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Rat-32 3BC AW as Persia
- Thread starter ThERat
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Preturn: No mention of the two Indian Ancient Cavalry next to the empty city - a reason to always review the start before hitting enter - even good players can occasionally miss something. Kill one of the ACav with an Army
Looking over our position we have some vast Jungles in our lands. I think more workers would be a good idea.
Make some switches to certain towns for longer term gains. Some towns could become useful with courthouses, aquaducts, etc that are building units like trebs.
I decided to send the Army across right away. There is only 1 town in range and so the chances of all the Pikes being killed on that first turn seems small. If we land and try to hold, units get attracted first. The square I choose is the hardest to reach in 1 turn. No German units can reach it
IBT: We get NO units close enough to attack on the first turn, though some are coming.
1110 AD: Fill army. Will send over more units.
IBT: Large Spanish landing (6 units) near Corinth including a Conquistador which is a fortunate location as we have the ability to cover near towns.
Sparta get disease. Get Gunpowder - we have Saltpeter - one is under No Loco itself.
1120 AD: Going to get units over first before attacking the town. Land some Cats, Knights, Immortal.
Lower science to 70% to get Chem in 8.
Picture of our landings on their land and their landings on ours:
IBT: Our Army doesn't do so well against the landing and drops to 4 HP.
Two random Bowmen attack our army on the far shores.
Indian landing next to Spanish one.
1130 AD: Bringing more units over for now.
1140 AD: Kill 2 Spear in Eulbar. Kill off last Spanish and Indian units near Corinth.
IBT: Another landing of Indian units near Corinth.
1150 AD: Kill two Indian ACav near Corinth. Raise scient to try to get Chem a turn earlier.
Bombardment on Eulbar does terrible. No attacks.
1160 AD: Kill 3 units in Eulbar. Not sure yet if I would keep it if I captured it or raze it.
IBT: Another Landing
1170 AD: Capture Eulbar to see what happens. Babylon has not had speed 2 units so far though it does have horses.
IBT: Landing near Thermopylae by Spanish.
1180 AD: Get a leader attacking units around Eulbar and make a second Knight Army.
Landing cleared.
1190 AD: Kill a few units around the city. Civ assist has max flip chance of 0.0% so I am keeping the city and starting to starve it down.
IBT: Nothing major for attacks.
1200 AD: Kill some German units next to the city.
Notes:
We are currently handling the rush of Babylon and German units. I have been mostly defending because we can't get many units down below 2 hp for regular attacks. We could use more Trebs, but probably won't get them in time.
Size 12 cities are popping off workers so they can continue to grow.
I have had one Army healing so that it will be at full health if a lot of units attack (both armies attacking and you can have them both drop to low health and neither heal).
Looking over our position we have some vast Jungles in our lands. I think more workers would be a good idea.
Make some switches to certain towns for longer term gains. Some towns could become useful with courthouses, aquaducts, etc that are building units like trebs.
I decided to send the Army across right away. There is only 1 town in range and so the chances of all the Pikes being killed on that first turn seems small. If we land and try to hold, units get attracted first. The square I choose is the hardest to reach in 1 turn. No German units can reach it
IBT: We get NO units close enough to attack on the first turn, though some are coming.
1110 AD: Fill army. Will send over more units.
IBT: Large Spanish landing (6 units) near Corinth including a Conquistador which is a fortunate location as we have the ability to cover near towns.
Sparta get disease. Get Gunpowder - we have Saltpeter - one is under No Loco itself.
1120 AD: Going to get units over first before attacking the town. Land some Cats, Knights, Immortal.
Lower science to 70% to get Chem in 8.
Picture of our landings on their land and their landings on ours:
IBT: Our Army doesn't do so well against the landing and drops to 4 HP.
Two random Bowmen attack our army on the far shores.
Indian landing next to Spanish one.
1130 AD: Bringing more units over for now.
1140 AD: Kill 2 Spear in Eulbar. Kill off last Spanish and Indian units near Corinth.
IBT: Another landing of Indian units near Corinth.
1150 AD: Kill two Indian ACav near Corinth. Raise scient to try to get Chem a turn earlier.
Bombardment on Eulbar does terrible. No attacks.
1160 AD: Kill 3 units in Eulbar. Not sure yet if I would keep it if I captured it or raze it.
IBT: Another Landing
1170 AD: Capture Eulbar to see what happens. Babylon has not had speed 2 units so far though it does have horses.
IBT: Landing near Thermopylae by Spanish.
1180 AD: Get a leader attacking units around Eulbar and make a second Knight Army.
Landing cleared.
