Resolution 1701 passed ... will it last?

[C~G]

And the last sentance, well what can I say besides thats some ****ed up logic.

I'm not really defending naziassbandit's thoughts here but his sayings are as much screwed up logic as saying that "the arab apologists find reasons to blame the west from whatever terrorism might happen". Some people should look more into mirror and less into the face of the enemy when looking for the beast.

Though not equally but still everyone's hands are dirty, it's better to remember that.

PLEBEIAN, n. An ancient Roman who in the blood of his country stained nothing but his hands.
Distinguished from the Patrician, who was a saturated solution.
- Ambrose Pierce

 

[Princeps]

Israel is content in knowing that whatever it does, no matter how dispicable, the arabs have done much worse and won't get so much as a peep from the UN.

Don't put words to my mouth.

Isreal is far worse than the Arabs in this case. Sure, Arabs have alot of blood in their hands as well, but I can't remember any case where arabs would have been worse than Israelis, and I've read a lot of Israeli related history lately. In fact, I've come to the conclusion that Israel is, indeed, illegal and the terrorism against it is justified, given how much hard ship Israel gives to the Palestinians to endure. I see no difference between blowing yourself up in a civilian bus, or levelling flats with a cobra chopper.

I believe Israel was a mistake. The British could not rid themselves of the "colonialism-complex" and stop screwing around with entire peoples like a child plays with his toys.

Israel is somehow special, Israel is above the law. It can impose downright tyranny and use UN resolutions as toilet paper without anyone daring to act. When the Arabs do the same, US cavalry is on their way!

 

[nivi]

Excuse me? They could have had a state in 48', they could have had a state and year after that, except they don't want to live side by side with Israel, they want to see it destroyed.

What about arabs being worse to jews? Did you know there are about as much arab refugees from palastine as jews from arab countries? I don't see anybody asking for a right of return there.

Yes there are hardships on them, but what do you want, to have an open border policy? So even more terrorist could sneak in and blow up civillians?

Oh you don't? See one is targeted against civillians, and one is targeted against a millitant.

Israel may have been a mistake, I won't dispute it, but it is here now, and it won't be dissolved.

What about arabs imposing right down tyranny on jews? Why is no one ever shouting about that?

We will continue using UN resolutions as toilet paper untill theres is a change of mindeset in the UN and it will be fair to both sides.But for a change of mondset in the UN you would need a change of mindset in the arabworld, but I doubt that is coming anytime soon.

 

[Sidhe]

Excuse me? They could have had a state in 48', they could have had a state and year after that, except they don't want to live side by side with Israel, they want to see it destroyed.

What about arabs being worse to jews? Did you know there are about as much arab refugees from palastine as jews from arab countries? I don't see anybody asking for a right of return there.

Yes there are hardships on them, but what do you want, to have an open border policy? So even more terrorist could sneak in and blow up civillians?

Oh you don't? See one is targeted against civillians, and one is targeted against a millitant.

Israel may have been a mistake, I won't dispute it, but it is here now, and it won't be dissolved.

What about arabs imposing right down tyranny on jews? Why is no one ever shouting about that?

We will continue using UN resolutions as toilet paper untill theres is a change of mindeset in the UN and it will be fair to both sides.But for a change of mondset in the UN you would need a change of mindset in the arabworld, but I doubt that is coming anytime soon.

You claim you are victims of the UN but you show no respect for them? The world will turn against you unless you tow the line, you don't want to become another US do you, widely derided for it's lack of ability and derision of the UN. Or as I see the US's will to set up it's own UN with a single member state, itself, and ignore the other 99.5% of the world as if all it says means nothing. You tend to forgot that there is only one country in the world that matters that isn't a member of the UN and that is Palestine. Fine you don't want to listen to them, you might want to listen to the rest of the world though. Because believe me the UN may be unable to effect you but indivivdual governments are. Step into line, or pay the price, perhaps you'll learn why it's wise to be a good soldier and not a bad renegade before you go that far.

