Release of v1.8 approaching

[Leoreth]

I'll commit another revision either later today or tomorrow, which will contain the Seljuks as a minor civ along with several minor changes. My to do list is almost empty for now, so a proper release of 1.8 is coming soon.

Before I do that, I'd like to spend roughly one week without introducing any new features, but only detecting bugs and smoothing certain things over a bit.

It would be great if you could help me with that by focusing the games on the new features.

 

[Caesar Augustus]

First, that sounds like a well-thought-out plan. While I'd like to think I'm pretty up to date, I'd appreciate knowing exactly what I should be looking at. Just the development of Asia generally or are there some specific things that you think require attention? And while I'm asking that question, do you have any suggestions how we could focus our games on these features? Particular civs to play, approaches to try, etc.?

 

[BenZL43]

Definitely will do anything to prevent it happened any time soon
#Joke

Congratulation for nearly finishing this!

 

[Leoreth]

First, that sounds like a well-thought-out plan. While I'd like to think I'm pretty up to date, I'd appreciate knowing exactly what I should be looking at. Just the development of Asia generally or are there some specific things that you think require attention? And while I'm asking that question, do you have any suggestions how we could focus our games on these features? Particular civs to play, approaches to try, etc.?

Well, playing the civs that were directly affected by this round's changes would definitely be helpful. These are:

- China
- Japan
- India (I've heard very little about them by now)
- Indonesia
- Thailand
- Khmer
- Babylonia
- Turkey
- Iran (respawned Persia)

And to a lesser extent, also Arabia and one of the colonials that gets involved in Asia, in particular Netherlands.

 

[J. pride]

- China
- Japan
- India (I've heard very little about them by now)
- Indonesia
- Thailand
- Khmer
- Babylonia
- Turkey
- Iran (respawned Persia)

And to a lesser extent, also Arabia and one of the colonials that gets involved in Asia, in particular Netherlands.

Are you only looking for bugs or also any perceived imbalances?

BTW: Not really related to bugs but you said that you were going to take a look at The European Conquerors event before release? (In order to better balance them interms of timeperiod)

 

[Leoreth]

Everything. Bugfixing is of course the most important part before release (you can live with broken balance, but not when the game crashes constantly), but the overall performance of the civs I've mentioned is important as well.

Oh, and for the conquerors, I already made Spain and Portugal get theirs with Astronomy instead (and allowed them to build the Trading Company with Astronomy to give the same advantage to the player).

 

[Lord Ainsbirth]

Hello Leoreth,
I can't wait to see the 1.8 version! Come on, do it quicker (whip sound)

 

[Leoreth]

Hehe Release won't come earlier than Wednesday/Thursday next week, though, because I consciously don't want to release as soon as I could.

 

[Lansa]

Feedback:
I started a game with India. Founded as a frontier town Takashila and played at a UHV victory.
Persia later declared war on me, but never attacked with a unit. Persia conquered even Greece and bordered on Rome. But then lost large areas to Byzantium. The Arabs did not manage to conquer any citiy in Mesopotamia.
Then the appearance of the Seljuk Turks. With a huge number of units they overran Persia, Arabia and parts of Byzantium. I played passiv and let the Seljuks in peace.

When the Mongols invaded the same picture. The Mongols took all the cities in Iran, Middle East, Anatolia and Egypt, in addition they conquered China and Russia. The Seljuks survived as a new Arabia on the Sinai Peninsula with the new capital city Mecca.
The Ottomans controlled only Anatolia and Byzantium respawned in Greece,
Iran flipped some Mongolian cities and resist their attacks. But this made it the Seljuks to conquer Badgad, Jerusalem and Sur. The Mongols are still stabil(year 1630)

 

[Leoreth]

Thanks. Do you feel you're becoming too advanced in tech, or is everything balanced out?

Did you try the UHV goals?

 

[Lansa]

I was in some technologies the Persians and Mongols ahead. The Seljuks lacked many early technologies oO.
Due to the appearance Mughal i lost Delhi and Takashila, so the Ottomans and Iran were once again ahead of me.

Meanwhile the Arabs seemed to be too weak. And the stability of the Seljuk Turks did not seem to work.
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The UHV goals I've done. Buddhism and Hinduism are easy. I had 10 cities, 2 in Indo-China, and each with two temples. The largest population is no longer a problem to have, as China always collapses and Indonesia does not intelligently manages

 

[J. pride]

I was in some technologies the Persians and Mongols ahead. The Seljuks lacked many early technologies oO.
Due to the appearance Mughal i lost Delhi and Takashila, so the Ottomans and Iran were once again ahead of me.

