T-hawk
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It's okay, Skyfish, it isn't your fault that Infogrames won't let you play on 1.21. As long as we all remember it's 1.14 (I'll try to post a notice after each player), we're fine.
RBP8 - Culture Conquerors
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Cartouche Bee
Appropriations Consultant
My take on the Wonder tree, for this situation.
Once we get Theology we rush Sistine, that's obvious.
I think we then need to rush research on Education and get a university for the culture, ASAP. Then if we push our research through to the industrial age (picking up Free Artistry on the way, in a timely fashion for wonder bulding) we could get could be researching Steam in 60 or so turns after Theology/Education. 60 turns is just right to pick up Cops, Shakespeare's and Newton's. Bach's could be reserved as a GL rush (best case for a 600 shield wonder) or built by one of our wonder blockers. We could be 5-6 techs ahead of the AI by the time we get to the Industrial Age.
Thing is, if we zip up to steam we can enhance our building power, get industrialization and get a rail supported factory humming in our *wonderful* city.
Do not sell the AI techs, resources and luxuries. Just keep them sputtering with their current pathetic states. We can buy techs from them but only once they get cheap or we really need it.
Once we get Theology we rush Sistine, that's obvious.
I think we then need to rush research on Education and get a university for the culture, ASAP. Then if we push our research through to the industrial age (picking up Free Artistry on the way, in a timely fashion for wonder bulding) we could get could be researching Steam in 60 or so turns after Theology/Education. 60 turns is just right to pick up Cops, Shakespeare's and Newton's. Bach's could be reserved as a GL rush (best case for a 600 shield wonder) or built by one of our wonder blockers. We could be 5-6 techs ahead of the AI by the time we get to the Industrial Age.
Thing is, if we zip up to steam we can enhance our building power, get industrialization and get a rail supported factory humming in our *wonderful* city.
Do not sell the AI techs, resources and luxuries. Just keep them sputtering with their current pathetic states. We can buy techs from them but only once they get cheap or we really need it.
T-hawk
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The counterpoint to that argument:
What we want now is for the global tech pace to run as SLOW as possible, so that our city has time to clean up on as many wonders as possible. 60 turns from now, we could have your 3 wonders and be building rails; or we could be building rails 100 turns from now and also have Bach's and just maybe Smith's. There's no hurry to build the university; it doesn't matter much at all if it's rushed in 700 AD instead of 400 AD, as compared to possessing or missing Bach's.
This isn't the GOTM; it isn't about blitzing past the AIs to a win; it's about taking our time and building our city as carefully and completely as we can.
All the Industrial and later wonders should be ours no matter what and when we get there; so we should take our time to collect as many medieval wonders as we can.
The AIs aren't up to our level, but Babylon is not pathetically weak at all. They will still be pushing the game research at a fair pace for some time to come; pushing research ourselves will only get Parishaka fewer wonders.
What we want now is for the global tech pace to run as SLOW as possible, so that our city has time to clean up on as many wonders as possible. 60 turns from now, we could have your 3 wonders and be building rails; or we could be building rails 100 turns from now and also have Bach's and just maybe Smith's. There's no hurry to build the university; it doesn't matter much at all if it's rushed in 700 AD instead of 400 AD, as compared to possessing or missing Bach's.
This isn't the GOTM; it isn't about blitzing past the AIs to a win; it's about taking our time and building our city as carefully and completely as we can.
All the Industrial and later wonders should be ours no matter what and when we get there; so we should take our time to collect as many medieval wonders as we can.The AIs aren't up to our level, but Babylon is not pathetically weak at all. They will still be pushing the game research at a fair pace for some time to come; pushing research ourselves will only get Parishaka fewer wonders.
Cartouche Bee
Appropriations Consultant
We only speed up the tech pace much, if we sell the techs to the AI. Staying out infront of the AI just makes it easier for us to have a head start on the wonder builds. Anyway, just a thought, probably the same result in the end anyway, fast or slow does not really matter to me, game won.
Early : Parishaka builds Colosseum in 70AD then goes to Marketplace, lux lowered to 0 and MM going on. Babs start Sun Tzu (70AD)
Keep on producing workers in fishing villages. Change some orders from Markets to Courthouses in corrupt cites (sorry I am a courthouse lover).
Keep others on Cathedral even though building libraries every where is very tempting...
Middle : get to 202gpt in 150 AD and keep building cash as Theology will be expensive when it comes out. So far nothing happened on the diplo/tech front. Rush an acquaduct in Hlobane because it will become a powerhouse and it is losing 15 turns of expansion waiting for an acquaduct.
End : in 190 AD English come up with Engineering...just what we still had 25 turns left on (shouldn't we have researched theology just in case ?) ! argh !
In 210 AD my big break comes up and Theology is available, the English and Egyptians have it but the Babs only have Engineering, 2fer anyone ?
Now listen to this the English can give me Theology for Iron and I then turn around and sell it to Babs for Engineering plus Spices and dyes.
No cash involved ! Too bad the Indians do not have harbours because they have 2 additional luxuries we could use.