 

[Kyriakos]

According to the news Israel continues its war atm, and will decide tommorow (Sunday the 13th) about whether or not it will accept the resolution. So nothing new there.

Btw i doubt that anyone is of the view that in a few days/weeks/months there will not be more suicide bombings in Israel. Does the inevitable have to happen yet again so that people see how useless this war has been? It just killed a few hundred lebanese, and ruined that country's economy. What else has it achieved? .

 

[Rambuchan]

I just posted news last night, here's my opinion.

Isreal is far worse than the Arabs in this case. Sure, Arabs have alot of blood in their hands as well, but I can't remember any case where arabs would have been worse than Israelis, and I've read a lot of Israeli related history lately. In fact, I've come to the conclusion that Israel is, indeed, illegal and the terrorism against it is justified, given how much hard ship Israel gives to the Palestinians to endure. I see no difference between blowing yourself up in a civilian bus, or levelling flats with a cobra chopper.

I believe Israel was a mistake. The British could not rid themselves of the "colonialism-complex" and stop screwing around with entire peoples like a child plays with his toys.

Israel is somehow special, Israel is above the law. It can impose downright tyranny and use UN resolutions as toilet paper without anyone daring to act. When the Arabs do the same, US cavalry is on their way!

This is, unfortunately, a very true post. I find agreement with it because, unlike nivi's version, it has stood back from the situation and history, had a look at all of it, and come to a conclusion. I've done the same and think the same. It's an ugly, ugly, ugly truth, which the semantics of "terror" mask so conveniently. Terrorists are like little flies in this context, Israel's the full fire breathing dragon, ready to lay waste to a nation at the buzz of a fly.

We will continue using UN resolutions as toilet paper untill theres is a change of mindeset in the UN and it will be fair to both sides.

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You claim you are victims of the UN but you show no respect for them?

Exactly. That's why my sympathy waned ages ago. Crying blue murder when terrorists attack, then doing so much worse. Asking for the UN, then mocking it. And all for what?

 

[Sidhe]

According to the news Israel continues its war atm, and will decide tommorow (Sunday the 13th) about whether or not it will accept the resolution. So nothing new there.

Btw i doubt that anyone is of the view that in a few days/weeks/months there will not be more suicide bombings in Israel. Does the inevitable have to happen yet again so that people see how useless this war has been? It just killed a few hundred lebanese, and ruined that country's economy. What else has it achieved? .

Good question.

Positives:

1)it's shown Hezbollah that there are consequences for it's actions.
2) peaceful resolutions elsewhere may now happen.

Negatives:

1) It's shown Hezbollah that Israel is easily provoked and that they can win the propaganda war.
2) It's shown Israel that it is well armed and trained and willing to die for it's warped ideals.
3) It's coining it atm as Iranian citizens increase funding to Hezbollah.
4) It may not be in the area for ever but it's numbers will now swell, it can take up residence in several other countries should it so chose. All terrorist groups stand to gain members due to general Islamic radicalisation.
5) the world generally is pissed off with Israel, it has seriously damaged it's international reputation.
6) Lebanon will take years to rebuild and a country that was on the road to recovery has been smashed back down to Earth, and what's even sadder is that the Lebanese civillians will suffer and they are hardly the ones to blame for this situation.
7) The area is now even more inflamed than before, and the fire will inevitably spread to other conflicts by radicalising other Muslims not necessarily into terrorism, but turning moderates into partisans.
8)The US is gaining a bad reputaion out of this even though it is not there fault, however there moly codling of Israel has made Israel cocky, so some blame is inherent with the deal.
9)Now other countries people have to die to bring peace to the region.
10) drawing attention towards the ME is not a solution to the problem, drawing it away is.
11) This is financially costly to Israel.
12) Nothing material or tangible has been gained by this, nothing intangible either as yet.

