Removing Globel Warming?

That is not realistic, but I usually get around without nukes or finishing the game faster. By the time the I am in modern age, I usually snowball enough to be able to beat anyone without them.

However right, the Al-Gore Global Warming is a hoax, so I would be for removing it also for anti-propaganda reasons.
 
I always had the impression that global warming results from massive deforestation, and that it can be prevented by preserving the rainforests.
 
I always had the impression that global warming results from massive deforestation, and that it can be prevented by preserving the rainforests.
It doesn't matter a lick, if true, if the AI is hell bent on deforestation, which in my games seems to always be the case. I think the deforestation is one of the prime ways some of the AI's get a huge lead on me. If they kept their forests (at least 50% left) as I do I would probably be beating the lot of them every time on noble. Get into the modern age taking some of their cities, and see if there is a single forested tile standing.
 
I always had the impression that global warming results from massive deforestation, and that it can be prevented by preserving the rainforests.

In the real world that is possible.

In the game, it is nuclear events only.
 
In the real world that is possible.

In the game, it is nuclear events only.

E-E . Neither in real world the rain forests have any decent impact on CO2 conversion. We breathe thanks to seaweed. Nor CO2 has any major impact on climate chance. 99% of all greenhouse gases is vaporised H2O.
 
Of all the forums in the worlds, CIV one was among those I least expected to feature disputable positions on environmental issues quite often. It would appear we'll do just fine without forests/rain forests and fossil fuels are as environmentally friendly as can be.
 
GW is the general term for environmental change due to human activity, including pollution. AFAIK, it can easily happens with just coal plants.

Human activity is obviously having an effect far stronger than the natural processes of the previous 5 billion years. You can argue about the degree and potential consequences, but the facts are incontrovertable.
 
You can argue about the degree

Yeah, degree = negligible.
The man made global warming is a laughing stock for every science institute on the planet that is not on the globalists 2*10^9 $ payroll. Is not a secret that only those who agree to give a public applause get the funding and any criticism is punished with fascistic zeal. But even members of those organizations criticize this bull when speaking on their own behalf.

Watch "Global Warming Swindle"(there's also the follow up debate in Australian tv), "Global Warming or Global Governance?" as an introduction and then just google stuff up. You'll find many(inexistent as Al Gore claimed in his "Convenient Fraud") papers that explain that those couple "facts" behind man made global warming are cherry-picked at best, when not intentionally falsified, such as i.e. "the solar constant".

Moreover there's many reasons to suspect that global warming would be beneficial for humanity. It was after all a huge global warming that allowed humanity to go out of the caves and perform something known today as "the agricultural revolution".

PS People who finance this hoax aka the Bilderberg group are meeting soon in DC. Those are not people who care about environment or the sake of humanity. David Rockefeller even dared to say in an interview that he knows that GW is fake, but it's a useful tool for their agenda.
 
Watch "Global Warming Swindle"(there's also the follow up debate in Australian tv), "Global Warming or Global Governance?" as an introduction and then just google stuff up. You'll find many(inexistent as Al Gore claimed in his "Convenient Fraud") papers that explain that those couple "facts" behind man made global warming are cherry-picked at best, when not intentionally falsified, such as i.e. "the solar constant".

That program was quite flawed in some of it's arguements some of it was ok but other bits of info were not properly explained

Moreover there's many reasons to suspect that global warming would be beneficial for humanity. It was after all a huge global warming that allowed humanity to go out of the caves and perform something known today as "the agricultural revolution".

Yeah, but that was from an ice age to "normal" temperature, GW is "normal" to higher temps (normal means todays temperature, not a normal temperature for the earth becuase their is no such thing)
 
The solar constant, G=1367 [W/m^2], it was predicted in the early 70s to be around 1363 and after loads of data were taken we have the actual CURRENT value above. The sun does go through periods of higher and lesser output, but that doesn't negate the fact that more CO2 in the air is a bad thing because it traps heat that would otherwise escape to space via radiation heat transfer. It's just silly to think that with 6 billion people we can't have a negative effect on our planet, you can visibly see the particulates in the air near some large cities (LA, Hong Kong).

You are right though Mik1984 everyone does have an agenda, what is the agenda of the people trying to discredit global warming? Is it for the betterment of society? Or are they paid by corporations that make there money from burning fossil fuels and don't want to be forced to change?

The best thing about is that we won't be able to burn fossil fuels much longer anyways because they'll all be gone, and the remaining will be so expensive to mine, drill, etc that alternative sources will be cheaper. Nuclear is the answer, but you can find my views on that in an earlier post in this sad discussion with no science.
 
