Religions in the Expansion

[DefenderofFutur]

I think both for flavor and for added strategy, more religions should be added in the expansion. With those added religions should come an option for a religion "limit", either through a simple slider that goes from none -> maximum. Here are some suggestions for religions:

1. Zoroastrianism: The Religion of Ancient Persia/Iran, this was a pretty important religion in it's time, and influenced several modern religions, including Judaism and Islam.

2. Shintoism: I can't remember if it's just Shinto or Shintoism, but someone can correct me. Anyway, it's the primary religion of Japan, and has as much influence in Japan as Confucianism and Taoism/Daoism do in China.

While these were primarily national religions, I don't see any reason NOT to include them, seeing as they had a big influence on the native populations of their respective countries, and considering Confucianism is practiced only minimally beyond China, I think it's safe to include National religions that are a major part of that nation.

Another idea I had was that perhaps every nation starts out with a generic national religion, that does not diffuse as quickly as one of the big ones they include in the game, but keeps a presence in the nation, which could simulate such scenarios as the influence of Christianity in the Aztec Empire, which had a strong religious belief system that wasn't crushed automatically when the conquistadors showed up. But I dunno, that might not be the best option.

EDIT: Oh and I meant to include Sikhism, which is a significant religious force in central Asia, and is not nationally bound.

 

[Mujadaddy]

You're about a year too late...unless you're just making mod suggestions

 

[jened]

You're about a year too late...unless you're just making mod suggestions

his title and first line say expansion. you've got to assume they'll make an civ4 expansion with more civs, etc.

 

[Dagoth Ur]

Actually, the Aztec religion did die out rather quickly, since the Spanish forbade human sacrifice, and most of the Aztecs thought their gods had starved to death.

 

[MRM]

I think both for flavor and for added strategy, more religions should be added in the expansion. With those added religions should come an option for a religion "limit", either through a simple slider that goes from none -> maximum. Here are some suggestions for religions:

1. Zoroastrianism: The Religion of Ancient Persia/Iran, this was a pretty important religion in it's time, and influenced several modern religions, including Judaism and Islam.

2. Shintoism: I can't remember if it's just Shinto or Shintoism, but someone can correct me. Anyway, it's the primary religion of Japan, and has as much influence in Japan as Confucianism and Taoism/Daoism do in China.

While these were primarily national religions, I don't see any reason NOT to include them, seeing as they had a big influence on the native populations of their respective countries, and considering Confucianism is practiced only minimally beyond China, I think it's safe to include National religions that are a major part of that nation.

Another idea I had was that perhaps every nation starts out with a generic national religion, that does not diffuse as quickly as one of the big ones they include in the game, but keeps a presence in the nation, which could simulate such scenarios as the influence of Christianity in the Aztec Empire, which had a strong religious belief system that wasn't crushed automatically when the conquistadors showed up. But I dunno, that might not be the best option.

EDIT: Oh and I meant to include Sikhism, which is a significant religious force in central Asia, and is not nationally bound.

Welcome to the club - you are not the first who wants some additional religions

What do you think about the idea of a Civ Specific Religion

( describt somewhere in the following thread )

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=131556

- that is , I think, the same that you called a national religion.

The basic idea is that you have to choose if you try to keep your national religion or to adapt one of the world religion. Both would have specific advantages and disadvantages. I think just adding more world religions is pointless, because if there are to many world religions, then there would be less competition

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Well subdivisions Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant, Shiite/Sunni would be good as seperate religion for scenarios. Actually including a mechanism for subdivisions would be great for an expansion.

 

[Mujadaddy]

his title and first line say expansion. you've got to assume they'll make an civ4 expansion with more civs, etc.

oops....

 

[apatheist]

An issue with Shintoism, Daoism, Sikhism, and Confucianism is that they haven't really spread from their origins. Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, and Buddhism all spread beyond the lands they began in, and are more worthy of being called "world religions." That Hinduism was supplanted in Afghanistan and Southeast Asia and that Zoroastrianism has many fewer adherents today doesn't change that. They needed 7 for balance, though.

