RFC Europe -Art and Flags Thread

Cethegus · Oct 18, 2009

Yes, that's true. I got a bit carried away. And you're right, I think it was Thomas' War I saw him in. I deleted both Thomas' War and Rise of Mankind from my Mods folder a while ago and it's possible I mixed them up together.

Staying on topic what's the case on the Dutch leaderheads? Are Johan de Witt and Willem van Oranje concensually supported inclusions? Although this is Thomas' War influenced (again), the black Stuyvesant might work wonders for a religious Eastern European middle leader, should there be need for one.

Oh yeah. Does Venezia need a second leaderhead? And is the current Dagolo the best LH around to depict the current leader? Surely the blind eye effect can be added on the fly, yes?

embryodead · Oct 18, 2009

Hmm, that LH was made specifically to represent Dandolo, he has venetian symbols and looks blind (cloudy eyes). I think he's perfect tbh.

micbic · Oct 28, 2009

Hell yeah, I am back (I had been to Athens, and had forgotten my laptop here

). In the meanwhile, I see that some work has been made in this one, and...so have the LH makers, which provide us with another LH (Hungarian). So the situation has as follows:

LHs used

Spoiler :

Leader change years

Spoiler :

And BTW: My normal part of involvement will be ready at Sunday afternoon, dont swear for earlier.

micbic · Nov 5, 2009

(*clears voice*)

Boys (and girls) since we now have a good LH for Afonso Henriques, we can get it to being used as Portugal's initial LH.

So:

LHs used

Spoiler :

Leader change years

Spoiler :

sedna17 · Nov 5, 2009

veBear said:
Just wonder, how many flags do you have at the current time?

We have flags for all the civs. Some of them aren't perfect, but most of them are decent (I think, but then, I made many of them).

Boys (and girls) since we now have a good LH for Afonso Henriques, we can get it to being used as Portugal's initial LH.

Seems reasonable.

embryodead · Nov 5, 2009

I attached a zip with two files I managed to break with my LH trimming, probably no one noticed but Istvan's background got cropped at the bottom in some views etc. Also, since we're at this I need to mention that the Polish flag in the mod is a German eagle, that is, the early Holy Roman flag

so I added a medieval Polish eagle to the zip.

jessiecat · Nov 5, 2009

sedna17 said:
We have flags for all the civs. Some of them aren't perfect, but most of them are decent (I think, but then, I made many of them).

We are still using the wrong flags for both the Arabs and the Cordobans, as historically they should be solid colours with no decoration at all, black or green for the early Arabs and white or green for the Cordobans. And the Ottomans should be using the red crescent flag.
We should at least get rid of that silly palm tree from Civ.
I'd suggest the Arabs have the one the Cordobans have now and the Cordoban one match their button but be green on a white background. Can we do that?

embryodead · Nov 6, 2009

jessiecat said:
We are still using the wrong flags for both the Arabs and the Cordobans, as historically they should be solid colours with no decoration at all, black or green for the early Arabs and white or green for the Cordobans. And the Ottomans should be using the red crescent flag.
We should at least get rid of that silly palm tree from Civ.
I'd suggest the Arabs have the one the Cordobans have now and the Cordoban one match their button but be green on a white background. Can we do that?

I agree about the palm tree, but Cordoba is continuously Umayyad, so their current flag (is that Umayyad?) or the circular flag from BTS (this one certainly is) is probably better for them than for Arabs. Total War modders consistently use a crescent turned 90 degrees although I'm not sure what is the basis for that: http://70.40.209.33/totalwar/images/dlv_5.7/fe_buttons_48/symbol48_moors.png

Abbasid flag, alternative to a plain one: http://balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/0711/images/Flag_Abbasid.jpg .

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While looking at the flags I just noticed the mod actually has a Polish eagle (although a 20th century one) in TeamColor folder but the XML links to the German one.

sedna17 · Nov 6, 2009

veBear said:
Just wondered as i made a pretty nice Venice Decal Flag for a while ago. I can upload a pic and you could decide if you want to use that instead of the one you already have.

Please do. I'm not entirely happy with the current Venice flag.

Re: Cordoba and the Arabs. My preference is that flag designs be relatively simple and easy to distinguish. We're not going to do blank solid-color flags. I know that might be historically accurate, but it looks boring and like the flag is broken in game. In addition, we're going to keep flag colors consistent with Civ colors. This means no black flag, because then the main Civ color would have to be black, and end up looking like barbarians.

The Ottoman flag is currently a very nice tughra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughra). I know we had this discussion before. The crescent would be appropriate as well, of course.

Maybe the upward-facing crescent for the moors comes from the present flag of Mauretania? That's kind of a nice simple design...

jessiecat · Nov 7, 2009

Then all I ask is give the Cordoban flag to the Arabs and let Cordoba have a flag which matches their button. That's not too much to ask, is it?

Panopticon · Nov 7, 2009

I note that Westminster Abbey currently uses Kalmar Castle graphics. As long as you're using a non-custom piece of art, Notre Dame would be a much better fit.

Spoiler :

On a related note, there's also a Big Ben graphic, which you may already have seen: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2442

sedna17 · Nov 8, 2009

veBear said:
Ok, here's a pic of it in warlords, and it is easy to remowe those borders around the lion to, so that isn't a problem. The color's is gold and venetian red. The unit is, of course, the galleas

Looks good veBear. A bit cleaner and better proportioned than my attempt. I removed the borders because I prefer it that way, and it'll go in.

sedna17 · Nov 8, 2009

Here are screen captures of the Arab and Cordoban buttons. An improvement?

jessiecat · Nov 9, 2009

I'm not sure about the Cordoban one but it certainly looks good. OK with me.

Panopticon · Nov 9, 2009

There's a new Yaroslav leader head: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8626525&postcount=1083

sedna17 · Nov 9, 2009

Neat. It's in now.

-Perceval- · Nov 12, 2009

I didn't play this mod till alpha 7, but i have some question:

-do you have a sort of module who gave to each civ his own artstyle?

-Can you include varietas delectat in the mod? (and don't forget that avain has also made a superb polonish and hungarian unit style!)

Thanks for answering

Panopticon · Nov 12, 2009

New shadered Charles V leaderhead: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8632468&postcount=1101

sedna17 · Nov 12, 2009

-Perceval- said:
-do you have a sort of module who gave to each civ his own artstyle?

-Can you include varietas delectat in the mod? (and don't forget that avain has also made a superb polonish and hungarian unit style!)

We do intend to do culture-specific units, particularly so that the Muslim civs look different. It will take some effort, but we (I?) will get to it eventually. Part of the complication is that we have a lot of new units and civs. VD will give us Poland and Hungary, but not (e.g.) Venice and Kiev. Additionally, VD doesn't cover our new units which mostly come from the Charlemagne mod -- so everyone would get a unique spearmen but everyone would have the same light lancer.

So, in summary, I envision that the mod team will do some basic culture-specific units (grouped roughly as Muslim, Slavic, Mediterranean, Eastern, Western, Nordic), but no civ-specific units.

If someone wants to take up the challenge of skinning/texturing civ-specific units and/or integrating VD, go for it!

sedna17 · Nov 12, 2009

Panopticon said:
New shadered Charles V leaderhead: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8632468&postcount=1101

He looks very... shiny. I think I prefer the current one.

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