Redundant Prereqs V30

[Faustmouse]

When fixing this:

- Funeral Pyre at Ceremonial Burial, also needs Graveyard [Masonary] -> Ceremonial Burial is redundant.

Have you thought about the changes you make to the Graveyard?

 

[Hydromancerx]

When fixing this:

Have you thought about the changes you make to the Graveyard?

That's what I mean. The graveyrd was fixed so this is no longer redundant

 

[Faustmouse]

- Alhambra at Engineering, also requires Divine Right -> Engineering is redundant.

- Some of the Guilds (Buildings). Do you want me to report them or do you want to keep them all at Guilds (Tech)?

- Book Factory at Paper, also requires Assembly Line -> Paper redundnat.

- Printer's Workshop at Paper, also requires Printing Press -> Paper redundant.

- Great Mosque of Desert at Paper, also requires Divine Right -> Paper redundant.


- Toyotoi Hideyoshi (Hero) at Guilds, also requires Education -> Guilds redundant.

- Anima (Hero) hat Guilds, also requires Education -> Guilds redundant.


Do you want me to keep posting Hero Units as well?

 

[Hydromancerx]

Well Hero units are under strategyonly's domain. You may want to PM him about it.

 

[Faustmouse]

Ok, I'll do that.
And what about the Guilds? And, most likely, Corporations?

 

[Hydromancerx]

For guilds I think its important that they still are linked to guild tech even if it redundant.

 

[Faustmouse]

And why exactly?
And for Corporations?


- The Temple of Heaven at Architecture, also requires Divine Right -> Architecture redundant.

- J.S. Bach's Cathedral at Architecture, also requires Acoustics -> Architecture redundant.



- Tupac Yupanqui (Hero) at Education, also requires Divine Right -> Education redundant.

- Thomas Jefferson (Hero) at Education, also requires American [Representative Democracy] -> Education and Constitution redundant. Change requirements to Representative Democracy

- Hernan Cortes (Hero) at Education, also requires Gunpowder -> Education redundant.

- Henri IV (Hero) at Education, also requires Humanism -> Education redundant.

- Lord Nelson (Hero) at Education, also requires Astronomy -> Education redundant.

- Aurangzeb (Hero) at Education, also requires Military Science -> Education redundant.

- Gustavus Adolphus (Hero) at Education, also requires Military Science -> Education redundant.

- Barbarossa (Hero) at Education, also requires Gunpowder -> Education redundant.

- Yi Sun-Sin (Hero) at Education, also requires Astronomy -> Education redundant.

- Pocahontas (Hero) at Education, also requires Humanism -> Education redundant.

- Tecn Umn (Hero) at Education, also requires Nationalism -> Education redundant.

- Constantine XI Palaiologus (Hero) at Education, also requires Nationalism -> Education redundant.

- Michiel de Ruyter (Hero) at Education, also requires Military Science -> Education redundant.

- Tiradentes (Hero) at Education, also requires Liberalism -> Education redundant.

- Ulugh Beg (Hero) at Education, also requires Astronomy -> Education redundant.

- Shah Rukh (Hero) at Education, also requires Gunpowder -> Education redundant.

- Diponegoro (Hero) at Education, also requires Corporation -> Education redundant.

- Charles V (Hero) at Education, also requires Divine Right -> Education redundant.

- Eugene of Savoy (Hero) at Education, also requires Rifling -> Education redundant.

- Iparhan (Hero) at Education, also requires Nationalism -> Education redundant.

- Isaac Brock (Hero) at Education, also requires Rifling -> Education redundant.

- Pedro II Nkanga a Mvika (Hero) at Education, also requires Divine Right -> Education redundant.

- Lorenzo de' Medici (Hero) at Education, also requires Humanism -> Education redundant.

 

[Hydromancerx]

And why exactly?
And for Corporations?

So when you get Guilds tech you can see which are available to get. Also its much easier to look them up in the civpedia that way.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Faustmouse

- Jousting Tournament at Animal Riding, also requires Tournaments -> Animal Riding is redundant.

Fixed.

- Culture Egypt at Ceremonial Burial, requires State-Religion in City. Can't have a State-Religion before Divine Cult (Civic) [Mysticism] -> Ceremonial Burial is redundant. [Use Mysticism as prereq]

Fixed. Note it was not suppose to require a state religion anymore. The code was left over.

