Cetrix
Merovingian
Yes I strongly agree we need a subforum.
@srpt : did you had time to check my savegame ?
And for the west "barbarian" civs, this is good.
But for Visigoths you may add south gaul to the conquest/hold UHV. For the UB, maybe something in relation with culture (Visigothic Arts and architecture is famous). As UP... well, maybe a bonus versus barbarian units, like no XP limit ? They fought barbarians for Rome, and later they fought Suebi. But it needs challenging barb spawns.
Human visigoth may start 2 tiles E, then 3 tiles south of Burdigala at the spot of Tolosa. Flip Burdigala (and around Barcelona ?). The starting challenge should be conquer Hispania and hold it versus barbarians, then do the UHV.
As AI, set the capital to Toledo few turns after the spawn, like Seleucids for Antioch, to make room for franks. And it could be a UHV.
So... an example :
Visigoths, start at Tolosa in 418 (with few units, Pontus-like growing civ ?).
1) Build a palace in Toledo and control Hispania by 500 (or earlier, but not that historical).
2) Discover Jurisprudence before other western barbarian civilizations and have 50 piety and 20 stability by 650.
3) Control Hispania, South Gaul, Italy and Western North Africa in 750ish.
UP : The power of foedus (fight bonus versus barbarians and XP limit extended, friendly relation with Western Rome (start as vassal may be fun))
UB : Visigothic church (Christian church)
UU : ?
This sounds fair to me, this way you cover all aspects of this civilization. The foedus, conquer Hispania, make the civ stable and religious, fight back Justinian and Muslims.
@srpt : did you had time to check my savegame ?
And for the west "barbarian" civs, this is good.
But for Visigoths you may add south gaul to the conquest/hold UHV. For the UB, maybe something in relation with culture (Visigothic Arts and architecture is famous). As UP... well, maybe a bonus versus barbarian units, like no XP limit ? They fought barbarians for Rome, and later they fought Suebi. But it needs challenging barb spawns.
Human visigoth may start 2 tiles E, then 3 tiles south of Burdigala at the spot of Tolosa. Flip Burdigala (and around Barcelona ?). The starting challenge should be conquer Hispania and hold it versus barbarians, then do the UHV.
As AI, set the capital to Toledo few turns after the spawn, like Seleucids for Antioch, to make room for franks. And it could be a UHV.
So... an example :
Visigoths, start at Tolosa in 418 (with few units, Pontus-like growing civ ?).
1) Build a palace in Toledo and control Hispania by 500 (or earlier, but not that historical).
2) Discover Jurisprudence before other western barbarian civilizations and have 50 piety and 20 stability by 650.
3) Control Hispania, South Gaul, Italy and Western North Africa in 750ish.
UP : The power of foedus (fight bonus versus barbarians and XP limit extended, friendly relation with Western Rome (start as vassal may be fun))
UB : Visigothic church (Christian church)
UU : ?
This sounds fair to me, this way you cover all aspects of this civilization. The foedus, conquer Hispania, make the civ stable and religious, fight back Justinian and Muslims.