Sistine is rushed in Parishaka..and completes in 230AD.
CB is right we have a very strong economy : with only 1 library we can research Education in 7 turns at no deficit, we have now 1134g treasury.
I believe the earlier we get the Univ online the better. I doubt we will get caught in a cascade at that time...Astronomy and MT are really far off.
I will leave science at 40% to get Education in 10 turns at a 66gpt profit and time the prebuild exactly to get a University (as Parishaka is pulling 20spt). This is always vetoable with little damage in case the next leader disapproves.
Purposely built up a nice treasure for Charis to go shopping
them baby !
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/RBP8-250_AD.zip
Keep on producing workers in fishing villages. Change some orders from Markets to Courthouses in corrupt cites (sorry I am a courthouse lover).
Keep others on Cathedral even though building libraries every where is very tempting...
Middle : get to 202gpt in 150 AD and keep building cash as Theology will be expensive when it comes out. So far nothing happened on the diplo/tech front. Rush an acquaduct in Hlobane because it will become a powerhouse and it is losing 15 turns of expansion waiting for an acquaduct.
End : in 190 AD English come up with Engineering...just what we still had 25 turns left on (shouldn't we have researched theology just in case ?) ! argh !
In 210 AD my big break comes up and Theology is available, the English and Egyptians have it but the Babs only have Engineering, 2fer anyone ?
Now listen to this the English can give me Theology for Iron and I then turn around and sell it to Babs for Engineering plus Spices and dyes.
No cash involved ! Too bad the Indians do not have harbours because they have 2 additional luxuries we could use.
Sistine is rushed in Parishaka..and completes in 230AD.
CB is right we have a very strong economy : with only 1 library we can research Education in 7 turns at no deficit, we have now 1134g treasury.
I believe the earlier we get the Univ online the better. I doubt we will get caught in a cascade at that time...Astronomy and MT are really far off.
I will leave science at 40% to get Education in 10 turns at a 66gpt profit and time the prebuild exactly to get a University (as Parishaka is pulling 20spt). This is always vetoable with little damage in case the next leader disapproves.
Purposely built up a nice treasure for Charis to go shopping
them baby !http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/RBP8-250_AD.zip
T-hawk
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Prebuilds are great, but use it for a wonder rather than the university. The university can be cash rushed; and if you do the math the overall culture comes out higher if you build, say, Copernicus in 450 AD and rush the uni in 460 AD as compared to building the university in 350 AD and Copernicus in 550 AD. Actually, the cultural results are the same for those, but the result is that Parishaka gets started on its NEXT wonder 10 turns sooner instead of spending 10 turns building a university.
I'm sure Charis will get that sorted out.
I'm sure Charis will get that sorted out.
Charis
Realms Beyond
> Purposely built up a nice treasure for Charis to go shopping
Shopping?! I love shopping!!
"Oh mother, it's not your country Nandi!" retorts the Great Elephant. With his
Kraal (seat of power) now moved to Parishaka, he is now ready to lead the people again.
His technology advisor hops up and down shouting "114!! 114!!" and he is escorted out
of the Kraal. As we follow the Great Fish, there is no doubt that the current version
is as it should be.
We have JUST NOW started on Sun Tzu, only one turn of shields in. That means for
maximum culture in our great city, we could buy education now and rush the university.
Charishakazulu College... what a glorious sounding name. Make it so says the
Great Elephant. "But sir!" his financial advisor notes, we can research it ourselves in
just 8 turns, shouldn't we wait? The Great Elephant explains that we are the most powerful
nation on the planet, and Parishaka is the greatest of city of all. ALL ACTIONS commanded
by the Zulu king will be for the good of this city. Thus is the financial advisor
impaled and set outside the Kraal as an example. Charishaka brings the ambassador
of India past this gruesome sight. He asks "Oh my goodness, what heinous act did this man
commit to deserved such a death??!" "Ah, my friend swallow... he thought he could
haggle with the Great Elephant."
"Now let us discuss the purchase of Education."
The ambassadors knees turn weak with fright. "What is wrong, my friend? I know you will
give a fair price." "Oh great one... we have not the knowledge of Education!! (cowers)
Charishaka is in disbelief. He summons all advisors, and is told...
The ZULU are the dominant researchers on the planet!
Incredible. Unthinkable. And yet it is true. Shaka orders research put to 100%,
so it is learned in 3 more turns! Sun Tzu shall be a prebuild for Charishakazulu College,
then we shall resume.
[0] 250: The clowns in Ulundi and Rheims are executed for failing to bring in income to
our great nation. Taxmen are hired. Parishaka is also seen to be running an excess
food at size 12. The governor is executed, and a citizen shifted from grass to forest.
The people are literally starting to quake in their boots, as the fierce Iron hand of
the Zulu leader is applying Zulu law brutally to all. Yet this does not stop domestically.