Meanwhile the Arabs seemed to be too weak. And the stability of the Seljuk Turks did not seem to work.
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The UHV goals I've done. Buddhism and Hinduism are easy. I had 10 cities, 2 in Indo-China, and in each of two temples. The largest population is no longer a problem to have, as China always collapses and Indonesia does not intelligently manages

Leoreth, this may not be what you would like to hear but in my opinion India and especially Delhi is overdid with resources and floodplains. Even as an independent it has a population of 15. While I do understand why floodplains are added but so many are too much. On the other hand, while you did make China's terrain sooo much better, I think that a 2-3 floodplains should be added to the Yangzete and the Yellow River. For the human, it is good because we have to whip so much early on and for the AI, well they never have a city above the population of 8 (in 600 ad).

 

[Lansa]

Yes. In the year 1000 i had a Pataliputra with a population of 18 and Dehli with 14.
What I also noticed, the Lhasa application does not work. My culture covered tibet and flipped Lhasa. But against the hordes of barbarians there, i couldnt hold it.

 

[Leoreth]

I was in some technologies the Persians and Mongols ahead. The Seljuks lacked many early technologies oO.

I'll cover that.

The UHV goals I've done. Buddhism and Hinduism are easy. I had 10 cities, 2 in Indo-China, and each with two temples. The largest population is no longer a problem to have, as China always collapses and Indonesia does not intelligently manages

Wait, when did China collapse?

Leoreth, this may not be what you would like to hear but in my opinion India and especially Delhi is overdid with resources and floodplains. Even as an independent it has a population of 15. While I do understand why floodplains are added but so many are too much.

Okay, I'll revisit that.

What I also noticed, the Lhasa application does not work. My culture covered tibet and flipped Lhasa. But against the hordes of barbarians there, i couldnt hold it.

Yeah, I had planned to properly flip all the culture there on Lhasa's spawn but then forgot about it.

 

[J. pride]

Okay, I'll revisit that.

Can I do it and post screenshots? If you like it you it ..., if you dont you can always go back.

 

[Leoreth]

A proposal would definitely help. Please don't introduce any new resources there, though.

 

[Lansa]

Okay, "always" been a little exaggerated.
In this game they were unstable, because Japan conquered Hangzhou and Fuzhou (around 1100AD). In one of my other games they had no Great Wall, so that barbarians conquered two cities. Of these, China did not recover.

 

[HurriCline]

Prehaps some type of adverse effect can be added to flood plains. They are very powerfull but never seem to do anything more than to cause sickness. Maybe a random flood event can be added as a negative aspect to all flood plain cities.

 

[BenZL43]

You have to nerf Japan...
Make Philippines inaccessible for them, until mid 1900s

 

[Caesar Augustus]

Ok, just finished my first game as the Thais. It was a lot of fun! Thailand is somewhat unusual in that you can't (okay, maybe just I can't) become a real A+ superpower but you can absolutely stay competitive. To me, that's a positive; it's nice that you're not just gonna steamroll over everybody but at the same time you're not an absolute backward weakling. Strikes me as a nice balance.

Technologically I was behind most of the Euros most of the time. Germany and Russia were well beyond me, with France a little ahead. I was about the same as England, Spain, and Portugal but the first 2 of those were having major issues and Portugal never seems to excel past the Renaissance, which I guess is intentional. I ended up about on par with China and a bit ahead of Japan, the Mughals, and Iran.

The UHVs were interesting enough. It didn't seem like a huge challenge to get enough open borders agreements, really just a matter of getting to Optics in time to get a few Caravels out toward Europe. Making Ayutthaya the biggest city was a bit of a nail-biter. It wasn't that I didn't have the food, happiness, or health, but I was in a plague for most of the 1600's so I really only had a couple of turns to recover. Ended up size 16, just barely enough. The last goal was only possible due to the English deciding to disband most of their Indian stacks after they captured the cities. Oddly, the English didn't manage to get their conquerors until the 1840's, and the Dutch not at all, though that was probably due to their problems at home. Just so I know, are Indonesia or the Philippines included in "South Asia" for the Thai UHV? That last goal would have been a beast if I had also had to get rid of them. As it was I kicked the last Frenchman out of India in 1896 and collected my win 2 turns later.