RBC16 - Sleeveless

[Yom]

lurker's comment:

IIf we go peaceful, FP belongs at Cadiz. If we attack Korea and succeed, it belongs down there. We need to decide quickly, and my turn has passed, so I will leave the choices up to current and future leaders of England.


- Sirian

Placement makes no difference on its effects (aside from the fact that a different city gets the 85% uncorrupted shields rule). You'd be better off building it in Canterbury or Nottingham.

 

[microbe]

lurker's comment:
Placement makes no difference on its effects (aside from the fact that a different city gets the 85% uncorrupted shields rule). You'd be better off building it in Canterbury or Nottingham.

It still does for distance corruption..

 

[Yom]

I'm pretty sure that the placement has no change on its surrounding cities. No matter how far the city is from the palace, the cities surrounding the FP will be just as corrupt (excluding the 50% OCN increase) as they were beforehand.

 

[microbe]

Read alexman's corruption article about distance corruption.

It doesn't make as big a difference as before because rank corruption no longer depends on FP location, but distance corruption still does.

 

[Yom]

I have read the article. The way I understand it, the OCN is increased by 50%, causing all cities to have less corruption, but the exact location of it doesn't matter aside from the FP city's corruption bonus. What I'm saying is, as long as there's an FP, it doesn't matter where it is. If the FP is in Nottingham, there will be the same change in corruption for Newcastle as if it were in Cadiz.

 

[microbe]

OK, I don't think you understand what the article says about distance corruption (it has nothing to do with OCN). Read the first paragraph under "distance corruption". If you still think FP location doesn't matter, maybe alexman need to rewrite it in a more clear way.

 

[SesnOfWthr]

I think the actual phrase Microbe seems to be dancing around is "distance to the nearest palace."

So the FP does help the surrounding cities, but because of the effects of the rank corruption, it isn't like you can build a second core like before.

FWIW, I had to have like six people explain it to me before I got it. Surprising, I know.

 

[Grimjack]

I agree on keeping our gpt to ourselves. The iron is not needed until rails though, and it may be sufficient to keep us floating for another 20 turns.

Risky business though, as it may evaporate our good standing.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Pre-flight – 550 AD – On our fishing villages, I guess I always have built a harbor then a granary, but I suppose it’s six of one half a dozen of another. Leave the builds as is.

Make one change at Canterbury so it will grow.

Why does the diplo screen show France with an extra iron? Oh we traded it.

No one will trade with us for the moment.

Early – Nottingham: Duct=>market
Warwick: Granary=>duct
Chinese complete Cop’s.
Hannibal builds Magellan’s.

Middle – Hannibal wants to trade TMs. No thanks.
We get some cash back, let’s see if we can make some deals.
Navigation is pretty cheap, but since we can’t go for a two-fer, I just look into Chemistry. Joan and Gandhi have the best deal. 53gpt and 150g. Since Gandhi is almost as far behind as we are, I’ll support his research efforts. We’re now even with Gandhi. Everyone else has metallurgy and physics. However, no one has entered the IA yet and no one has begun work on Newton’s, so we’re not that far behind. At most three required techs.
London: bank=>univ.
Cirta: Library=>FP (due in 34. This can be changed, I just think we need to build it to lower corruption and raise the OCN)
Both Korea and India cancel the ROPs we had with them. We’d have to pay in both cases, so I let them expire.

Late – I renew a straight up spices for dyes deal with Monty. One click on the lux meter is worth 19gpt.
Canterbury: Cathedral=>univ.
Coventry: granary=>duct
Rusaddir: Granary=>harbor

After Action – Hannibal has been gradually building up a fairly nice treasury. Nothing can be traded for at the moment unless we want to sell something to Korea for 1G. Gandhi is up Physics. If we get some cash we could get metallurgy and hope Gandhi hasn’t gotten it by the next turn and get a sort of two-turn, two-fer.

The FP build can be vetoed and changed to a university without loss.

Save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Sleeveless_-_650_AD.zip

 

[microbe]

Since Gandhi is almost as far behind as we are, I’ll support his research efforts.

Hmm..I normally think otherwise. I'd keep the backward civ backward so we won't fall behind everybody else.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I think you misinterpreted that statement. India is still ahead of us, just not as far ahead as everyone else. My logic was that a tech at 7th is cheaper than a tech at 6th. Korea has a solid lock on 8th place.