England is found to have units in our land. They are ordered to leave or face the wrath
of the Great Elephant. "Yes, Umfulozi!" They bow and retreat. He goes to renegotiate peace
so that they would pay a proper tribute to the Zulu people. But the treaty has 5 turns
to go. Hmm, ok. Same thing for Egypt. Hammurabi and India are forced to bow down and
acknowledge Shakazulu as supreme leader of the world. As this costs them no money,
they acceed to the madman's demands rather than risk war.
The world breathes a sigh of relief, as the world does not erupt into war as the
Great Elephant comes to power.
IBT - OMG!!! Babylon demands IVORY from the Great Elephant?!??!?! He's mad!!
The fool who brings this message to the Great Elephant is impaled, and set outside
the Kraal as another example! (It's getting crowded out there) We *JUST* renegotiated
peace for which you paid us, now you make threats??! BRING IT ON HAMMY!
The fool declares war, more of a madman the Charishaka Zulu! The people rejoice,
knowing it is FAR better to have an external foe than for Charishaka to have to turn
his attention and Iron fist to domestic affairs!! (Good thing too, if the Great one
had noticed there was a jungle tile in the borders of Parishaka there would have been
one more impaled figure at the Kraal!)
[1] 260: Building.
[2] 270: And more...
IBT Education is done, we head for Printing Press in 6 at surplus. We don't need to
speed up research toward wonder techs, since Parishaka still is working on Sun Tzu.
Or, it will be. Zimbabwe completes a Libarary and we go ahead to Univ for Parishaka.
It's rushed for 552g, and we JUST enough cash on hand to do it. Maybe I'll slow PP.
[3] 280: We're now on Sun Tzu, due in 29. The Indians just now start it too!!
Charishaka cannot bear to know how they are doing.
Delhi, London, Heliopolis, Akkad.
[4] 290: With enough now to build an embassy in Delhi, we do so. 47 turns! Ha! Pitiful!
10spt, 4 spears defending, two lux, horse resource.
London - gasp!! 21 turns to Sun Tzu! :saitan:
Also 20spt, but going at it longer. They have two clowns, 3 lux, iron and horse.
Just two spears defending. The urge to TAKE this city is great, but Charishaka
remembers that now he is a refined man of culture.
He wonders how such a city can outpace glorious Parishaka. No hills. We have no hills.
He also notes we're not using one of our best tiles, a game tile. At least he is
not embarrassed by seeing that the Univerity purchase, costing 4 turns, would not have
changed the result. Besides... Sun Tzu is a wonder of WAR, we shall go for something
more refined... say, a workshop for Invention, to train all our wondrous Impi's.
[5] 300: With neutral area STILL left between us and England, it's time to fix those
borders down. We found Ibabanago on a hill. We also plan to found west of Marseilles,
on a river and on the coast.
[6] 310: The English stepped INTO our territory with archers this turn, and have
insulted the Great Elephant. We demand that they leave, and they... declare war!?!?!
The Swordsmen of Liberation ride again! The Impis who lust for battle shall be
satisfied. It will take all the discipline they can must to stay out of enemy
territory, but they shall obey (or be impaled!)
IBT No combat but the English shift a bunch of archers around. Ironically, their
declaration of war cancels the iron they were buying from us
[7] 320: Move up units. IBT Archer loses to a horse, MDI retreats an IMPI.
[8] 330: ... [9] 340: Border skirmishes with England. They lose.
[10] 350: PP comes in, timed to make it this turn so our next leader could choose
research path and rate. Right now it's set at Invention in 10, so that the tech
would show up just before Delhi completed SunTzu. (Actually, one notch back is
fiften, and it should be completed around 14ish. 10 is safer) You could slam it
forward and get the tech in 4, too, or swap to Music Theory. I figure we can build
a wonder and start on MT before anyone else gets around to that one though.
The last IBT an MDI out of Nottingham slew one of our Impi's sitting on a horse.
So he stayed in his territory, at 1hp. This round a horse rode up and crossed
over the line to avenge his brothers' death. Out of movement, he could not make
it back to our territory. This scandal causes the Great Elephant to step down from
power. If the horse in question survives the round, let the next Great Elephant
decide if he must be impaled for his offense, or called a hero for his bravery
and defiance! (He turned elite, btw) A sword has moved up, if he has to make
the same sacrifice next round
Hammurabi, now scared of his witless act, will actually now come to the table, and
PAY his world map for peace (!?) Not a shot fired. His first galley is now visible,
outside of Umfolozi. He'll almost give away Kish, even though we've not done anything,
so great is his fear! Let the next leader decide. England is probably a few turns left from
coming to the table. I really doubt we can hurt them enough without taking a few of
their cities to cause London to slip on Sun Tzu, so plan on losing that one and getting
Leo's or Cop or Bach - whichever tech you research next.
Save file 350AD RBP8
Good luck,
Charishaka, the Great Elephant
Shopping?! I love shopping!!
"Oh mother, it's not your country Nandi!" retorts the Great Elephant. With his
Kraal (seat of power) now moved to Parishaka, he is now ready to lead the people again.
