reputation question

[ummmm........]

Okay, here's the fact pattern:

1. France attacks me.

2. I give England the currency tech in exchange for an alliance against France.

3. After a few (less than 20) turns, England forges an alliance with the Ottoman Empire against France.

4. At the end of my 20 turn alliance with England, they come to me and say they do not wish to continue the alliance. I say fine.

5. I am a dirty swindler, and I better not try any of my merchant tricks on anyone.

Huh? I don't get it. Did I have to give England another tech to continue the alliance just because they had allied with the Ottomans? This was my only deal going at the time, no gpt or resources being traded between me and anybody. This was a regular old epic game, C3C 1.22.

 

[socralynnek]

Do you happen to have save games???

 

[ummmm........]

No, I only use autosaves, and this time is long past. Interestingly, once I wiped out France, no one seems to think I'm a dirty merchant anymore. I just recently did a clean reinstall, maybe something went wrong?

 

[chancellor_dan]

Ive found this area of diplomacy to also be confusing. I was attacked by the Spanish for no reason and now everyone else refuses to deal with me after my 'sneak attack' on Isabella!

 

[dreamvirus]

Diplomacy is the worst aspect of the game. It makes no sense at all. It would be a lot better off without it, in my opinion.

 

[Smellincoffee]

"I am a dirty swindler, and I better not try any of my merchant tricks on anyone."

"But you had better not try any of your swinging (your nationality) merchant tricks on me" is a regular diplomacy line. It means absolutely nothing, unless you've tried to get other MAs or make resource or GPT trades and been turned down..

 

[ummmm........]

This I did not know. Are you certain? I've only ever seen anyone say it when I break a deal, which is to say I've seen it quite infrequently indeed.

 

[Kiech]

Occaionally, your trade routes go THROUGH other civs, and if a war breaks out to stop your trade route, thus ending a deal early, you might take the blame...stupid reputation...

 

[KoRnEa]

about the sneak attack on Isabella, you probably had some units in Spanish territory when they declared war on you..

 

[ummmm........]

@Kiech Yeah, I thought of that, but I didn't have any active trades at the time.

@KoRnEa Yes, but that has to be considered a bug. It's not fair for another country to be able to damage his reputation by declaring war.

 

[baboon]

Yesterday I got an MA with Isabella against Zulu and Chinese, in one trade. Isabella made peace with Mao, and the alliance ended, (also with the Zulu because of the deal in one). I also made peace with China and Isabella got annoyed. I made peace with Zulu and Isabella was really pissed.

Doesn't make too much sense either. Well she was still at war with Zulu and I was not, but it's still weird.

 

[Dr Zlu]

Diplomacy is the worst aspect of the game. It makes no sense at all. It would be a lot better off without it, in my opinion.

Oh please, don't say that, it hurts.
Play one of the Total War games and you will suffer a real pain, diplomacy-wise. They offer the most crappy diplo system ever made imho. You might think Civ3's system is not as bad after that.

 

[Kiech]

I dunno...Lords of Magic sucks pretty bad...I played a (non-patched) game and was able to swindle an ENTIRE ARMY that was protecting my enemies leader...which happened to be NEXT to my army of death.

They patched it, but all of the diplo's suck.

Ever try to avoid war with an AI via 'mutual protection' when his armies are obviously making a b-line to your cities? Even putting them in a 'gracious' mood? By the end of my games, the AI reputation is typically crap...but yet they still make awesome trades with each other...