RFC Europe: Extending/Fixing City Name Maps

[sedna17]

I have no way of editing city name maps other than manual. Sedna if you have some scripts ready, could you do it?

Yeah, I'll handle it. RFCEMaps.py will be the only Python file I modify.

 

[jessiecat]

Hey Jessiecat,

A few comments.
1) Micbic indicated he was going to work on synchronizing the central European maps, maybe you missed that post. Furthermore, he has identified several cities which have different German and Austrian names, so we will have different (though similar) maps for these two civs. Please attempt to co-ordinate work where possible.
2) Can you please post WorldBuilderSaves instead of normal saves? It saves me quite a bit of time.
3) I'm not sure which of 3Miro or will be processing these maps into the game files. I can do it generally, but they may not make it into the very next test version if that is the case.
4) I assume Lubeck is now in the geographically correct spot? It's quite easy to change indy-spawn positions, so we'll make sure that gets done.

1. I did see that post but figured that was about everything east of Germany and Austria. Anyway I made my German map as an extension of his Austria map so they are in complete agreement AFAIK.
2. I'm sure one of you said saved games were OK but I've reposted the maps here as WB saves instead.
3. Doesn't matter when. They're there to use when you like.
4. Yes. The German map has Lubeck in the correct position but the spawn tile needs to be changed as I said (2 west, 1 north)

EDIT These WB saves won't open for some reason. Here is the screenshot of the error. So I will have to repost the saved games anyway. Sorry.

 

[micbic]

1. I did see that post but figured that was about everything east of Germany and Austria. Anyway I made my German map as an extension of his Austria map so they are in complete agreement AFAIK.
2. I'm sure one of you said saved games were OK but I've reposted the maps here in both versions anyway.
3. Doesn't matter when. They're there to use when you like.
4. Yes. The German map has Lubeck in the correct position but the spawn tile needs to be changed as I said (2 west, 1 north)

I don't think I posted that German and Austrian cities have different names ! German and Austrian names are 99,5% the same (and slightly different in 0,5%)
Anyway, thanks for extending the German map.
Just to know, as it would be better to be coordinated, I will be making minor changes to the Hungarian map. You could improve the Polish map where possible.

 

[jessiecat]

I don't think I posted that German and Austrian cities have different names ! German and Austrian names are 99,5% the same (and slightly different in 0,5%)
Anyway, thanks for extending the German map.
Just to know, as it would be better to be coordinated, I will be making minor changes to the Hungarian map. You could improve the Polish map where possible.

No. I didn't know there was any difference. But of course I didn't change your map at all. Just added German cities to it.Then I don't speak German, Im afraid. You're welcome to check what I did with Germany and change anything you like.
I'd like to improve the Polish map as I've extended German names through most of Poland on my Germany map. Though maybe it needs somebody who speaks Polish to do that.

 

[micbic]

I neither speak German.
You could check Wikipedia for city names in different languages

 

[3Miro]

I neither speak German.
You could check Wikipedia for city names in different languages

There has to be someone that speaks German on this forum. We have people that speak such obscured language as Bulgarian, there has be someone who knows German.

 

[jessiecat]

There has to be someone that speaks German on this forum. We have people that speak such obscured language as Bulgarian, there has be someone who knows German.

Try Mitsho who lurks here on occasion. He's Swiss German. Or holy king who's Austrian.
But then nobody's perfect.

 

[mitsho]

Try Mitsho who lurks here on occasion. He's Swiss German. Or holy king who's Austrian.
But then nobody's perfect.

I'm just not a poster (and I hope your comment only relates to Austrians, right? ;-))

Well, it's simple, we're in exams time, I do not have time to do it. I could do it in January or after Xmas, but not before (the topic is synchronizing Austrian and German city name maps, right?)

Btw. I don't think there are differences between the two lists, and if, they are solemnly due to modern spelling dictionaries, not that important to include, (or to check 100 city names in the dictionary because of that).

mfg Mike

PS: the condition is that Basel gets included as a independent city! (just kidding )

 

[onedreamer]

Started a new game as Austria. Settled my capital on the spawn spot, and settled Zara? Where is Vienna? I assumed that Vienna would be the capital (or at least Austria would spawn at Vienna since it is part of the Ottoman UHV).

When I looked up Zara, I found it to be a name for Zadar, Croatia on teh Dalmatian Coast, far from where i settled.