His technology advisor hops up and down shouting "114!! 114!!" and he is escorted out
of the Kraal. As we follow the Great Fish, there is no doubt that the current version
is as it should be.
We have JUST NOW started on Sun Tzu, only one turn of shields in. That means for
maximum culture in our great city, we could buy education now and rush the university.
Charishakazulu College... what a glorious sounding name. Make it so says the
Great Elephant. "But sir!" his financial advisor notes, we can research it ourselves in
just 8 turns, shouldn't we wait? The Great Elephant explains that we are the most powerful
nation on the planet, and Parishaka is the greatest of city of all. ALL ACTIONS commanded
by the Zulu king will be for the good of this city. Thus is the financial advisor
impaled and set outside the Kraal as an example. Charishaka brings the ambassador
of India past this gruesome sight. He asks "Oh my goodness, what heinous act did this man
commit to deserved such a death??!" "Ah, my friend swallow... he thought he could
haggle with the Great Elephant."
"Now let us discuss the purchase of Education."The ambassadors knees turn weak with fright. "What is wrong, my friend? I know you will
give a fair price." "Oh great one... we have not the knowledge of Education!! (cowers)
Charishaka is in disbelief. He summons all advisors, and is told...
The ZULU are the dominant researchers on the planet!
Incredible. Unthinkable. And yet it is true. Shaka orders research put to 100%,
so it is learned in 3 more turns! Sun Tzu shall be a prebuild for Charishakazulu College,
then we shall resume.
[0] 250: The clowns in Ulundi and Rheims are executed for failing to bring in income to
our great nation. Taxmen are hired. Parishaka is also seen to be running an excess
food at size 12. The governor is executed, and a citizen shifted from grass to forest.
The people are literally starting to quake in their boots, as the fierce Iron hand of
the Zulu leader is applying Zulu law brutally to all. Yet this does not stop domestically.
England is found to have units in our land. They are ordered to leave or face the wrath
of the Great Elephant. "Yes, Umfulozi!" They bow and retreat. He goes to renegotiate peace
so that they would pay a proper tribute to the Zulu people. But the treaty has 5 turns
to go. Hmm, ok. Same thing for Egypt. Hammurabi and India are forced to bow down and
acknowledge Shakazulu as supreme leader of the world. As this costs them no money,
they acceed to the madman's demands rather than risk war.
The world breathes a sigh of relief, as the world does not erupt into war as the
Great Elephant comes to power.
IBT - OMG!!! Babylon demands IVORY from the Great Elephant?!??!?! He's mad!!
The fool who brings this message to the Great Elephant is impaled, and set outside
the Kraal as another example! (It's getting crowded out there) We *JUST* renegotiated
peace for which you paid us, now you make threats??! BRING IT ON HAMMY!
The fool declares war, more of a madman the Charishaka Zulu! The people rejoice,
knowing it is FAR better to have an external foe than for Charishaka to have to turn
his attention and Iron fist to domestic affairs!! (Good thing too, if the Great one
had noticed there was a jungle tile in the borders of Parishaka there would have been
one more impaled figure at the Kraal!)
[1] 260: Building.
[2] 270: And more...
IBT Education is done, we head for Printing Press in 6 at surplus. We don't need to
speed up research toward wonder techs, since Parishaka still is working on Sun Tzu.
Or, it will be. Zimbabwe completes a Libarary and we go ahead to Univ for Parishaka.
It's rushed for 552g, and we JUST enough cash on hand to do it. Maybe I'll slow PP.
[3] 280: We're now on Sun Tzu, due in 29. The Indians just now start it too!!
Charishaka cannot bear to know how they are doing.
Delhi, London, Heliopolis, Akkad.
[4] 290: With enough now to build an embassy in Delhi, we do so. 47 turns! Ha! Pitiful!
10spt, 4 spears defending, two lux, horse resource.
London - gasp!! 21 turns to Sun Tzu! :saitan:
Also 20spt, but going at it longer. They have two clowns, 3 lux, iron and horse.
Just two spears defending. The urge to TAKE this city is great, but Charishaka
remembers that now he is a refined man of culture.
He wonders how such a city can outpace glorious Parishaka. No hills. We have no hills.
He also notes we're not using one of our best tiles, a game tile. At least he is
not embarrassed by seeing that the Univerity purchase, costing 4 turns, would not have
changed the result. Besides... Sun Tzu is a wonder of WAR, we shall go for something
more refined... say, a workshop for Invention, to train all our wondrous Impi's.
[5] 300: With neutral area STILL left between us and England, it's time to fix those
borders down. We found Ibabanago on a hill. We also plan to found west of Marseilles,
on a river and on the coast.
[6] 310: The English stepped INTO our territory with archers this turn, and have
insulted the Great Elephant. We demand that they leave, and they... declare war!?!?!
The Swordsmen of Liberation ride again! The Impis who lust for battle shall be
satisfied. It will take all the discipline they can must to stay out of enemy
territory, but they shall obey (or be impaled!)