Wow, quite an OT discussion. We will argue about this until a catastrophe occurs, and then we'll argue some more.

Relevant to the gameplay, the point is not to build a personal utopia. GW serves to remind the player that time for a victory grows short. The most expedient victory may be to jump on the exploitation bandwagon.
 
are they paid by corporations that make there money from burning fossil fuels

Fossil burning corporations are owned and controlled by the Bilderberg'ers. That's the biggest magician's trick in this game. This is supposed to trap you in a false paradigm from which the only exit is right into their hands.

The films aren't the best possible and have flaws, but it's because of very limited funding. If there was ANY big money behind GW skepticism we'd see the issue in a much higher profile, however majority of the people can name +/- 80% of pro-global warming arguments, meanwhile they don't have an idea that scientific opposition exist at all. The GW skeptics are in fact so shunned by the corporate media, they need often to resort to going on hard core, 911 truth labeled underground media to get any publicity.

I'm floating over the surface of the topic here, because I don't want to get into scientific stuff yet here, since there are places that present it better as I would do here in a hasty manner and because I don't want to make the lions lazy. I believe that it is enough when I would convince readers to go and do research instead of yearning for someone to deliver you things ready-to-eat - because that will always be someone who wants to manipulate you.

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Yeah, but that was from an ice age to "normal" temperature, GW is "normal" to higher temps (normal means todays temperature, not a normal temperature for the earth becuase their is no such thing)

That's not true and that's much more complicated than that. We haven't even yet reached the temperatures we had in middle ages peak.
 
GW is the general term for environmental change due to human activity, including pollution. AFAIK, it can easily happens with just coal plants.

Human activity is obviously having an effect far stronger than the natural processes of the previous 5 billion years. You can argue about the degree and potential consequences, but the facts are incontrovertable.

Psst. One word: homeostasis.

Also: In game terms, your post is utterly wrong. GW in the game is nuclear event only.
 
GW is the general term for environmental change due to human activity, including pollution. AFAIK, it can easily happens with just coal plants.

Human activity is obviously having an effect far stronger than the natural processes of the previous 5 billion years. You can argue about the degree and potential consequences, but the facts are incontrovertable.
Yeah, like a world filled with exploding volcanoes can be outdone by man:lol:, that is, if you're daft enough to believe that anybody has a clue what things were like that long ago, but one tends to use those same lunatic scientists tales of how they claim things were that long ago to help prove how stupid they are on some other lamebrain THEORY. It's too bad they're too daft to put all their stories together to at least make their fantasies make any sense. I guess they just haven't seen enough people with common sense enough to know they don't know what they're taking about when what they describe isn't actually in the present tense, and therefore don't unionize or something to get all their stories straight. I'm afraid PBS has been largely a failure in that regard.
 
In the 1970s, "Global Cooling" was a very serious concern.

June 13, 2006
Al Gore and some inconvenient truths about global warming
by Michael McCullough at 9:45 PM

Global warming has become a big issue over the past few months with the release of Al Gore's idiotic movie, An Inconvenient Truth. Just two days ago, as a matter of fact, Bill Clinton blamed the increasing number of hurricanes on “Republican policies.” While the press is fawning over the movie and Gore, they have once again neglected — or refused — to do their research. It turns out there are quite a few inconvenient truths for Al Gore and his movie.
Al Gore

“The evil Republicans are destroying the solar system!”

History is overwhelmingly inconvenient for Gore. The earth's temperature, CO2 levels, and other environmental conditions are well within the norm for the past 1,000 years and don't even show up as a blip on the screen for the past 50 million years. Wild weather swings are the norm in our planet's history and we are living in an exceptionally stable climatic period.

While our ancestors were spearing woolly mammoths and painting cave walls, the climate was wobbling wildly. A few centuries of warm, wet, calm climate alternated with a few centuries of cold, dry, windy weather. The climate jumped between cold and warm not over centuries, but in as little as a single year. Often, conditions “flickered” back and forth between cold and warm for a few decades before settling down.

Remember that 1,000 years ago the Vikings were growing grapes in Greenland. Now the area where they lived is too cold to sustain any reasonable amount of agriculture. Perhaps there were some evil proto-Republicans around 1,000 years ago to cause the global cooling.

A really, really inconvenient truth for Gore is that all scientists agree that we're in a period of increased solar activity. The sun, of course, provides all of the heat for earth except the insignificant amount generated by humans. The heat from the sun has increased over the past 100 years and especially over the past 20 years.