 

[Rambuchan]

* 1955-1992:
* * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* * Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* * Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* * Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* * Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
* *Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* * Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* * Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* * Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
* obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* * Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* * Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* * Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
* states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* * Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
* two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* * Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
* council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* * Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
* by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* * Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
* claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* * Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
* Palestinian mayors".
* * Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
* nuclear facility".
* * Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
* Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* * Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* * Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
* allow food supplies to be brought in".
* * Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
* and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* * Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
* in attack on PLO headquarters.
* * Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
* its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* * Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
* at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* * Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
* denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
* requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* * Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* * Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
* at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* * Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
* Nations.
* * Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
* Palestinians.
* * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
* calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* * Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
* and calls for there immediate return.

Israel is above the law. Israel is content, knowing that whatever it does, no matter how despicable, the western apologist will always blame the terrorists.

Well posted again.

 

[Princeps]

Israel may have been a mistake, I won't dispute it, but it is here now, and it won't be dissolved.

Despite my seemingly radical believes, I agree. Israel is there now and it wont go anywhere, I'm pragmatic about that. I support a common state solution, the land area is simply too narrow for two states. Both sides have got to work it out, it requires patience. A lot.

 

[brennan]

Very much agreeing with Naziassbandit and Rambuchan.

When Israel is provoked it always seems to over-react, and many innocents die.

Granted, the blame starts with the terrorists. But more restraint may have eased matters years ago.


In terms of what is happening now: Is there anything in the agreement about the kidnapped soldiers whose disappearance started this affair? If we are still in a stalemate over hostages then I do not see how this is going to work out.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

* 1955-1992:
* * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* * Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* * Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* * Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* * Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
* *Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* * Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* * Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* * Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
* obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* * Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* * Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* * Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
* states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* * Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
* two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* * Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
* council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* * Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
* by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* * Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
* claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* * Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
* Palestinian mayors".
* * Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
* nuclear facility".
* * Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
* Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* * Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* * Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
* allow food supplies to be brought in".
* * Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
* and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* * Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
* in attack on PLO headquarters.
* * Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
* its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* * Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
* at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* * Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
* denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
* requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* * Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* * Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
* at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* * Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
* Nations.
* * Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
* Palestinians.
* * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
* calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* * Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
* and calls for there immediate return.

If this doesn't show the inadequacy of the United Nations, I don't know what will. How many times has 1)Israel violated these 2) how many of these are simply re-iterations of earlier ones, or, my personal favorite: 3) they "strongly condemn X action," that last one reminds me of the League of Nations, when Japan went to war with China.

 

[Sidhe]

If this doesn't show the inadequacy of the United Nations, I don't know what will. How many times has 1)Israel violated these 2) how many of these are simply re-iterations of earlier ones, or, my personal favorite: 3) they "strongly condemn X action," that last one reminds me of the League of Nations, when Japan went to war with China.

Israel may have complied if the US didn't keep vetoing sanctions, it's not powerless your just utterly without a centre in the issue. It would be adequate and the situation would be a less violent one if Israel ever had any repurcussions for it's toy throwing from it's pram.

But no the US just has to step between the judicial process of the UN and skew the balance wholy too far into Israels favour. Take the log out of your eye before you criticise the UN. Besides I'm tired of proving that the UN isn't powerless, if you don't want to find out what the UN achieves then don't, but please don't start telling everyone it's powerless based on one situation out of hundreds, it's damned annoying to keep hearing this as if the rest of the world doesn't exist and only UN resolutions that concern the US or Israel are for discussion, Their are four other countries with the power of veto that could seriously halt UN progress and any progress in the middle East if they so chose, you seem to be the only ones who have to use it on a regular basis as if it's a right not a privelage of the larger or more politically powerful countries.

The damage going against the UN has done the US may not be immediately apparent, nor is the damage that Israel has done by ignoring it, but they will have to learn or they will have to suffer consequences for it, in fact they are, but there not direct ones, there terror campaigns and other overt hostility from the region. Also political ill feeling, and mistrust, which could result in less support for anything the US or Israel wants in the future and a skewing to counter the imbalance lopsided bias introduces.

 

[Leatherneck]

* 1955-1992:
* * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* * Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* * Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* * Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* * Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
* *Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* * Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* * Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* * Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
* obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* * Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* * Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* * Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
* states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* * Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
* two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* * Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
* council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* * Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
* by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* * Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
* claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* * Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
* Palestinian mayors".
* * Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
* nuclear facility".
* * Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
* Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* * Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* * Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
* allow food supplies to be brought in".
* * Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
* and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* * Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
* in attack on PLO headquarters.
* * Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
* its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* * Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
* at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* * Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
* denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
* requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* * Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* * Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
* at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* * Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
* Nations.
* * Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
* Palestinians.
* * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
* calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* * Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
* and calls for there immediate return.