IBT No combat but the English shift a bunch of archers around. Ironically, their
declaration of war cancels the iron they were buying from us
[7] 320: Move up units. IBT Archer loses to a horse, MDI retreats an IMPI.
[8] 330: ... [9] 340: Border skirmishes with England. They lose.
[10] 350: PP comes in, timed to make it this turn so our next leader could choose
research path and rate. Right now it's set at Invention in 10, so that the tech
would show up just before Delhi completed SunTzu. (Actually, one notch back is
fiften, and it should be completed around 14ish. 10 is safer) You could slam it
forward and get the tech in 4, too, or swap to Music Theory. I figure we can build
a wonder and start on MT before anyone else gets around to that one though.
The last IBT an MDI out of Nottingham slew one of our Impi's sitting on a horse.
So he stayed in his territory, at 1hp. This round a horse rode up and crossed
over the line to avenge his brothers' death. Out of movement, he could not make
it back to our territory. This scandal causes the Great Elephant to step down from
power. If the horse in question survives the round, let the next Great Elephant
decide if he must be impaled for his offense, or called a hero for his bravery
and defiance! (He turned elite, btw) A sword has moved up, if he has to make
the same sacrifice next round
Hammurabi, now scared of his witless act, will actually now come to the table, and
PAY his world map for peace (!?) Not a shot fired. His first galley is now visible,
outside of Umfolozi. He'll almost give away Kish, even though we've not done anything,
so great is his fear! Let the next leader decide. England is probably a few turns left from
coming to the table. I really doubt we can hurt them enough without taking a few of
their cities to cause London to slip on Sun Tzu, so plan on losing that one and getting
Leo's or Cop or Bach - whichever tech you research next.
Save file 350AD RBP8
Good luck,
Charishaka, the Great Elephant
T-hawk
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Good turn, although I still would've favored building straight through to a wonder and later cash rushing the entire university rather than wasting time building part of it. Ah well. Is Parishaka yet one of the world's top cities according to the Great Historian F11?
And as before, I'd still be in favor of keeping our research turned off until the ride.. err, the cascade comes to a complete halt. Then we should be able to get all the wonders from that point on with well-timed research and prebuilding.
CivGeneral, you are up; remember we are still playing on version 1.14 .
And as before, I'd still be in favor of keeping our research turned off until the ride.. err, the cascade comes to a complete halt. Then we should be able to get all the wonders from that point on with well-timed research and prebuilding.
CivGeneral, you are up; remember we are still playing on version 1.14 .
Cartouche Bee
Appropriations Consultant
T-hawk the pattern with CivGeneral is clear, they are still waiting on fittings for the fridge.
With the car trouble, do you want to switch turns with me, I'll hold off on the research unless the cascade breaks.
1.14 right?
With the car trouble, do you want to switch turns with me, I'll hold off on the research unless the cascade breaks.
1.14 right?
I must say I prefer the "fast science" path, it really allows us to be more "in control" instead of having to wait for the AI to search for us. Especially in considering the timing of the prebuilds, "expecting" the AIs to do the job for us can be quite frustrating sometimes...
T-hawk
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OK, Cartouche, if you're raring to go take it and I'll slot back in after you. I've got Lotr5 and SP5 to get through first.
(The car trouble is over - it was on Sunday - but it got my Monday completely screwed up. You'd never guess what the trouble was, either: the key broke off in the ignition and we couldn't start the car...)
Skyfish: You're correct about control for the most part, but the most critical thing we want to control in this game is the wonder cascade. And the best thing one can do towards that (well, other than rushing all the wonders with GLs) is to keep tech going slowly so we hav more time to build and plan all the wonders. If we want to time a particular prebuild, of course self-researching is the way to do it, but we want to get ALL the prebuilds and need as much time as possible to do it.
(The car trouble is over - it was on Sunday - but it got my Monday completely screwed up. You'd never guess what the trouble was, either: the key broke off in the ignition and we couldn't start the car...)
Skyfish: You're correct about control for the most part, but the most critical thing we want to control in this game is the wonder cascade. And the best thing one can do towards that (well, other than rushing all the wonders with GLs) is to keep tech going slowly so we hav more time to build and plan all the wonders. If we want to time a particular prebuild, of course self-researching is the way to do it, but we want to get ALL the prebuilds and need as much time as possible to do it.
Cartouche Bee
Appropriations Consultant
OK, I'll grab it tonight, I'll stick with breaking the cascade before we turn on research, so that might not be during my turns anyway, besides we should have even a better economy by the time the cascade breaks and maybe even be able to do some 4 turn research after that.
Cartouche Bee
Appropriations Consultant
OK, I'm going to back off the research to 10%, so we can see what develops but turn research back on if we want.
I will build a number of libraries so if we want to kick it on, we can and in in good form.
This will build our cash reserves which can allow the upgrade units if the wars get more serious. 
360AD Tuglea worker->worker New Ulundi founded, starts worker. Egypt has Invention, so that means we can get it anytime we want so I'm going to switch to Astronomy 10% due in 37.
370AD Quiet little turn, did some farming and watching the English troops make some moves to attack us, I can only hope.