According to observations by V. Ramanathan, B. R. Barkstrom, and E. F. Harrison, clouds have a net cooling effect of -17 W/m2 . Svensmark and Friis-Christensen conclude from the diminution of this cooling effect between 1986 and 1990 that the solar irradiance has increased by about 1.5 W/m2 within these three and a half years. A change of this order is quite remarkable, since the total radiative forcing by carbon dioxide accumulated since 1750 has been estimated by the IPCC not to go beyond 1.5 W/m2 . This means that cosmic rays, strongly modulated by solar activity, achieve an effect within three and a half years for which the accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere needs centuries. This shows clearly to what extent the greenhouse effect has been overestimated in comparison with the solar contribution to climate change, which turns out to be the most important factor.

According to NASA, Mars is experiencing global warming, too:

And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress.

Not only is our red neighbor heating up, but Neptune's largest moon, Triton, is also experiencing global warming:

The Earth is not alone in suffering global warming. According to observations made by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and several ground-based instruments, temperatures on Neptune's largest moon have increased dramatically since the Voyager space probe swung by in 1989. So much so, in fact, that Triton's surface of frozen nitrogen is turning into gas, making its thin atmosphere denser by the day.

“At least since 1989, Triton has been undergoing a period of global warming,” confirms astronomer James Elliot, professor of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “Percentage-wise, it's a very large increase.”

There are thousands of references on the Internet about Triton's global warming but Al Gore conveniently omits those truths in his movie.

Further, the big boy in our solar system, Jupiter, is also undergoing global warming.

The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.

...

The global change cycle began when the last of the white oval-shaped storms formed south of the Great Red Spot in 1939.

Finally, Al Gore's movie conveniently omits the fact that water vapor — not carbon dioxide or other man-made compounds — is responsible for about 95% of the greenhouse effect on our planet. The amount of water vapor in the air is controlled by nature and human activity has no effect on water vapor.

Here is a summary of inconvenient truths that Al Gore conveniently fails to mention in his movie. Use these as talking points the next time you talk to someone about global warming:

* Global warming is occurring on Earth, Mars, and Jupiter and Triton in our solar system. If global warming is occurring throughout the solar system, then this is not the fault of humans and casts doubts upon the claims that humans are responsible for global warming on earth.
* Solar activity and heat output has been increasing for 100 years and virtually ALL heat on earth depends on the sun, not humans.
* Our current climate changes are within the norm for the past 1,000 years and unusually stable in comparison to the last 150 million years.
* Water vapor, the concentration of which does not depend on humans, is responsible for 95% of the greenhouse effect. A large percentage of other global warming gases — like methane from termite mounds — come from nature, not humans. The effect that humans have on the greenhouse effect is minimal.
* Al Gore's movie, and the global warming wackos, conveniently omits all of these facts. Global warming is a political issue, not a scientific issue, and unfortunately people are being fooled by Al Gore and scientists with a political agenda.



Global warming is a phony issue cooked up by politicians and scientists with an agenda. I am all for sound environmental policies (I worked in the environmental business for 15 years) but in my work, unlike Democrats and most journalists, I have to deal with facts, not fantasy. We cannot depend on the American mainstream media to give us the facts because most reporters have an agenda and are willing to accept whatever the Democrats say without checking their statements for accuracy.
 
It is really hilarious how those who consider global warming an issue for concern are dismissed as having an agenda. It would seem to me those opposed to taking any measures have a much more apparent agenda - the inescapable profit. Nothing in the universe is as simple as you make it seem. While temperatures on earth depend on the sun, that is certainly not the only element in the equation, take the ozone layer as just one of myriad examples. Saying that you're all for sound environmental policy, while simultaneously maintaining that humans play no role in climate changes whatsoever is simply ridiculous. The US is not the entire world, you know, and the Democrats there are hardly the only ones pushing the issue. But hey, the Kyoto agreement is just an international conspiracy against the Republicans if it suits you to believe so. What a depressing topic this has become.
 
That's not true and that's much more complicated than that. We haven't even yet reached the temperatures we had in middle ages peak.

It is, GW is warming of the current climate (due to greenhouse gas emissions not taking into account other factors that could be happening) which is what i said, i didn't say it was higher than any other period did I :rolleyes:
 
I think global warming should be implemented in the game as another religion. Because, most people clearly treat it as a religion, not a science.

Al Gore can be a prophet. The religion is founded by the first civ to research both "mass media" and "environmentalism".

Discovering the religion causes all manufacturing costs to rise by 25%, and currency output to drop by 20%. Science output also drops by 20%.

Any city (from any civ) that builds a broadcast tower, immediately gets that religion in their city.
 
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