- Culture Malinese at Mining, also requires Salt [Salt Processing] -> Mining redundant.

Fixed.

- Book Factory at Paper, also requires Assembly Line -> Paper redundnat.

- Printer's Workshop at Paper, also requires Printing Press -> Paper redundant.

Fixed. Fixed.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Keep up the good work guys! I know its not so fun working on this kind of near-bug fix type of thing but I have a feeling it'll be nice to have sorted out when playing in game!

 

[Faustmouse]

Keep up the good work guys! I know its not so fun working on this kind of near-bug fix type of thing but I have a feeling it'll be nice to have sorted out when playing in game!

Oh, actually, I really enjoy this work I'm glad I can help to make this mod better, even if it's just a small thing. Is there another thing, beside redundant requirements, tech quotes and maybe Wonder-Movies that I could check for polishing (or gameplay) reasons?


Also, a few new redundant requirements:

- Lotus Temple at Divine Right, also requires Radio -> Divine Right redundant.


- Bombard Mammoth at Gunpowder, also requires Cavalry Tactics -> Gunpowder redundant.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Well, as discussed in the What is First Strike anyhow? thread, I'm going to want to do a thorough review of what units and promotions offer first strike. That said, it'll probably be a while before a good system is truly hammered out there so maybe that can wait...

I'll think more on what needs done... I know that there's a project to catalogue all buildings by categories that could use some help - it will be VERY helpful if we can get that done soon.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Faustmouse

Making a breakdown of what's left.

---- Not My Realm ----

This group is buildings and units which are under other modders realm of control. Its recommended you contact them directly.

DH
- Slave Market at Slavery, also requires Trade -> Slavery redundant.

SO
- All Heroes

Unknown
- Ishtar Gate at Masonry. Also requieres Aestetics -> Masonry redundant.
- Topkapi Palace at Masonry, also requires Feudalism -> Masonry redundant.
- National Archives at Writing, also requires Library [Literature] -> Writing redundant.
- National Mint at Metal Casting, also requires Bank [Banking] -> Metal Casting redundant.
- Great Mosque of Desert at Paper, also requires Divine Right -> Paper redundant.

---- Undecided on What to Do ----

This group are buildings and units I am not sure about and would liek to find another solution to solving them.

Units
- Caribic Blowgunner at Poison Crafting; Caribic needs Boat Building -> Poisoncrafting redundant.
- Ironwood Clubman at Heat Treatment, needs Mampuche [requires: Agriculture]-> Heat Treatment redundant.
- Coyote Runner at Obsidian Weapons, also requires Toltec [Masonary] -> Obsidian Weapons redundant.
- Axe Trower at Bronze Working, also requires Franks [Military Training] -> Bronze Working redundant.

Buildings
- Dried Fruit Maker at Drying, requires Fruit [Agriculture] -> Drying redundant.
- Dried Fish Maker at Draying, requires Raw Fish [Boat Fishing] -> Drying redundant.
- Dairy Barn at Animal Husbandry, also requires Glassware [Glas Blowing] -> Animal Husbandry redundant.
- Housing (Villas) at City Planing, also requires Sewer System [Sanitiation] -> Change prereq from City Planing to Sanitiation.
- Housing (Palaces) at City Planing, also requires Sewer System [Sanitiation] -> Change prereq from City Planing to Sanitiation.

Cultures
- Culture (Olmec) at Megalith Construction. Also requires Sapphires [Mining] -> Megaith Construction is redundant.

---- TODO ----

Stuff I know what to do but have not gotten round to doing it.

Units
- Story Teller requires Trade and Oral Traditions -> Oral Traditions redundant.
- Benin Warbow at Archery, also requires Feudalism -> Archery redundant.
- Yeoman Archer at Archery, also requires Feudalism -> Archery redundant.
- Urban Crossbowman at Archery, also requires Guerrilla Warfare -> Archery redundant.
- Bombard Elephant at Elephant Domestication, also requires Cavalry Tactics -> Gunpowder and Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Flail Elephant at Elephant Domestication, also requires Armoured Cavalry -> Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Mahout Lancer at Elephant Domestication, also requires Armoured Cavalry -> Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Howdah at Elephant Domestication, also requires Armoured Cavalry -> Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Elephant Gunner at Elephant Domestication, also requires Armoured Cavalry -> Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Carack Merchant at Piracy, also requires Optics -> Piracy redundant.
- Sloop of War at Piracy, also requires Compass -> Guilds and Piracy redundant.
- Dromon at Ship Building, also requires Ancient Ballistics -> Ship Building redundant.