1190 AD: Kill a few units around the city. Civ assist has max flip chance of 0.0% so I am keeping the city and starting to starve it down.
IBT: Nothing major for attacks.
1200 AD: Kill some German units next to the city.
Notes:
We are currently handling the rush of Babylon and German units. I have been mostly defending because we can't get many units down below 2 hp for regular attacks. We could use more Trebs, but probably won't get them in time.
Size 12 cities are popping off workers so they can continue to grow.
I have had one Army healing so that it will be at full health if a lot of units attack (both armies attacking and you can have them both drop to low health and neither heal).
ThERat
Deity
yes, you are up Mathias
now with armies on the new continent, we should be doing good. If we feel the pressure is too high, we should abandon the city rather than sacrifice 2 armies.
As Greebley pointed out, one of the 2 defending armies must NOT move so it can heal completely during the IT.
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now with armies on the new continent, we should be doing good. If we feel the pressure is too high, we should abandon the city rather than sacrifice 2 armies.As Greebley pointed out, one of the 2 defending armies must NOT move so it can heal completely during the IT.
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Trampling the AI
1200 AD (0)
Check MM
Corinth, 90% corrupt, doesn't need Harbor. Switch to treb and starve one citizen for zero growth at size 2 with a specialist
Xo What? to build Courthouse before Marketplace
IT: Spain shows up next to Eulbar with two horses, forcing German horsemen to advance to the hill instead of attacking
1210 AD (1)
Bombard, kill Spanish horses, Bab pike at Eulbar (3 Elite victories, no leader)
Unload additional units in Eulbar
IT: Germany attacks Eulbar. Armies kill 7 horsemen and 7 swordsmen, dropping to 1 and 3 HP. Musket and pike kill another horse and sword.
Babylon knight steps out of fog, but cannot attack.
Babylon lands warrior, bowman next to Thermopylae
India unloads 2 AC at Eulbar
Spain begins Smith's
1220 AD (2)
Two more elite victories and the ACs are dead
Vet knights kill three Babylonian units
Crash Babylonian landing party
IT: Armies kill 3 German, 4 Babylonian units. India unloads 2 more AC
1230 AD (3)
Three more elite victories out of Eulbar, still no leader
Armies move out, kill 3 retreating Bab units
Immortals advance toward Germany
IT: Eulbar defenders kill 2 bowmen and retreat a knight
Babylon drops off two more units at Thermopylae
1240 AD (4)
Two elite victories, we get our next leader and form a third knight army
Armies kill a few German units, Immortals advance
Crash Babylonian landing party
-10% science to avoid bankruptcy, Metallurgy still in 2 turns
IT: Spain lands two units at Thermopylae
1250 AD (5)
Armies kill a few German units, Immortals advance
Elite victory out of Eulbar, get another leader and form empty army
Another elite victory, but we don't get the hat trick
Crash Spanish landing party
MM specialists for minimum overrun on Metallurgy
IT: Spain lands three units, Babs promote one of our knights
Metallurgy >> Military Tradition
India begins Smith's
1255 AD (6)
Lose two vet knights to a redlined pike on grass
Crash Spanish landing party
Sink a Babylonian galley, promoting ours
IT: Spain completes Magellan's
Indian caravel near Konigsberg
1260 AD (7)
Kill 10 spearmen in Konigsberg, capture the city with 1 loss.
IT: Spain lands 4 units at Thermopylae. Also has galley in south, near Tula
India lands 2 units near Konigsberg
1265 AD (8)
Two elite victories out of Eulbar, third leader this turnset.
Send leader to mainland to rush Military Academy, as we are at our current limit of 7 armies.
Crash Spanish landing party
IT: Spanish galley approaches Pasargadae
1270 AD (9)
Advance on Berlin
IT: Spanish galley, now near Leptis Minor, seems to be exploring
1275 AD (10)
Trebs 1/6, Cats 3/5 on Berlin; Immortals flawlessly defeat 3 spearmen.
GERMANY HAS BEEN DESTROYED!!!
Empty army is next to Pharsalos, Leader next to Iron at last.
I left a few knights unmoved in our core, as well as most of the units in Germany.
MM needs to be checked, especially our core cities. Pasargadae and Arbela should be able to get 20 spt for 4-turn cavalry. (MT due in 3)
The Indian caravel near Konigsberg is empty. An Aztec galley is also in that area. As previously stated, the Spanish galley near Leptis Minor seems to be exploring, but could potentially drop off a unit or two.