380AD Zimbabwe University->MI Umtata worker->worker English archers are chewed up by our elite forces at Ibabanago.
390AD Ishwanda Library->university Ngome courthouse->marketplace Zunguin worker->worker Our elite sword takes out English longbow. England will give us Invention for a little more than 300 gold, it's tempting but a great leader would be better.
400AD Zimbabwe MI->MI Orleans library->needs local worker. Ulundi library->University
410AD Rheims marketplace->library Tours library->aqueduct Babs land in the new Ulundi area, we respond with a few units, giving the Babs a change to engage our elite defender. Take out another English archer.
420AD Zimbabwe MI->MI Orleans worker->courthouse Lyons Library->University Isipezi worker->worker Tugela worker->worker Umfolozi marketplace->aqueduct We take out English MI and pikeman, we lost a MI.
Babs lose a spearman to our horseman.
IBT Bab bowman takes a run at our elite Impi, bowman loses.
430AD Bapedi Library->Temple Umtata worker->worker
440AD Zimbabwe MI->MI Hlobane Library->Cathedral Marseilles worker->worker Take out English longbow with Elite sword.
450AD Zunguin worker->worker Egypt start Leo's. England has Chivalry, so, Peace and Chivalry for PP and 1 gold. Egypt Invention for PP and 340 gold. Zimbabwe switches over to coliseum since we only have war with Babs and they are 3 techs back.
OK, 2366 gold and 254 GPT. Astronomy in 20. Hopefully the AI will get around to cascading soon else they will be cascading to Cops. We could research Astronomy in 2 and make a break at Cops for sure, the AI would never see a worthwhile wonder to build again if we press the research envelope. However, Leo's would be nice to get.
RBP 8 450AD
I will build a number of libraries so if we want to kick it on, we can and in in good form.
This will build our cash reserves which can allow the upgrade units if the wars get more serious.
360AD Tuglea worker->worker New Ulundi founded, starts worker. Egypt has Invention, so that means we can get it anytime we want so I'm going to switch to Astronomy 10% due in 37.
370AD Quiet little turn, did some farming and watching the English troops make some moves to attack us, I can only hope.
380AD Zimbabwe University->MI Umtata worker->worker English archers are chewed up by our elite forces at Ibabanago.
390AD Ishwanda Library->university Ngome courthouse->marketplace Zunguin worker->worker Our elite sword takes out English longbow. England will give us Invention for a little more than 300 gold, it's tempting but a great leader would be better.
400AD Zimbabwe MI->MI Orleans library->needs local worker. Ulundi library->University
410AD Rheims marketplace->library Tours library->aqueduct Babs land in the new Ulundi area, we respond with a few units, giving the Babs a change to engage our elite defender. Take out another English archer.
420AD Zimbabwe MI->MI Orleans worker->courthouse Lyons Library->University Isipezi worker->worker Tugela worker->worker Umfolozi marketplace->aqueduct We take out English MI and pikeman, we lost a MI.
Babs lose a spearman to our horseman.IBT Bab bowman takes a run at our elite Impi, bowman loses.
430AD Bapedi Library->Temple Umtata worker->worker
440AD Zimbabwe MI->MI Hlobane Library->Cathedral Marseilles worker->worker Take out English longbow with Elite sword.
450AD Zunguin worker->worker Egypt start Leo's. England has Chivalry, so, Peace and Chivalry for PP and 1 gold. Egypt Invention for PP and 340 gold. Zimbabwe switches over to coliseum since we only have war with Babs and they are 3 techs back.
OK, 2366 gold and 254 GPT. Astronomy in 20. Hopefully the AI will get around to cascading soon else they will be cascading to Cops. We could research Astronomy in 2 and make a break at Cops for sure, the AI would never see a worthwhile wonder to build again if we press the research envelope. However, Leo's would be nice to get.
RBP 8 450AD
T-hawk
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Ok, good progress. I wonder if Parishaka still has a chance to get Leonardo's by itself and end the cascade. Or would it be better to simply research Astronomy and take a guaranteed Copernicus (timing the research and 400-shield wonder build to finish on the same turn as Skyfish wanted ) And of course another Great Leader or two would be ideal. I'd consider doing an army if we get one more, to make sure that Parishaka can build the Heroic Epic eventually.
Got it, will figure out these decisions and more on the next exciting episode of Culture Conquerors!
) And of course another Great Leader or two would be ideal. I'd consider doing an army if we get one more, to make sure that Parishaka can build the Heroic Epic eventually.Got it, will figure out these decisions and more on the next exciting episode of Culture Conquerors!
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Ive Got... ...it. darn I missed my chance to call it, Again 
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BTW. I am back.
.BTW. I am back.
If it makes it any easier for you guys I *finally* have the ability to play 1.21f as well
As I am the only player on 1.14, we could patch up if you want, of course you still have LK44 on 1.14 so it might not make a difference except to Charis...
As I am the only player on 1.14, we could patch up if you want, of course you still have LK44 on 1.14 so it might not make a difference except to Charis...
