Redrawing the Map

[Rossiya]

Ethinicity should not stand in the way of one's interests

Here is a map of the Byzantine empire under the infamous Basil II

They didn't get to my village in Italy then.

 

[Kyriakos]

The only village in Italy i know of is Rekanati (Leopardi)

 

[Guangxi]

No, but it is an important factor. One could say that just because the Croatians and Serbians have a different religion and alphabet, doesn't mean they shouldn't be amalgamated into some sort of... greater southern Slavic state. But what the hell would we call it?

Just saying that by saying the Bosnian Muslims should be joined with Serbia, but the Croatians shouldn't is sort of contradictory.

eh... if you are talking about why most of the muslim areas are a part of serbia its because of this;

as you can see serb and muslim areas are very mixed together. the middle of bosnia is mostly equally diverse, mainly seves as a link to the serb majority area further west. croatia gets its sahre of muslim areas. anyway, why is it serbian and muslim are so incompatible? is christianity required for citizenship?

 

[Bill3000]

eh... if you are talking about why most of the muslim areas are a part of serbia its because of this;
as you can see serb and muslim areas are very mixed together. the middle of bosnia is mostly equally diverse, mainly seves as a link to the serb majority area further west. croatia gets its sahre of muslim areas. anyway, why is it serbian and muslim are so incompatible? is christianity required for citizenship?

For the same reason why the Hui (Chinese Muslims) are a different ethnicity from the Han: The religion ultimately changes the culture and identification of the people. When it comes to the balkans, Orthodoxy has always been part of the identifier of the ethnicities - what made a Greek was simply one who spoke greek and who was part of the greek orthodox religion, rather than ancestry. It's not a matter of citizenship; citizenship has nothing to do with ethnicity. It's a matter of self-identification, and when it comes to the balkan countries, religion has a lot to do with it. It always has been, since the days of the Byzantine Empire.

So in the end, it's not a matter of if it is incompatible or not. It has to do with the fact that the Bosnian muslims, an ethnic group called the Bosniaks, don't identify as Croatian or Serbian. And for the longest time and arguably still today, the major difference between the Croats and Serbs was religion as well - Catholic vs. Orthodox. The languages were considered until Yugoslavia's breakup, part of the same language (Croatio-Serbian) - and what is considered a language is ultimately directly related to ethnicity. Moldovan is considered a different language than Romanian in Moldova because they want to consider themselves a seperate ethnicity; the same with Macedonian and Bulgarian. The diversity of the chinese language is so large that the "language" as a whole may be more of a language family the size of the Romance language family, yet it is considered the same language because they all identify as the same ethnicity, the Han.

 

[Reno]

With regards to all of the maps with Karelia (Isthmus, Ladogan Karelia, Eastern Karelia and Viena Karelia) and the Kola Peninsula added to Finland. As previously stated by Finnish politicians, the area shouldn't be accepted even if it were offered on a silver platter by the Russians. Why ? Due to the fact, that the area is dense with Russians (who outnumber the native Karelian populance), it's polluted and literally millions of euros would have to be used to make the area even habitable by any humane standards.

So, the area should only be joined to Finland, if the Russians depolute it and vacate it from ethic Russians. That's the only way the transaction would make any sense.

As for maps with Finland joined to Russia. Never in a million years.

 

[Mirc]

Moldovan is considered a different language than Romanian in Moldova because they want to consider themselves a seperate ethnicity; the same with Macedonian and Bulgarian.

Hey, honestly, not all Moldovans consider they speak a different language, but those that do are "on my ignore list". In 2001, there was even a dictionary "Romanian - Moldovan". It's the funniest thing I've ever seen. ALL the words are just written twice!

But yes, I agree with your post.

 

[Tee Kay]

If I somehow control Earth, I would let people around the world vote what country they would like to be in and redraw the world map from there.

(Btw I almost finished the World Map based on Perfection's "prediction" #3 in post 16.. I'm naming cities after CFC members...)

 

[Tee Kay]

Hey, honestly, not all Moldovans consider they speak a different language, but those that do are "on my ignore list". In 2001, there was even a dictionary "Romanian - Moldovan". It's the funniest thing I've ever seen. ALL the words are just written twice!

That's what centuries of outside foreign imperialist interference can do. Carving out nations and states without regards to ethnic lines.

 

[Hitti-Litti]

Tailless, let us see it! Sounds fun!

What city am I?

 

[Tycoon101]

Red white and blue: America
Dark Green: Israel
Yellow: DHPF
Light Brown: China
Maroonish color: SexPigistan

 

[Hitti-Litti]

Hmm... Jewish Finland...

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

That'll show those Peruvians!

(is there any reason certain countires are not colored?)

 

[Tycoon101]

That'll show those Peruvians!

(is there any reason certain countires are not colored?)

My cursor was too small to color several small nations.

I had to use dark grey for some of the countries in America, because they would look like I erased them off the map if I colored them white.

Anyway, you get the general jist of my map.

 

[Mirc]

Have you ever heard about the magnifier tool? (that assuming that you're using Pain, if not, it should be zoom in)

 

[Guangxi]

So in the end, it's not a matter of if it is incompatible or not. It has to do with the fact that the Bosnian muslims, an ethnic group called the Bosniaks, don't identify as Croatian or Serbian. And for the longest time and arguably still today, the major difference between the Croats and Serbs was religion as well - Catholic vs. Orthodox. The languages were considered until Yugoslavia's breakup, part of the same language (Croatio-Serbian) - and what is considered a language is ultimately directly related to ethnicity. Moldovan is considered a different language than Romanian in Moldova because they want to consider themselves a seperate ethnicity; the same with Macedonian and Bulgarian. The diversity of the chinese language is so large that the "language" as a whole may be more of a language family the size of the Romance language family, yet it is considered the same language because they all identify as the same ethnicity, the Han.

well, assuming the muslims would put up signifgant resistance, how about this map;

Spoiler :

 

[Trajan12]

Spoiler :

Union of American Capitalist Republics

Jewish Caliphate of Israel

Kurdistan

Japan

Complete European Union

Island Nation of South Korea

AfghanAmeristan

New America Iraq

Guess which countries couldn't make it today.

 

[Azkonus]

well, assuming the muslims would put up signifgant resistance, how about this map;

Spoiler :

Why do you give kosovo to Albanians?

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

eh... if you are talking about why most of the muslim areas are a part of serbia its because of this;

as you can see serb and muslim areas are very mixed together. the middle of bosnia is mostly equally diverse, mainly seves as a link to the serb majority area further west. croatia gets its sahre of muslim areas. anyway, why is it serbian and muslim are so incompatible? is christianity required for citizenship?

I think by displaying that map, you have completely proved my point as to why it is folly to try and draw the borders of states based so heavily on linguistics and ethnicity. And also perhaps why the state of Yugoslavia existed in the first place. Why bother dividing everybody up based on differences, when you can build a wider union based on their similarities.

Maybe those are just my North American sensibilities. After all Canada is based on the concepts of peace, order, and good government, rather than on being "Canadian". That other weird North American country has some of the same ideals too.

 

[Azkonus]

Nation states suck

 

[Guangxi]

Why do you give kosovo to Albanians?