Check MM
Corinth, 90% corrupt, doesn't need Harbor. Switch to treb and starve one citizen for zero growth at size 2 with a specialist
Xo What? to build Courthouse before Marketplace
IT: Spain shows up next to Eulbar with two horses, forcing German horsemen to advance to the hill instead of attacking
1210 AD (1)
Bombard, kill Spanish horses, Bab pike at Eulbar (3 Elite victories, no leader)
Unload additional units in Eulbar
IT: Germany attacks Eulbar. Armies kill 7 horsemen and 7 swordsmen, dropping to 1 and 3 HP. Musket and pike kill another horse and sword.
Babylon knight steps out of fog, but cannot attack.
Babylon lands warrior, bowman next to Thermopylae
India unloads 2 AC at Eulbar
Spain begins Smith's
1220 AD (2)
Two more elite victories and the ACs are dead
Vet knights kill three Babylonian units
Crash Babylonian landing party
IT: Armies kill 3 German, 4 Babylonian units. India unloads 2 more AC
1230 AD (3)
Three more elite victories out of Eulbar, still no leader
Armies move out, kill 3 retreating Bab units
Immortals advance toward Germany
IT: Eulbar defenders kill 2 bowmen and retreat a knight
Babylon drops off two more units at Thermopylae
1240 AD (4)
Two elite victories, we get our next leader and form a third knight army
Armies kill a few German units, Immortals advance
Crash Babylonian landing party
-10% science to avoid bankruptcy, Metallurgy still in 2 turns
IT: Spain lands two units at Thermopylae
1250 AD (5)
Armies kill a few German units, Immortals advance
Elite victory out of Eulbar, get another leader and form empty army
Another elite victory, but we don't get the hat trick
Crash Spanish landing party
MM specialists for minimum overrun on Metallurgy
IT: Spain lands three units, Babs promote one of our knights
Metallurgy >> Military Tradition
India begins Smith's
1255 AD (6)
Lose two vet knights to a redlined pike on grass
Crash Spanish landing party
Sink a Babylonian galley, promoting ours
IT: Spain completes Magellan's
Indian caravel near Konigsberg
1260 AD (7)
Kill 10 spearmen in Konigsberg, capture the city with 1 loss.
IT: Spain lands 4 units at Thermopylae. Also has galley in south, near Tula
India lands 2 units near Konigsberg
1265 AD (8)
Two elite victories out of Eulbar, third leader this turnset.
Send leader to mainland to rush Military Academy, as we are at our current limit of 7 armies.
Crash Spanish landing party
IT: Spanish galley approaches Pasargadae
1270 AD (9)
Advance on Berlin
IT: Spanish galley, now near Leptis Minor, seems to be exploring
1275 AD (10)
Trebs 1/6, Cats 3/5 on Berlin; Immortals flawlessly defeat 3 spearmen.
GERMANY HAS BEEN DESTROYED!!!
Empty army is next to Pharsalos, Leader next to Iron at last.
I left a few knights unmoved in our core, as well as most of the units in Germany.
MM needs to be checked, especially our core cities. Pasargadae and Arbela should be able to get 20 spt for 4-turn cavalry. (MT due in 3)
The Indian caravel near Konigsberg is empty. An Aztec galley is also in that area. As previously stated, the Spanish galley near Leptis Minor seems to be exploring, but could potentially drop off a unit or two.
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Berlin is under heavy culture pressure ATM...
Nice progress.
Not sure we are going to need techs past Mil Tradition. I would say just turn off science when we get it - the game won't last long enough to make rails very useful. Grabbing the GLib will give us some techs if there are civs left.
Not sure we are going to need techs past Mil Tradition. I would say just turn off science when we get it - the game won't last long enough to make rails very useful. Grabbing the GLib will give us some techs if there are civs left.
ThERat
Deity
agree we could shut off research after MT until we grab the Glib. Most likely the game will be almost won by then if we continue with such success
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TheOverseer714
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Is TheRat up? I assumed I was. I have the save and can play any time.
ThERat
Deity
sorry, mistake, you are up
TheOverseer714
Overseer
I have finished my turn-set. The good news, Babylon is gone and we are well on our way to getting all non elite knights upgraded. The bad news, I still haven't found India or Spain, though I think they are west of the city of Babylon. With some targeted culture, we might just be able to win without invading either country, but I'm betting we'll have to. Here is the turn-log:
The save:
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The save:
ThERat
Deity
great progress...this land does surely not look like a pangaea..should we head for astronomy then since we need something better than galleys?