T-hawk
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I'll play on 1.14 this rotation anyway, but if nobody objects by the time you pick it up after me, Skyfish, you can go ahead and patch to 1.21.
T-hawk
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Inherited turn:
The great king Thunderhawk is appalled by one fact: Parishaka is not working at its best capacity! It's pulling a useless +3 food surplus with the food box full at size 12. It's reassigned from one of the game squares to a forest, and some workers are ordered to IMMEDIATELY get off their current jobs and get over to plant more forests on Parishaka's game squares. Thus can the city pull the most shields from the most good tiles.
(See, that's why I don't really get into the role-playing when writing these reports. I always end up mixing in game jargon and it reads like the above. )
Thunderhawk does note that according to the Great Historian F11, Parishaka is a great city, greater than all the cities in the world... save two. Thebes and London, and the latter has an ancient Oracle that the people love. Well, we'll demonstrate the superiority of French/Zulu culture!
Thunderhawk decides he will attempt to complete a great Workshop in Parishaka, if it can be done before anyone else discovers the more culturally significant mysteries of Astronomy of Music. It's too late to try to build Leonardo's anywhere else.
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470 AD: The Egyptian city of Heliopolis finally completes Sun Tzu's Art of War. London is the only rival city that will cascade to Leonardo's - the Egyptians can't cascade from Sun's because they built it, and Babylon and India couldn't cascade due to lacking Invention.
480 AD: I decide to spend the gold to investigate London. It has Sun Tzu's-cum-Leonardo's due in one turn! London, by the way, has 1061 culture here in 480 AD, producing 17/turn with the Oracle and Great Wall having doubled, but the only regular culture building is a library which has not doubled. It's also stuck at size 9 running two entertainers. Let's keep that true and not sell England any luxuries.
Parishaka swaps to a Palace and research on Astronomy goes to 80% due in 2 turns. (I considered switching research to Music Theory instead and building Bach's because the city will be up over 400 shields by the time we get Astronomy, but decided not to.)
490 AD: England completed Leonardo's as expected. But, Egypt begins Copernicus! They got Astronomy!
To all of you who wanted to start research early: hear this. If we had researched Astronomy faster, tech devaluation would have caused Egypt to get it at least one turn sooner. That would have caused cascade from their Leonardo's build (which started some time ago; they couldn't cascade TO Leo's having built Sun's but could cascade FROM it) to Copernicus, and might well have threatened us. This is why I kept insisting on keeping research off. One turn of tech devaluation can indeed make all the difference, and nearly did in fact do so here.
I pay Egypt 45 gold to top off our Astronomy research. Parishaka swaps to Copernicus' Observatory and completes it this turn. Research is ordered on Music Theory at 10%, so that we can complete it at a moment's notice if required later, as we did with Astronomy.
500 AD: Massive movement of workers. I have a couple stacks clearing and rebuilding forests at Parishaka in a hunt for bonus grassland squares.
510 AD: A Babylonian galley lands two units at New Zimbabwe. No leaders ensue.
520 AD: Massive movement of workers.
530 AD: MMOW.
540 AD: I realize we don't have an embassy with Egypt and establish it. It's building a university due in 15 turns; that's good because it means a rival capital won't be starting a wonder in the next 15 turns. Memphis, however, is a bit scary looking, at size 12 with lots of shield potential; let's hope it doesn't try to build any wonders.
550 AD: Thunderhawk retires.
Most of Parishaka's forests have been cleared and replanted in the search for bonus grasslands; the two that haven't are the two in the city's southern corners. Keep Parishaka working all three game tiles and any bonus grasslands, at zero food surplus. I miscounted on the worker stack that's mining that one square - it's one worker short, please bring a worker from one of the other stacks next turn to complete the mine and free up the first 5.
It has 114 shields towards the current Palace right now; I hope for this to be JS Bach's Cathedral, and don't see any other wonder tech being researched in time. Shakespeare is three techs away, Smith's two, and Newton's many. (Magellan's is one tech away and could conceivably cause a cascade, but there aren't any powerful coastal cities including none of the rival capitals.)
Keep following whatever the AIs research and cleaning up on all the wonders. Don't finish research on Music Theory until right as we're ready to build the wonder (one turn sooner to get to sell around the tech is okay) - we have no danger of losing Bach's, but what we want to avoid is the AIs starting Bach's sooner and getting to cascade to something else before we can finish Bach's, threatening us on the NEXT wonder.
I'd recommend keeping us at nominal war with Babylon, as we seem to be getting a huge war-hunger happiness boost from it. Look at Rheims; it has only eight happiness factors (don't forget the HG) and is getting three happiness factors out of nowhere. Parishaka too has only six happy faces (luxuries; everything else is content faces), but has nine happy citizens.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/rbp8-550ad.zip
Parishaka is up to number two on the F11 list and should pass London within the next ten turns or so. Vive la Zulu!
Skyfish <<< UP NOW
Charis << On Deck
Skyfish, if you would, play on 1.14 until we hear from everyone that there's no objections to patching to 1.21. If going back to 1.14 would be a hassle, you can go ahead on 1.21.