Settling 2 other cities near the capital, the settled cities do not appear to have Germanic names: Kapronca (NW of the fresh water lake to the SE of Zara) and Pozsegavar (NE of the Wheat east of Zara)

Any thoughts on where Vienna actually is?

Zara is the italian name for Zadar.
Kapronca sounds Crotian and Pozsegavar Ungarian.

 

[jessiecat]

I've fixed up the Poland CityNames map (which didn't need much changing) and I've extended it to the Rhine using only Polish names (or German ones where its the same). Someone has suggested moving the Prague spawn a couple of tiles north so I've left it as it is on the Poland map for now (Which is where he wants it). Sorry about using a saved game but my can't seem to open my WB ones (some bug).

 

[mitsho]

Zara is the italian name for Zadar.
Kapronca sounds Crotian and Pozsegavar Ungarian.

It sounds as if the coordinates for the austrian civ are mixed up, right? (gotta check that out!)

 

[jessiecat]

It sounds as if the coordinates for the austrian civ are mixed up, right? (gotta check that out!)

The revised Austrian CityName has been done but not loaded into the mod yet. Along with a few others. Hopefully soon.

 

[3Miro]

There should not be 100 cities per city name map, cities on the map should take 2x2 tiles. It makes little sense to put one tile for Vienna and one for some small town nearby, so that suddenly we have no Vienna but a small town no one has heard of. In general everyone should follow the 2x2 scheme and first fill the map with large cities, then fill the gaps with smaller and less important ones.

 

[micbic]

It makes little sense to put one tile for Vienna and one for some small town nearby, so that suddenly we have no Vienna but a small town no one has heard of.

Do you mean Sankt Polten?? In case yes, I will remove it and post the new version

 

[3Miro]

I picked Vienna at random, this is a general guideline for everyone making a city name map.

 

[jessiecat]

I picked Vienna at random, this is a general guideline for everyone making a city name map.

I don't mind going over all the maps I've done and doing as you ask, as they're coodinated together anyway. But I'm not sure with the Polish map I've just edited and posted. There are so many towns with 1 tile each and I don't really know which are most important, as its not my map.
BTW. Could you clear this up for me. I said I had to post saved games instead of WB saves cause I've had trouble opening them. You told us that saved games are fine but sedna now says they're a lot more work for him. Aren't my maps any use to you guys?

 

[micbic]

I don't mind going over all the maps I've done and doing as you ask, as they're coodinated together anyway. But I'm not sure with the Polish map I've just edited and posted. There are so many towns with 1 tile each and I don't really know which are most important, as its not my map.
BTW. Could you clear this up for me. I said I had to post saved games instead of WB saves cause I've had trouble opening them. You told us that saved games are fine but sedna now says they're a lot more work for him. Aren't my maps any use to you guys?

By the way in your extension a)some cities cover more than 2x2 (Memel, Riga)
b) a general problem. Some cities have a mis-placement in the city name maps and in the normal map as indies (Prag and perhaps Memel). I don't know which should be changed

 

[3Miro]

I don't mind going over all the maps I've done and doing as you ask, as they're coodinated together anyway. But I'm not sure with the Polish map I've just edited and posted. There are so many towns with 1 tile each and I don't really know which are most important, as its not my map.
BTW. Could you clear this up for me. I said I had to post saved games instead of WB saves cause I've had trouble opening them. You told us that saved games are fine but sedna now says they're a lot more work for him. Aren't my maps any use to you guys?

Sedna needs a WB save for the city names (set comments on all the plots with the appropriate city name). When I am testing for bugs, I need a savegame so I can play couple of turns before and after the bug to figure out what is happening.

 

[jessiecat]

Sedna needs a WB save for the city names (set comments on all the plots with the appropriate city name). When I am testing for bugs, I need a savegame so I can play couple of turns before and after the bug to figure out what is happening.

As I've said so many times before. I can't give you a WB save. When I do that and try to open it, it crashes. I don't know why. I've posted about this before. Don't you understand?
Anyway, I've posted all the maps as saved games. There is no choice. If that's no good enough for your purposes, I'm sorry. I can do no more than that. I'm not being awkward. It's just the facts.

 

[jessiecat]

By the way in your extension a)some cities cover more than 2x2 (Memel, Riga)
b) a general problem. Some cities have a mis-placement in the city name maps and in the normal map as indies (Prag and perhaps Memel). I don't know which should be changed

Yes. Some cities like those 2 have more than 2x2, if they are pre-set indies. But that's all.