Religion Help

[ejdacanay]

Hello All,

I'm Having a REALLY hard time converting my Neigbors into Christianity, I'm Playing a Huge Map as American, and The only other person that is Christian is the Arabs (lol), and I'm always sending Missionaries to my Neigbors (Mali and Mongolains) which is really slowing down my production for military, so my question is, is there an easier way to convert people?

The Spreadout For Religion Is Like:

27% Buddhist
19% Hindu
18% Christian
11% Confusist
9% Judism
1% Islam

(Forgot The Rest)

 

[petey]

You can demand they convert. I've never tried that, so I don't know what the effect would be if they say no, though.

 

[walkerjks]

Just get your religion in as many cities as possible. When a civ has no religion, just getting it in one of that civ's city is enough. Once they have an established religion, the only thing to do is make sure you have your religion in all of their cities. They can and do flip, but you have to give them lots of incentive. Even then, there are no guarantees.

 

[ejdacanay]

every1 got a religion right now, and every time i try to convert some1 its always red and it says can't convert cuz not enough pop is christian or somethin (anyways its like 1100 AD i thnk)

anyways the later religions got it hard

 

[Trismegistus]

Honestly, you're probably too late, and better off taking another direction at this point.

It's hard to get people to switch religions unless there are a lot of civs that already have it, because it puts diplomatic pressure on them. You want to get your religion out there early to as many as people possible. I did this with Judaism in my game last night, and over half the world was Jewish.

Basically, religions are nice if you found them early, but the later ones (pretty much anything after Judaism, really) are hard to get around, in spite of getting a free missionary when you found them.

My feeling on religion so far is that it's all or nothing: either get every religion you can (I've had two games in a row now where I've managed to found all 7) or ignore them completely and go for military/cultural/economic stuff, letting religions spread as they will. If you go for ignoring them, you somehow manage to get a Great Prophet and you haven't had the luck of your religion getting around, save the Prophet for a tactical Golden Age, because you never know.

I like religion a lot as a new feature in the game. It's become a core part of my strategy, but, unless you're going to go at it full tilt or have a diplomatic reason for fiddling with it, it's not worth worrying about, imo.

 

[opticaljim]

Yeah, this religion thing is a trip. I've founded four religions in the game I'm playing and I've got a real mix of religion in my Civ, the Spanish. I'm trying to figure out a way to consolidate, but honestly, I don't even know if that would result in a positive effect.

I've got a Christian missionary so I figure I'll put him in one of the citiers that isn't predominantly Christian. I'm also making Christianity my state religion.

 

[Dragoul]

well it is not really neccesary to let others take your religion you can also switch religion.

The only thing you lose is the LoS which is pretty damn handy during war times but then you can switch again. But you still get the benifit (if you have a great prophet building there special temple) of getting money for the cities who carry that religion.

 

[walkerjks]

I'm trying to figure out a way to consolidate, but honestly, I don't even know if that would result in a positive effect.

Normally, if you are organized religion or theocracy, you want to make sure you get your state religion in every city.

Beyond that, I would only spread a religion to get a targeted, needed benefit, such as a new temple to increase happiness, more income (if I have the holy shrine) to reduce a deficit, or more temples so I can build more cathedrals if I am going for a culture victory.

 

[defjam]

your state religion is the first religion you Learn right?

 

[Dragoul]

your state religion is the first religion you Learn right?

no it is the one of your choise (press F7 to change your state religion)

 

[Azragaul]

It is but you can switch your state religion to another if one of your cities has that religion in it.

There is no bad religion in a city btw. Each religion in a city allows one more temples to be built. With the Free Religion civic each religion gives you a smiley face as well. I was playing with this a bit on a Warlord level game with Ghandi. I founded 6 cities only, but also founded all 7 religions. I got enough great prophets to build each religions shrine and then took the time to spread each religion to each city. This allowed me to build a huge amount of temples which allowed for a hugh amount of cathedrals. Achieved a cultural victory by the late 1700's The 3 main cities were produceing close too 1000 culture points by the end of the game.

 

[ejdacanay]

hmm, me thinks the religions system needs a BIG fix

 

[DarMan]

hmm, me thinks the religions system needs a BIG fix

In what way? I personally find it to be a great new addition. I like how it can affect diplomatic relations, bring in income and intelligence with a shrine, and add more happy faces to cities. The religion civics options also gives more strategic options too.

It may not fit your personal strategy, but the great thing about Civ is there is no *one* strategy that will win every game.

 

[ejdacanay]

In what way? I personally find it to be a great new addition. I like how it can affect diplomatic relations, bring in income and intelligence with a shrine, and add more happy faces to cities. The religion civics options also gives more strategic options too.

It may not fit your personal strategy, but the great thing about Civ is there is no *one* strategy that will win every game.

well civ, is spose to be a "Historical Strategy", and every1 being buddhist doesn't seem realistic, also it is VERY hard to spread religion especially for the later religions, maybe it dont need a big tweak, but it certainly needs to be adjusted

 

[DisruptiveIdiot]

well civ, is spose to be a "Historical Strategy", and every1 being buddhist doesn't seem realistic, also it is VERY hard to spread religion especially for the later religions, maybe it dont need a big tweak, but it certainly needs to be adjusted

What the hell? That's pretty realistic. If Asia and Europe were more communicative during the middle ages, perhaps Christianity would have dominated the entire world instead of just Europe and its colonies.

 

[ejdacanay]

What the hell? That's pretty realistic. If Asia and Europe were more communicative during the middle ages, perhaps Christianity would have dominated the entire world instead of just Europe and its colonies.

thats a big IF, isnt it? it didn't happen though, did it? i was excited to buy Civ 4 and check out the religions, but the religion system is a bit out of whack, so it needs tweaks

 

[Ruffin]

The only thing out of kilter with religions is the lack of civil disturbance caused by more than one religion in a city. How many state supported churches in history didn't try to kill the heretics at some point?

The trick with religion is to spread it early. Forget converting a civ that founded another religion. They're invested already. But if you can get missionaries to someone who hasn't spread a religion to all their cities it's fairly easy to convert. Just get it to their capital, they'll spread it along their trade routes themselves. My current game I sent one missionary to the Egyptians. They spread it to their whole civ themselves, plus to the Arabs and French. Both of those converted later. I didn't have to do anything after the first missionary.

 

[ejdacanay]

The only thing out of kilter with religions is the lack of civil disturbance caused by more than one religion in a city. How many state supported churches in history didn't try to kill the heretics at some point?

The trick with religion is to spread it early. Forget converting a civ that founded another religion. They're invested already. But if you can get missionaries to someone who hasn't spread a religion to all their cities it's fairly easy to convert. Just get it to their capital, they'll spread it along their trade routes themselves. My current game I sent one missionary to the Egyptians. They spread it to their whole civ themselves, plus to the Arabs and French. Both of those converted later. I didn't have to do anything after the first missionary.

hmm sounds legit, wut religionwhere u usuing?