How many times have the surrounding Arab countries been condemned, regretted, or spanked on the wrist? How many suicide attacks have been waged at Israel with out so much as a peep out of the UN?

So why does Israel get them and the Arabs states do not? You have a nice list there, but the true question should be is why is the UN bias?

Oh there is an answer ... terrorist aren't member states and the UN says nothing just condemns member states for trying to protect them self.

 

[Winner]

It will be violated by everyone, but it will last.

 

[Elrohir]

I find it depressing that only three people here, 8% of the voters, believe this resolution will work.

On the other hand, my respect for the rest of CFC OT just went up; I thought we would have a lot more people duped into believing Hezbollah's sob story.

Of course I hope this works out - but I'm not holding my breathe, and I won't be shocked in the slightest if Hezbollah attacks Israel a month from now - or just doesn't stop after Israel officially agrees to the Resolution.

 

[Sidhe]

How many times have the surrounding Arab countries been condemned, regretted, or spanked on the wrist? How many suicide attacks have been waged at Israel with out so much as a peep out of the UN?

So why does Israel get them and the Arabs states do not? You have a nice list there, but the true question should be is why is the UN bias?

Oh there is an answer ... terrorist aren't member states and the UN says nothing just condemns member states for trying to protect them self.

Because of you and your over used power of veto, it skews the bias onto your side and so there is a deliberate counter, I explained that in my last post, but I think you didn't read it. So just pointing that out, not spam,

 

[Leatherneck]

Because of you and your over used power of veto, it skews the bias onto your side and so there is a deliberate counter, I explained that in my last post, but I think you didn't read it. So just pointing that out, not spam,

No I read your post and I just don't agree with it. However, I respect your views.

It's not 1 resolution that has made the UN weak it's many all accross the world, the UN rarely puts teeth in their resolutions and believe countries are going to do what they say just because they are the UN. You seem to want to, to need to blame the US for all of the world problems. Pretty sure we're not the bad guys here.

 

[Sidhe]

No I read your post and I just don't agree with it. However, I respect your views.

It's not 1 resolution that has made the UN weak it's many all accross the world, the UN rarely puts teeth in their resolutions and believe countries are going to do what they say just because they are the UN. You seem to want to, to need to blame the US for all of the world problems. Pretty sure we're not the bad guys here.

Not all but they do have a significant impact on the ME, and I'd as it's for the most part very negative, and believe me I wouldn't be alone in that assertion.

So why is the UN so biased then? Do tell?

It has created 167 peacefull resolutions to conflicts and prevented countless others from ever starting, if that's powerless it's no sort of lack of power I could name, I wonder if I should put up the link of UN achievements again, just to show how wrong that assertion is, are you surprised it appears only US citizens say this, or is this not indicative of a will to try and rob the UN of power the US has had ever since it spawned this damned unruly child, it is the UN not the USN you know You are responsible for the UN not doing it's job properly then you complain it has no power, physician heal thyself I say.

 

[brennan]

Courtesy of the beeb...

Hezbollah 'will observe UN truce'

Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said the UN draft was "unjust"
Hezbollah's leader has said his group will abide by a ceasefire plan agreed at the UN to end fighting with Israel.
However, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said on TV that Hezbollah would continue fighting as long as Israeli soldiers remained in Lebanon.

The UN resolution called for a "full cessation of hostilities".

But Israel has since tripled its troops in south Lebanon and Israeli radio says some have reached the key strategic target of the Litani River.

Israel's Cabinet will discuss the UN resolution on Sunday and says it will only halt military action after taking a vote.

'War not ended'

On Hezbollah's al-Manar TV channel on Saturday, Sheikh Nasrallah said the UN resolution was "unfair" in holding his group responsible for the fighting.


