RFC Europe: Extending/Fixing City Name Maps

[onedreamer]

it's Aglar or Agley.

 

[sedna17]

Does someone want to volunteer to be responsible for checking that individual maps all sort of agree on where the major/overlapping cities are? I'd love for that person not to be me

 

[sedna17]

EDIT Thanks also for incorporating all the other CityName maps and the indy starts. Just downloaded the latest version and started as Poland. However they still start at Warsaw (see screenshot). Hadn't we decided to switch the start to Kracow? But they flip Breslau as planned which becomes Wroclaw. So the Warsaw start looks good as well. Which do people prefer?

A couple of problems with the indies though. Did you forget Yaroslavl? And Kazan hasn't been built at all (maybe because of the dense forest?). Samara has been razed by somebody. Smolensk has been captured by the Kievan Rus and Lubeck by the Norse. Aside from that, everything looks good. Thanks.

I agree with the Polish move to Kracow, more historically accurate -- that's just a separate file/syntax to figure out so I didn't get to it yet. I'll investigate what might be preventing Yaroslavl and Kazan from starting correctly and get around to boosting later rising cities defenders to prevent them all from falling too quickly.

 

[aman2192]

I know it would be tedious but wouldn't a good idea be for someone to make a city name map completley full covering the whole map in English? That way people could just translate the city names and then there would be no problem with matching up cities to the same spot.

Sorry for lousy typing it's been a long day...

 

[micbic]

it's Aglar or Agley.

Thanks, I will update so.

@sedna17: I will do it for Central European maps (Austria, Poland, Germany and Hungary) expect results in 3-4 days.

 

[onedreamer]

Does someone want to volunteer to be responsible for checking that individual maps all sort of agree on where the major/overlapping cities are? I'd love for that person not to be me

I could do it but as you may have noticed I don't have a lot of free time, so it would take me a lot of time. I think it would be acceptable since it's not a major feature, still if there are better candidate I'll be glad, so I can also test-play the mod, which I haven't been doing

 

[jessiecat]

I've done something like that with the latest maps I've been working on. After revising my Spain/Portugal map and saving it, I decided to use it as the start of a France/Burgundy map. So I changed most of the Spanish names to their French equivalent and used that map to make my French one. I've finished that one so now we've got two maps covering 4 civs that are totally compatible with each other. Here they are.

EDIT Files removed for revision. Will be reposted below.

 

[donbot]

Does someone want to volunteer to be responsible for checking that individual maps all sort of agree on where the major/overlapping cities are? I'd love for that person not to be me

If it can wait till Monday, then I can do it then

 

[3Miro]

We have to be careful with the city name maps.

Any change on the Balkans would have to be reflected in the Byzantines, Bulgarian and Ottoman maps. Parts of the Balkans are reflected in the Venice and Hungarian maps.

Any change to Asia Minor has to be reflected in the Byzantine, Arabic and Ottoman maps.

There are many other regions like that.

 

[jessiecat]

We have to be careful with the city name maps.

Any change on the Balkans would have to be reflected in the Byzantines, Bulgarian and Ottoman maps. Parts of the Balkans are reflected in the Venice and Hungarian maps.

Any change to Asia Minor has to be reflected in the Byzantine, Arabic and Ottoman maps.

There are many other regions like that.

Which is what I did with the Spain/Portugal and France/Burgundy maps as I've explained in my previous post.

 

[3Miro]

Which is what I did with the Spain/Portugal and France/Burgundy maps as I've explained in my previous post.

Precisely my point. Everyone should be doing this, I think someone talked about changing the Byzantine map, but did not changed the others.

 

[jessiecat]

Precisely my point. Everyone should be doing this, I think someone talked about changing the Byzantine map, but did not changed the others.

I'd much prefer the person coordinating the Byzantine/Ottoman/Bulgarian maps was yourself, considering they are your much-improved version of my original attempts anyway.

I might have a go at the German map and try to extend it from the French map in the same way, but I'll need to see what the Austria map is like first. However, I can't do accents so I'll have to post it without. Is that OK?
EDIT Just looked at micbic's Austria map. It'll be easier to extend the Germany map from that instead.

