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T4E's geography changes seem ok, although I think the Yellow Sea is too big in that WB. Also there is too much jungle and hills in Vietnam now - it's going to be impossible to for Au Lac to meet their goal with their two other city sites blocked off by jungle.
Also, like you said, waaaaaay too many resources. Even if there were all those resources in China back then, it makes the gameplay far too unbalanced to have them all there. Particularly the happiness resources - China can't have silk, gold, silver, sugar, hemp, dye and tea all within range of its cities as this will make it too easy for the player. I would say leave the tea and maybe dye, but no other happiness resources in greater China.
And fewer cities please. The ones included by T4E may all have been important, but then the mod already misses out important cities like Nicaea, Konya and Kayseri in Anatolia to avoid having an excessively crowded map. With all those cities in, it will be impossible for the Qin to achieve their conquest goal, and the Han will have to raze most of them to grow the remaining cities enough to achieve their goals.
Quick civics question - when running Tyranny, is the number of units to increase happiness supposed to go up as it does?
Currently it seems that you need one unit for +1
, but another two for the second . So if you have ten units in a city you only seem to get 4. No problem if this is how it's supposed to work, but the civic screen says +1 per unit so wanted to check which is supposed to be right!
Currently it seems that you need one unit for +1
, but another two for the second . So if you have ten units in a city you only seem to get 4. No problem if this is how it's supposed to work, but the civic screen says +1 per unit so wanted to check which is supposed to be right!
DrZomboss
Brrrainz Gourmet
Why not add some city locations? Some map regions are still not occupied. Kayseri/Mazaka/Caesarea could be there, but it would make it harder for Pontus if spawned. Maybe Tigranakert could actually be settled, since the city founding spot is on forest... who is impassable for settlers. Gaul, Iberia, Britain and Lusitania have loads of potential city spots, the only city ever founded in Libya is Cyrene, Crete, Malta, Corsica, Aethiopia, Caledonia, Hibernia, Scania and Slavia aren't settled at all (same for Siberia, but it would be difficult to found a city who existed there), Makan could be settled by Saba, but it just doesn't exist long enough, since they find Shabwa, Bakkah, Yathreb and Samharm earlier, Gerrha/Hagar could be settled too, there are cities in Somalia who will never be founded due to the lack of oasis, you could add Kalisia (modern Kalisz) in Poland who existed in Roman times. Guess there could be more changes, but it's enough points for one time
Why not add some city locations? Some map regions are still not occupied. Kayseri/Mazaka/Caesarea could be there, but it would make it harder for Pontus if spawned. Maybe Tigranakert could actually be settled, since the city founding spot is on forest... who is impassable for settlers. Gaul, Iberia, Britain and Lusitania have loads of potential city spots, the only city ever founded in Libya is Cyrene, Crete, Malta, Corsica, Aethiopia, Caledonia, Hibernia, Scania and Slavia aren't settled at all (same for Siberia, but it would be difficult to found a city who existed there), Makan could be settled by Saba, but it just doesn't exist long enough, since they find Shabwa, Bakkah, Yathreb and Samharm earlier, Gerrha/Hagar could be settled too, there are cities in Somalia who will never be founded due to the lack of oasis, you could add Kalisia (modern Kalisz) in Poland who existed in Roman times. Guess there could be more changes, but it's enough points for one time
I'm talking about all the extra Chinese cities in T4E's proposed map. Take a look at the WB file and you'll see what I mean. I agree that some cities could be added to other regions in the map, but not to make the regions too crowded.
Personally I see no value in adding Kayseri on a map of this scale - there is only a two tile gap between Sinop and Tarsos so it would be far too cramped imo. I would be fine with more cities in Gaul, Iberia, Britain, Malta, Corsica and all the rest, just as long as they are sufficiently spaced out and the region isn't so crowded that none of the cities can grow to historical size.
DC123456789
Deity
Eusebia/Caesarea/Kayseri has been added to the Antigonid and Seleucid settler maps, and will probably eventually end up on that of everyone who might control Anatolia. It's not very highly weighted, though. Ptolemies should settle more of Libya now as well, and both the Antigonids and Ptolemies should start settling Crete if they live long enough. In the timeline of this mod, I don't think there were any cities or organized polities in Aethiopia, Caledonia, Hibernia, Scania or Slavia to really merit cities, and they were very marginal areas anyway.