 

[King Jason]

I honestly don't see the point in expansion talk wehn firaxis is opening Civ4 to full Modability. From simply placing buildings down and making scenarios. To Full on modifications of the AI.

An expansion is only asking them to make you pay what people in this community could more than likely do for you.

Furthermore, you can just go in and edit the religions yourself. First thing I plan on doing is changing Hinduism to plain Polytheism, nothing against Hindus, just I always play Greeks and I want my nations polytheistic nature represented without being associated with the religion that's very different than ancient greek mythology.

 

[Utherhimo]

sumerian
Germanic Pagan hail Wotan!

 

[Evie]

Confucianism is/was very strong in Vietnam, Korea and Japan as well as China, you know...

 

[Fobok]

I honestly don't see the point in expansion talk wehn firaxis is opening Civ4 to full Modability. From simply placing buildings down and making scenarios. To Full on modifications of the AI.

An expansion is only asking them to make you pay what people in this community could more than likely do for you.

Sid Meier said in a radio interview a while back that they already have ideas for expansions, so it's pretty obvious that, unless the game flops (next to impossible, in my mind), there will be expansions.

 

[TerraHero]

If there will, appart from modding, still be an editor like in Civ3 i recon it is very easy to add a religion much like you would add a goverment type.

 

[Mikeytikey]

I must admit I found it very odd that Sikhism was not included as it's generally accepted as a major world religion. I'm not a Sikh myself and know litte about it. It seems to be a little newer than the other religions as according to wikipedia it's based on the teachings of the guru's who lived in India mostly in the 16th and 17th Century. They also have some very wonderful buildings for thier worship too. Maybe a little later in being founded to be useful in civ 4 I suppose.

 

[Red Door]

Shintoism, Ancient Roman/Greek Polytheism, and Ancient Egyptian Religions should be included.

 

[elderotter]

Druidism ruled much of europe for a long time, I disagree to any posts saying this was Paganism - it was very organized with a Priestly Hierarchy and Shrines(oak groves - planted oak groves).

 

[Willem de III]

Speaking of what should be in an expansion:

I thought of the abbility to build land in sea ereas, like we Dutch are used to do for over more than 500 years. We call the dried out sea-beds 'polders'. Offcourse you'll have to invent the dyke in order to dry out sea or ocean beds. And offcourse drying out sea beds can't be done to much, because this'll have it's effect on water levels through out the world with the risk of floods. Should give the game some nice options when every piece of land is conquered. This'll give a weak civ the oppertunity to build new cities in areas where used to be sea so it'll have more chance of succes again. What do you people think of this?

 

[Depravo]

Druidism ruled much of europe for a long time, I disagree to any posts saying this was Paganism - it was very organized with a Priestly Hierarchy and Shrines(oak groves - planted oak groves).

Many pagan cultures had sophisticated religious hierarchies and practices. We can't hope to include them all. Hinduism alone made the cut. All the rest are either major Eastern philosophies or Abrahamic spinoffs. Everywhere but India, the story of paganism is progressive retreat with few interruptions into the modern age.

That and I don't think 'Druidism' qualifies as an organised religion.

 

[elderotter]

Many pagan cultures had sophisticated religious hierarchies and practices. We can't hope to include them all. Hinduism alone made the cut. All the rest are either major Eastern philosophies or Abrahamic spinoffs. Everywhere but India, the story of paganism is progressive retreat with few interruptions into the modern age.

That and I don't think 'Druidism' qualifies as an organised religion.

Then why did Christianity absorb all the survivng druids into Christianity as Priests? We must agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Eshnunna]

Hey don't you people think that seven religions will already be quite a mess to handle??
With more religions it would just be impossible to significantly convert other civs to your religion through missionnaries (well have to see how efficient those lil guys will be)