard (2-0)
Sci slider to 70%, Invention still due in 2.
IT:
Spain lands more troops.
Arbela: Knights
Theveste: Treb->Mkt
Tamuin: Mkt->Knight
Turn 6 (1060 AD):
Kill the Conquistador and Horseman that Spain landed (4-0).
Hurry a Galley in Tzin.
IT:
More Spaniards land. Oh, joy.
Invention->Gunpowder
Tzin: Galleys
Babs start Bach's.
Turn 7 (1070 AD):
Sci slider to 90%, Gunpowder due in 5 at -51 gpt.
IT:
Teoti: Knights
Turn 8 (1080 AD):
Upgrade a Spear to a Pike.
Load the first Knight into the Army.
Hurry a Galley in Tlacopan.
IT:
Monkey's Paw: Mkt->Knight
Tlacopan: Galleys
Antioch: Knights
Turn 9 (1090 AD):
Move troops.
IT:
Athens: Workers
Pasargadae: Knights
Delphi: Trebs
Tralala: Knights
Tula: Galleys
Palace expansion.
Turn 10 (1100 AD):
Upgrade another Spear to Pike in Tlacopan.
The lone worker by the capital is intended to road and mine one of the mountain squares there - the capital is currently working an unimproved mountain!
I'm ready for a risky invasion of Babylon - but we might want to wait another half a turnset to amass another 4 Pikes in two more Galleys. Regardless of when we want to invade, I have 4 loaded Galleys fortified in Tlacopan. They can be launched as early as this turn. I left the Knight Army out of hte Galleys because I didn't want to risk it on the beachhead.
The Galley near Berlin carries a decoy spear - drop him far away from our intended landing zone.
ThERat
Deity
I am so used to the long research times of the huge games, that 4 turn research and the like is so surprising. We seem to do very well and do not need the Glib in the end anyway as I don't think the AI is that fast.
I don't want us to artifiscially wait and do nothing much due to that. Only if we can reach India with galleys, might we delay education, I'd say.
Anyway, nice to get us almost ready for the drop off.
As I pointed out, get the knights to drop a turn before the army. We don't want the army to die uncessarly. I would drop them off the iorn hill in German land, the enemy might not reach us properly and Germany should be pretty weak to start with.
Roster
Greebley - up
Mathias
TheOverseer
ThERat
el_filet - tell us when you are back
Elephantinum
I don't want us to artifiscially wait and do nothing much due to that. Only if we can reach India with galleys, might we delay education, I'd say.
Anyway, nice to get us almost ready for the drop off.
As I pointed out, get the knights to drop a turn before the army. We don't want the army to die uncessarly. I would drop them off the iorn hill in German land, the enemy might not reach us properly and Germany should be pretty weak to start with.
Roster
Greebley - up
Mathias
TheOverseer
ThERat
el_filet - tell us when you are back
Elephantinum
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I was thinking of doing a 1-turn drop from Tlacopan to the hill south of Eulbar
Turn 1 - move galleys, drop Pikes on hill
Turn 2 - return galleys to Tlacopan, load with reinforcements
Turn 3 - drop reinforcements on the stack
Turn 4 - bombard Eulbar and (hopefully) take it.
Dropping on the hill SW of Konigsberg will slow the flow of reinforcements.
Though...we COULD drop most of our invasion force on the island SE of Konigsberg, then transfer units on and off the boats every turn. Thoughts?
Turn 1 - move galleys, drop Pikes on hill
Turn 2 - return galleys to Tlacopan, load with reinforcements
Turn 3 - drop reinforcements on the stack
Turn 4 - bombard Eulbar and (hopefully) take it.
Dropping on the hill SW of Konigsberg will slow the flow of reinforcements.
Though...we COULD drop most of our invasion force on the island SE of Konigsberg, then transfer units on and off the boats every turn. Thoughts?