I do agree that there are too many preplaced Chinese cities there- they should be settled over the course of the timeline, but not pre-existing and giving the Qin too hard of a time unifying China.
I do agree that there are too many preplaced Chinese cities there- they should be settled over the course of the timeline, but not pre-existing and giving the Qin too hard of a time unifying China.
Has Mediolanum been removed from the Roman 270BC start? It doesn't seem to be spawning at the moment.
If so, can the Romans be given an extra starting settler to compensate for the lost city? I think they will be quite badly handicapped otherwise.
If so, can the Romans be given an extra starting settler to compensate for the lost city? I think they will be quite badly handicapped otherwise.
Saguntum also didn't spawn (east coast of Iberia) so that could be the issue, but it's never happened before.
How do I enable python exceptions?
thrash4ever
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Sounds like some changes on East Asia graphic is happening, really glad to know that.
Silk, gold, silver, sugar, hemp, dye and tea, I put all those within China's range, because there are historically there. And you see the different resource distribution between South and North, this is to make sure that Qin could afford to, and would like to attack some remote cities such as Gusu and Panyu...
The cities I put in were important ones, and I already omitted a lot. These cities are there to represent the era of Warring States just before Qin's unification. Qin indeed made a lot of efforts conquering all those. See below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_states
I'm not against balancing, we can disuss and compromize. But for me this mod will be even more interesting if we have more rivers, cities, resources in both East and West. I don't know if this is already against what this mod is meant for, but you see at least there're other potentials.
I'm looking forward to the new graphic, and I can provide new city name list after that. We can discuss how many cities to pre-exist...
Silk, gold, silver, sugar, hemp, dye and tea, I put all those within China's range, because there are historically there. And you see the different resource distribution between South and North, this is to make sure that Qin could afford to, and would like to attack some remote cities such as Gusu and Panyu...
The cities I put in were important ones, and I already omitted a lot. These cities are there to represent the era of Warring States just before Qin's unification. Qin indeed made a lot of efforts conquering all those. See below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_states
I'm not against balancing, we can disuss and compromize. But for me this mod will be even more interesting if we have more rivers, cities, resources in both East and West. I don't know if this is already against what this mod is meant for, but you see at least there're other potentials.
I'm looking forward to the new graphic, and I can provide new city name list after that. We can discuss how many cities to pre-exist...
I've played a few 550AD games recently, and it seems like the Arab conquerors event triggers a lot of the time, even after the Arabs control the Levant, Egypt and much of Anatolia. I've seen it triggered, followed by the Arabs capturing Ankara, so the conquerors script may be too aggressive in that area?
I've finished updating all 4 maps with the new coastline and rivers. I might finish the terrain today. so far the cities that are moving (Jinyang, Ji) still have the same names on our map. after I finish the terrain we can talk about resources.
the Arab conquerors are only supposed to spawn in the North African provinces. maybe Byz is getting hit with the leftovers. also I just checked and the were getting 6 Ghazis, 6 marksmen and 3 trebuchets per city. I lowered it to 3/2/1. thats rev 175
its in your ini file. you can check if they are enabled by taking any file out of the python folder and trying to launch the mod
Ok, so I took a load of the files out of the python folder, tried to launch the mod and got a load of python exceptions - "Traceback (most recent call last)" and "File "<string>", line 1, in ?" and others.
Not sure if that's good or bad, but after putting the files back in and launching again I still have no joy. No Mediolanum, no Saguntum and no Nicopolis either. Anything else I can try?
My ini files are pasted below (easier than trying to upload the ini!)
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Saguntum seems to have gone awol. its supposed to be in the 320bc WBS but it isn't right now. I'll fix it when I get home.
Mediolanum should be spawning, don't know what's up with that. I'll do a test when I get home.
Nicopolis never spawns, its not supposed to.
Mediolanum should be spawning, don't know what's up with that. I'll do a test when I get home.
Nicopolis never spawns, its not supposed to.
Ok that's weird - a few times before Saguntum and Mediolanum disappeared I saw Nicopolis on the coast NW of Athens and SW of Pella. Possibly that has something to do with the missing two cities?
DC123456789
Deity
That's strange, I've seen it preplaced on the 320 BC map for the last few revisions.
DrZomboss
Brrrainz Gourmet
I think Nicopolis was changed to Epidamnos some revisions ago.
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