The great king Thunderhawk is appalled by one fact: Parishaka is not working at its best capacity! It's pulling a useless +3 food surplus with the food box full at size 12. It's reassigned from one of the game squares to a forest, and some workers are ordered to IMMEDIATELY get off their current jobs and get over to plant more forests on Parishaka's game squares. Thus can the city pull the most shields from the most good tiles.
(See, that's why I don't really get into the role-playing when writing these reports. I always end up mixing in game jargon and it reads like the above.
)Thunderhawk does note that according to the Great Historian F11, Parishaka is a great city, greater than all the cities in the world... save two. Thebes and London, and the latter has an ancient Oracle that the people love. Well, we'll demonstrate the superiority of French/Zulu culture!
Thunderhawk decides he will attempt to complete a great Workshop in Parishaka, if it can be done before anyone else discovers the more culturally significant mysteries of Astronomy of Music. It's too late to try to build Leonardo's anywhere else.
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470 AD: The Egyptian city of Heliopolis finally completes Sun Tzu's Art of War. London is the only rival city that will cascade to Leonardo's - the Egyptians can't cascade from Sun's because they built it, and Babylon and India couldn't cascade due to lacking Invention.
480 AD: I decide to spend the gold to investigate London. It has Sun Tzu's-cum-Leonardo's due in one turn! London, by the way, has 1061 culture here in 480 AD, producing 17/turn with the Oracle and Great Wall having doubled, but the only regular culture building is a library which has not doubled. It's also stuck at size 9 running two entertainers. Let's keep that true and not sell England any luxuries.
Parishaka swaps to a Palace and research on Astronomy goes to 80% due in 2 turns. (I considered switching research to Music Theory instead and building Bach's because the city will be up over 400 shields by the time we get Astronomy, but decided not to.)
490 AD: England completed Leonardo's as expected. But, Egypt begins Copernicus! They got Astronomy!
To all of you who wanted to start research early: hear this. If we had researched Astronomy faster, tech devaluation would have caused Egypt to get it at least one turn sooner. That would have caused cascade from their Leonardo's build (which started some time ago; they couldn't cascade TO Leo's having built Sun's but could cascade FROM it) to Copernicus, and might well have threatened us. This is why I kept insisting on keeping research off. One turn of tech devaluation can indeed make all the difference, and nearly did in fact do so here.
I pay Egypt 45 gold to top off our Astronomy research. Parishaka swaps to Copernicus' Observatory and completes it this turn.
Research is ordered on Music Theory at 10%, so that we can complete it at a moment's notice if required later, as we did with Astronomy.500 AD: Massive movement of workers. I have a couple stacks clearing and rebuilding forests at Parishaka in a hunt for bonus grassland squares.
510 AD: A Babylonian galley lands two units at New Zimbabwe. No leaders ensue.
520 AD: Massive movement of workers.
530 AD: MMOW.
540 AD: I realize we don't have an embassy with Egypt and establish it. It's building a university due in 15 turns; that's good because it means a rival capital won't be starting a wonder in the next 15 turns. Memphis, however, is a bit scary looking, at size 12 with lots of shield potential; let's hope it doesn't try to build any wonders.
550 AD: Thunderhawk retires.
Most of Parishaka's forests have been cleared and replanted in the search for bonus grasslands; the two that haven't are the two in the city's southern corners. Keep Parishaka working all three game tiles and any bonus grasslands, at zero food surplus. I miscounted on the worker stack that's mining that one square - it's one worker short, please bring a worker from one of the other stacks next turn to complete the mine and free up the first 5.
It has 114 shields towards the current Palace right now; I hope for this to be JS Bach's Cathedral, and don't see any other wonder tech being researched in time. Shakespeare is three techs away, Smith's two, and Newton's many. (Magellan's is one tech away and could conceivably cause a cascade, but there aren't any powerful coastal cities including none of the rival capitals.)
Keep following whatever the AIs research and cleaning up on all the wonders. Don't finish research on Music Theory until right as we're ready to build the wonder (one turn sooner to get to sell around the tech is okay) - we have no danger of losing Bach's, but what we want to avoid is the AIs starting Bach's sooner and getting to cascade to something else before we can finish Bach's, threatening us on the NEXT wonder.
I'd recommend keeping us at nominal war with Babylon, as we seem to be getting a huge war-hunger happiness boost from it. Look at Rheims; it has only eight happiness factors (don't forget the HG) and is getting three happiness factors out of nowhere. Parishaka too has only six happy faces (luxuries; everything else is content faces), but has nine happy citizens.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/rbp8-550ad.zip
Parishaka is up to number two on the F11 list and should pass London within the next ten turns or so. Vive la Zulu!
Skyfish <<< UP NOW
Charis << On Deck
Skyfish, if you would, play on 1.14 until we hear from everyone that there's no objections to patching to 1.21. If going back to 1.14 would be a hassle, you can go ahead on 1.21.