The Security Council emphasises the need for an end of violence, but at the same time emphasises the need to address urgently the causes that have given rise to the current crisis

UN resolution text


Text of resolution
Ceasefire: next steps
UN vote backs truce
Mid East crisis: Key maps

But he added: "We will not be an obstacle to any decision taken by the Lebanese government."

And referring to Israel's insistence it has the right to continue military operations in Lebanon in self-defence, Sheikh Nasrallah said: "As long as there is Israeli aggression, it is our right to fight them and defend our land."

He added: "The war has not ended. There have been continued strikes and continued casualties. Today nothing has changed and it appears tomorrow nothing will change."

Sheikh Nasrallah said Hezbollah would co-operate with the deployment of UN and Lebanese troops in the south.

The BBC's Nick Childs in Beirut says this appears a very conditional acceptance, aimed at maintaining Lebanese political unity.

The Lebanese Cabinet is meeting to discuss the UN truce but ahead of the talks, Prime Minister Fouad Siniora indicated he would back it, saying: "This resolution shows that the whole world stood by Lebanon."

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is also asking his Cabinet to endorse the resolution, describing it as positive and acceptable.

More than 1,000 Lebanese and more than 120 Israelis have been killed in the conflict since Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers on 12 July in a cross-border raid.

Hilltop village

Israel's army chief, Lt Gen Dan Halutz, said on Saturday Israeli troops would remain in Lebanon until the arrival of a UN peacekeeping force - expected to be 15,000-strong.


The Israeli troops in Lebanon are now estimated at about 30,000

Gen Halutz did not give a figure for the new number of Israeli troops currently in Lebanon, but Israeli sources put it at about 30,000.

Israeli radio on Saturday quoted the head of the northern command, Maj-Gen Udi Adam, as saying "some of the forces have reached the line of the Litani" - up to 30km (18 miles) from the Israeli border.

The Israeli army also confirmed it had airlifted hundreds of troops by helicopter into positions in south Lebanon.

Several sources confirm heavy clashes between Israeli troops and Hezbollah fighters at the village of Ghandouriyeh, 11km inside Lebanon.

Israeli jets also raided the city of Sidon - north of the Litani - destroying facilities at a power station. It is only the second time Sidon has been hit in the conflict, which began more than four weeks ago.

According to Lebanese security sources, up to 15 people were killed in an Israeli air strike on the village of Rshaf in south Lebanon.

Israel has said it has killed more than 40 Hezbollah fighters in the past 24 hours.

HAVE YOUR SAY
The UN needs to be firm but fair in its handling of the emerging situation

Peter Hewitt, Borehamwood, UK


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Hezbollah has also fired more rockets into northern Israel, but Israeli sources say the number is far fewer than in recent days.

The UN special envoy to the Middle East, Alvaro de Soto, said he expected Israel to wind down its operations in the next couple of days. No timetable has been agreed on the truce.

UN Security Council resolution 1701 says Hezbollah must end attacks on Israel while Israel must end "offensive military operations" in Lebanese territory.

On Saturday, US President George W Bush praised the UN move, adding: "I now urge the international community to turn words into action and make every effort to bring lasting peace to the region."

Mr Bush also added more condemnation of Hezbollah, saying it shared the same "totalitarian ideology" as those arrested in a suspected plot to blow up US-bound jets from Britain.

 

[MobBoss]

You claim you are victims of the UN but you show no respect for them?

If I am a victim of the mafia should I respect them? Why should we respect that which has victimized us? I utterly fail to see the logic in this comment.

You tend to forgot that there is only one country in the world that matters that isn't a member of the UN and that is Palestine.

Huh? Uh...you may want to check your sources. Is Taiwan a member of the UN? How about the independent vatican state? Nope. Again, you are dead wrong. Heck, even Switzerland wasnt a member until 2002.

Step into line, or pay the price, perhaps you'll learn why it's wise to be a good soldier and not a bad renegade before you go that far.

This sure does sound like a threat. Tell me, which country is going to invade Israel to make them "pay" and I will be glad to comment on why they wont.