If you read further, seven civs (excluding Korea) are within three required techs of one another. I come to that conclusion based on the fact that 1) no one is in the IA, and 2) we're four techs from the IA.

With libraries and universities, we'll be in good shape soon.

 

[SesnOfWthr]

I see this, but there's no way I can touch it before Sunday.

 

[Grimjack]

As to Forbidden Palace, it will give us a fourth semidecent city in Cadiz. We would only gain the corruption benefits if we built it in one of our other two possible semidecent cities.

Thats why I agreed on the Cadiz location.

Grimjack

 

[SesnOfWthr]

First off, an apology to all for the delay. It seems the “honeydo” list gets longer every weekend, especially with summer ending.

IHT – Doesn’t look like I’ll have much to do, other than monitor the trade front. There are only three builds with 10 or less turns. There is a ‘Sleeveless Twofer’ available with India and Metallurgy, but I’m not sure what it would cost us to get Metallurgy from someone. Actually, it can’t be had, yet. I see that there was a bit of disagreement on the FP placement, and I’m inclined to think Cadiz is the better spot too. Cirta vetoed.

680 ad – We have enough cash to get Metallurgy, but it’ll really strap the economy. I buy from the French, as Joan will sell for WM, 440g, and 49gpt. I don’t get to keep a single gold piece in the coffers.

690 ad – Nottingham completes a Market, giving us an extra 10gpt. I trade for Physics with India, giving Metallurgy, WM, 16g, and 2gpt. Theo, Monty, and Hannibal have hit the IA. There is another Twofer available with China, but it seems more likely we’ll be using Ghandi again by the time we can afford it.

710 ad – The China twofer is gone. London finishes it’s Uni, and I honestly have no idea what to build there. A harbor, I guess.

720 ad – Ghandi wants about 14gpt to renew the wines deal, and I pass.

Recap: Pretty quiet turns. We will need to rush the temple in Hastings, or the city will starve. I switched the court build in Cadiz to the FP, it can still be switched back w/o loss, if so desired. There is another Two fer available with India, but we can’t afford ToG yet. I didn’t know if we wanted to build wealth in London or not, so it has one turn invested in a pike.

>>>SAVE<<<

 

[Sirian]

Microbe? You're overdue at this point. Did you realize that you were up?

 

[microbe]

Sorry, I missed it. I'll play this in one hour.

 

[microbe]

preturn: reneg silks/spices deal with Byzantines and get 113g extra.

I don't know why Coventry is working on a tuntra. Switch to forest and we get 3spt instead of 2spt, and 1 more gpt.

Both Oxford and Sulcis are stuck at size-2, building granary with 1spt. I let Oxford work the hill so it becomes 3spt, getting granary in 8 turns.

We can also fire clown in Nottingham.

Short-rush temple in Hastings by 48g.

Disband a reg warrior.

(1)760AD:

IBT Byzantines declare on Aztecs.

(2)770AD:

(3)780AD:

(4)790AD: some gpt deal expired. I cancel lux deal with China, and buy ToG+ivory from France with WM+51gpt+356g+spices.

(5)800AD: India has ToG too.

IBT China builds Newton.

(6)810AD: India has Music Theory. I think about stopping min research on it and starting min on Military Tradition, but I keep it for now.

(7)820AD: declare war on China.

(8)830AD:

IBT Byzantines and Carthage sign MPP, and Carthage declares on Aztecs.

(9)840AD: flawlessly kill two spears and we finally control our island.

IBT Byzantines and Korea sign MPP.

(10)850AD:

I don't know if China has riflemen or not, if not, it has only longbow and spearmen. Another target is Korea - it has saltpeter. But it now has musket already. I feel we have started offense too late.

 

[Grimjack]

I don't know if China has riflemen or not, if not, it has only longbow and spearmen. Another target is Korea - it has saltpeter. But it now has musket already. I feel we have started offense too late.

I would presume the late start of any offensive was that we used the peaceful approach to the game, and started building infra instead of military.

The warlike approach had its maximum opportunity sometime during my turns, but I decided that building infra and rushing for space would be more fun.

The chinese city is a city we wanted a long time though, and if we can contain the conflict, it is a good move. Considering our humungous fleet, we wont be going invading anyone for quite some time. ( Unless I missed something when reading the reports. )

Grimjack

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I didn't realize we were going the warmonger route.

 

[microbe]

It's not that I don't think we can win peacefully, but given the variant restrictions and this terrible start, war made the most sense to me.