Buildings
- Borax Mine at Masonry, also requires Salt [Salt Procsssing] -> Masonry redundant.
- [Not a redundancy but Cooper requires "Copper Wares OR Bronze Wares OR Iron Wares", so Copper Working should be a prereq!]
- Pirate's Cove at Piracy, also requires Astronomy -> Piracy is redundant.
- Forum at Currency, also requires Democracy -> Currency is redundant.
- Poilis Council at Code of Laws, also requires Legislature [Democracy] -> Code of Laws redundant.

Culture
- Culture Indonesian at Boat Building, needs Pearls [Boat Fishing] -> Boat Building is redundant
- Tomol at Boat Building, requires Chumash [Boat Fishing] -> Boat BUilding is redundant
- Culture Carib at Boat Building, needs Crab [Boat Fishing] -> Boat Building is redundant.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Faustmouse

- Story Teller requires Trade and Oral Traditions -> Oral Traditions redundant.
- Benin Warbow at Archery, also requires Feudalism -> Archery redundant.
- Yeoman Archer at Archery, also requires Feudalism -> Archery redundant.
- Urban Crossbowman at Archery, also requires Guerrilla Warfare -> Archery redundant.
- Bombard Elephant at Elephant Domestication, also requires Cavalry Tactics -> Gunpowder and Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Flail Elephant at Elephant Domestication, also requires Armoured Cavalry -> Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Carack Merchant at Piracy, also requires Optics -> Piracy redundant.
- Sloop of War at Piracy, also requires Compass -> Guilds and Piracy redundant.
- Dromon at Ship Building, also requires Ancient Ballistics -> Ship Building redundant

All fixed.

- Mahout Lancer at Elephant Domestication, also requires Armoured Cavalry -> Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Howdah at Elephant Domestication, also requires Armoured Cavalry -> Elephant Domestication redundant.
- Elephant Gunner at Elephant Domestication, also requires Armoured Cavalry -> Elephant Domestication redundant.

Also done.

 

[Faustmouse]

@ Hydro:

Thanks for making this overview, but you missed Furniture Factory and the following:

- Alhambra at Engineering, also requires Divine Right -> Engineering is redundant.
- The Temple of Heaven at Architecture, also requires Divine Right -> Architecture redundant.
- J.S. Bach's Cathedral at Architecture, also requires Acoustics -> Architecture redundant.
- Lotus Temple at Divine Right, also requires Radio -> Divine Right redundant.
- Bombard Mammoth at Gunpowder, also requires Cavalry Tactics -> Gunpowder redundant.

Also, what should happen to the "unknown"-List?

 

[Hydromancerx]

For the unknown list if you could help to track down where the files were located that would help.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Try in Tsentom1 and OrionsMods/Wonders

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Faustmouse

- Borax Mine at Masonry, also requires Salt [Salt Procsssing] -> Masonry redundant.
- [Not a redundancy but Cooper requires "Copper Wares OR Bronze Wares OR Iron Wares", so Copper Working should be a prereq!]
- Pirate's Cove at Piracy, also requires Astronomy -> Piracy is redundant.
- Forum at Currency, also requires Democracy -> Currency is redundant.
- Poilis Council at Code of Laws, also requires Legislature [Democracy] -> Code of Laws redundant.

All fixed.

- Culture Indonesian at Boat Building, needs Pearls [Boat Fishing] -> Boat Building is redundant
- Tomol at Boat Building, requires Chumash [Boat Fishing] -> Boat BUilding is redundant

Fixed and fixed.

 

[Hydromancerx]

- Culture (Olmec) at Megalith Construction. Also requires Sapphires [Mining] -> Megaith Construction is redundant.

This is solved by changing to Jade (because of Jade face asks and carvings). Also Mayans were moved to Indigo instead of Jade. The reasoning is Maya Blue which apparently was unique to the Mayans. It also is a prehistoric resource so it works out (so is Jade).

 

[Faustmouse]

This is solved by changing to Jade (because of Jade face asks and carvings). Also Mayans were moved to Indigo instead of Jade. The reasoning is Maya Blue which apparently was unique to the Mayans. It also is a prehistoric resource so it works out (so is Jade).

But iirc there is no indigo in America (North, South and Central) on the GEM so this has to be fixed.