 

[3Miro]

I only changed the Balkan part of the Byzantine map. I feel pretty confident about that one (except for the couple of tiles that have changed from sea to land). I will see what the "new" Byzantine map looks like.

 

[onedreamer]

My problem with Genoa and Venice is the location of cities, since they had colonies far away from Italy. I'd have to look up in several different files and they might even be inconsistent with one another. And I could also use a final settler map.
Otherwise I could just place italian names all over, but there are italian names for practically all cities in Iberia, France, Germany and Byzantine Empire at its highest extent, so I am unsure this work is worth the time if then the italian states will never -or very rarely- reach certain spots.

 

[3Miro]

onedreamer, do the best you can. Cover the territory that those are most likely to take first (i.e. Dalmatian coast). See how far you get. If necessary wait for others to complete the other maps and then do your one.

 

[jessiecat]

onedreamer, do the best you can. Cover the territory that those are most likely to take first (i.e. Dalmatian coast). See how far you get. If necessary wait for others to complete the other maps and then do your one.

@ 3 Miro. I've finished the German CityNames map which I extended from the Austria map already posted. You won't need the Austria map now as this one will work for both Germany and Austria. I've also made some revision to the France/Burgundy map I posted earler. These are now fully compatible with each other and with the Iberia map already posted. I've reposted them all here now for inclusion in the next test version if you've got time.
One serious issue has arisen though. Lubeck is completely in the wrong place.(my fault ).
We'll need to move it 2 tiles west and 1 north (Think of the knight move in chess),
as I've already allowed for that new position on all the maps.

Files deleted and moved below.

 

[Barak]

Started a new game as Austria. Settled my capital on the spawn spot, and settled Zara? Where is Vienna? I assumed that Vienna would be the capital (or at least Austria would spawn at Vienna since it is part of the Ottoman UHV).

When I looked up Zara, I found it to be a name for Zadar, Croatia on teh Dalmatian Coast, far from where i settled.

Settling 2 other cities near the capital, the settled cities do not appear to have Germanic names: Kapronca (NW of the fresh water lake to the SE of Zara) and Pozsegavar (NE of the Wheat east of Zara)

Any thoughts on where Vienna actually is?

 

[jessiecat]

Started a new game as Austria. Settled my capital on the spawn spot, and settled Zara? Where is Vienna? I assumed that Vienna would be the capital (or at least Austria would spawn at Vienna since it is part of the Ottoman UHV).

When I looked up Zara, I found it to be a name for Zadar, Croatia on teh Dalmatian Coast, far from where i settled.

Settling 2 other cities near the capital, the settled cities do not appear to have Germanic names: Kapronca (NW of the fresh water lake to the SE of Zara) and Pozsegavar (NE of the Wheat east of Zara)

Any thoughts on where Vienna actually is?

Sort of East of the horses I think. See Wien near the top of this screenshot. Don't worry. It will all make more sense when the above CityName maps are included in the next version.

 

[sedna17]

@ 3 Miro. I've finished the German CityNames map which I extended from the Austria map already posted. You won't need the Austria map now as this one will work for both Germany and Austria. I've also made some revision to the France/Burgundy map I posted earler. These are now fully compatible with each other and with the Iberia map already posted. I've reposted them all here now for inclusion in the next test version if you've got time.
One serious issue has arisen though. Lubeck is completely in the wrong place.(my fault ).
We'll need to move it 2 tiles west and 1 north (Think of the knight move in chess),
as I've already allowed for that new position on all the maps.

Hey Jessiecat,

A few comments.
1) Micbic indicated he was going to work on synchronizing the central European maps, maybe you missed that post. Furthermore, he has identified several cities which have different German and Austrian names, so we will have different (though similar) maps for these two civs. Please attempt to co-ordinate work where possible.
2) Can you please post WorldBuilderSaves instead of normal saves? It saves me quite a bit of time.
3) I'm not sure which of 3Miro or will be processing these maps into the game files. I can do it generally, but they may not make it into the very next test version if that is the case.
4) I assume Lubeck is now in the geographically correct spot? It's quite easy to change indy-spawn positions, so we'll make sure that gets done.

 

[3Miro]

I have no way of editing city name maps other than manual. Sedna if you have some scripts ready, could you do it?