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TheOverseer714
Overseer
I think so, I think Caravels are what we need, the GLib trick is fine, but not necessary. Otherwise, there will be pain from sinking valuable units or having to rush dozens of Galleys to watch 50-80% sink at the transfer point. All the critical upgrades are done, and 3 cities are doing 4 turn Cavalry. I think we can get the 3 techs within 2 turnsets and we can then shut research down and upgrade Galleys to Caravels.
ThERat
Deity
Pre-Turn
in order to get both Teoti and Antioch to 20spt, we need to do some tricks
starve Antioch until we get a forest up at Teoti
we are actually at 53% of the world and might indeed win with some border expansions
MM properly and theo is down to 3 turns at positive cashflow
IT India lands 3 ACav
1. 1330AD
land 6 Cavs next to Pamplona
the swamp next to Antioch reveals a BG, that gives me hope for 20/20spt
what are these Acavs made of, lose 1 Cav and redline 2 to get rid of them
however, get an army defeating the last of them
we do not have any galleys around to help here
send a 1 cav army and 2 more cavs from the main island
IT Spanish lose a mace and Conqui attacking our 6 Cavs
both Spain and India sail with caravels and India drops a few Acavs
2. 1335AD
decide to evacuate from Pamplona and wait for the army to help
defeat all intruders (4)
well, Teoti gets only 19spt after corruption
IT theo is in, education in a quick 4 at 120gpt surplus
3. 1340AD
take out 2 Spanish units landed next to Thermopylae
getting more galleys over to start a proper assault on Pamplona
as we have some cash, rush 2 galleys
4. 1345AD
we're at 56% of the land due to expansions, as much as I prefer conquest, it seems domination is only a matter of time
load 6 galleys so we can drop next turn
with the healthy surplus, decide to rush 2 libraries in the core of the 2nd Island
IT Spanish finish Leo
5. 1350AD
drop 10 units minus the army
Teoti goes for starvation, but makes 20spt, this needs to be changed every now and then
IT no attacks? India finishes Smiths and the Spanish Newton
6. 1355AD
take out 3 muskets and 1 cav, losing a single Cav and we take Pamplona for 150gold
decide to load the army with only 2 cavs as the Island is pretty small
spot a wounded Spanish Cav near the Indian city, are they fighting?
redline and sink an Aztec galley
take out am Aztec mace and capture a worker
use the extra money to rush another library
IT education is in, sorry folks, no Glib grab
go for astro of course in 4
Athens revolts, oops
7. 1360AD
attack and take the last Aztec city defeating 3 pikes
our stats are now 57/66
send 3 galleys further northwest
8. 1365AD
2 border expansions get us to 59/66, just not quite there yet
send out a suicide galley
liberate Kohlapur and that small island is ours
almost lose the 2 cav army in the process
rush libraries in 2 cities
IT oh yeah, Spain appears with frigates and lands 2 units
India loses a galley and caravel trying to sink 2 galleys
9. 1370AD
Teoti goes for a 5 turn cavalry to stock up food
suicide galley sinks
rush another library, we're at 60/67 right now
defeat 2/3 Spanish units at Corinth
10. 1375AD
waiting for astro which will come in next turn
we have enough money to upgrade those galleys around
we're at 61/68 due to another border expansion
however, I think we need to invade the other Island and maybe it would be fun to try
we have a 2 cav army and a 1 cav army to help with the landing
another self made army will be ready in 4
btw, I don't think we should stop research as the time needed is really short
why not get the remaining 4 techs for the IA to get a free tech?
might be steam for all we know
in order to get both Teoti and Antioch to 20spt, we need to do some tricks
starve Antioch until we get a forest up at Teoti
we are actually at 53% of the world and might indeed win with some border expansions
MM properly and theo is down to 3 turns at positive cashflow
IT India lands 3 ACav
1. 1330AD
land 6 Cavs next to Pamplona
the swamp next to Antioch reveals a BG, that gives me hope for 20/20spt
what are these Acavs made of, lose 1 Cav and redline 2 to get rid of them
however, get an army defeating the last of them
we do not have any galleys around to help here
send a 1 cav army and 2 more cavs from the main island
IT Spanish lose a mace and Conqui attacking our 6 Cavs
both Spain and India sail with caravels and India drops a few Acavs
2. 1335AD
decide to evacuate from Pamplona and wait for the army to help
defeat all intruders (4)
well, Teoti gets only 19spt after corruption
IT theo is in, education in a quick 4 at 120gpt surplus
3. 1340AD
take out 2 Spanish units landed next to Thermopylae
getting more galleys over to start a proper assault on Pamplona
as we have some cash, rush 2 galleys
4. 1345AD
we're at 56% of the land due to expansions, as much as I prefer conquest, it seems domination is only a matter of time
load 6 galleys so we can drop next turn
with the healthy surplus, decide to rush 2 libraries in the core of the 2nd Island
IT Spanish finish Leo
5. 1350AD
drop 10 units minus the army
Teoti goes for starvation, but makes 20spt, this needs to be changed every now and then
IT no attacks? India finishes Smiths and the Spanish Newton
6. 1355AD
take out 3 muskets and 1 cav, losing a single Cav and we take Pamplona for 150gold
decide to load the army with only 2 cavs as the Island is pretty small
spot a wounded Spanish Cav near the Indian city, are they fighting?
redline and sink an Aztec galley
take out am Aztec mace and capture a worker
use the extra money to rush another library
IT education is in, sorry folks, no Glib grab
go for astro of course in 4
Athens revolts, oops
7. 1360AD
attack and take the last Aztec city defeating 3 pikes
our stats are now 57/66
send 3 galleys further northwest
8. 1365AD
2 border expansions get us to 59/66, just not quite there yet
send out a suicide galley
liberate Kohlapur and that small island is ours
almost lose the 2 cav army in the process
rush libraries in 2 cities
IT oh yeah, Spain appears with frigates and lands 2 units
India loses a galley and caravel trying to sink 2 galleys
9. 1370AD
Teoti goes for a 5 turn cavalry to stock up food
suicide galley sinks
rush another library, we're at 60/67 right now
defeat 2/3 Spanish units at Corinth
10. 1375AD
waiting for astro which will come in next turn
we have enough money to upgrade those galleys around
we're at 61/68 due to another border expansion
however, I think we need to invade the other Island and maybe it would be fun to try
we have a 2 cav army and a 1 cav army to help with the landing
another self made army will be ready in 4
btw, I don't think we should stop research as the time needed is really short
why not get the remaining 4 techs for the IA to get a free tech?
might be steam for all we know
ThERat
Deity
By the way, I indicated the potential direction of he Spanish/Indian Island in light blue
The black arrow shows the shortest passage to transfer our units from the homeland
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The black arrow shows the shortest passage to transfer our units from the homeland
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There are 90 domination tiles available around our newly conquered territory. We need at most 85 tiles for a domination victory, so invading the other landmass wouldn't be necessary. Simply rush 6 libraries and wait 34 turns for victory.
Of course, taking 2 or 3 more cities would trigger the victory much sooner, provided we still rush those libraries.
Of course, taking 2 or 3 more cities would trigger the victory much sooner, provided we still rush those libraries.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Look around, things look good.
T1
Astro->Physics
Upgrade some Galleys to Caravels.
T2
Adjust science, Physics in 4
T3
Spain lands a Crusader on our NE shore. We kill it.
T4
We spot enemy borders with caravels.
T5
Move troops
T6
Delphi riots.
Hurry a few Libs
T7
Lose a Caravel to a pirate
Physics->Magnets
Caravel sinks in the ocean.
T8
Move troops
T9
Land troops
T10
Only one Spanish Cav attacks us
Magnets -> Banking
Ellipi riots.
We have a stack next to Bangalore, ready to fight next turn. The Spanish have Rifles, so it may not be a very easy fight.
T1
Astro->Physics
Upgrade some Galleys to Caravels.
T2
Adjust science, Physics in 4
T3
Spain lands a Crusader on our NE shore. We kill it.
T4
We spot enemy borders with caravels.
T5
Move troops
T6
Delphi riots.
Hurry a few Libs
T7
Lose a Caravel to a pirate
Physics->Magnets
Caravel sinks in the ocean.
T8
Move troops
T9
Land troops
T10
Only one Spanish Cav attacks us
Magnets -> Banking
Ellipi riots.
We have a stack next to Bangalore, ready to fight next turn. The Spanish have Rifles, so it may not be a very easy fight.
ThERat
Deity
great, do we have the cav armies over there, the screenie doesn't reveal that.
I think Spain and India fight each other and that is why the response is a little 'weak'. Remember I spotted a redlined Spanich cav near and Kolhapur. If we can keep up the research, we should be in the IA by the next turnset. Hopefully we get steam. If we take a few cities, that won't matter anyway.
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I think Spain and India fight each other and that is why the response is a little 'weak'. Remember I spotted a redlined Spanich cav near and Kolhapur. If we can keep up the research, we should be in the IA by the next turnset. Hopefully we get steam. If we take a few cities, that won't matter anyway.
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