I was just correcting your statement about them being pagans when they were very much Christians of the worst kind (ie. lots of manipulation, under-table-dealing and marrying daughter of for favour in Rome
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I have always had issue with the UHV for the Norse.
Exploration part makes sense as does early rampaging
Settling Sicily? That is "recent" history, at that point they were Normans (read: Frenchi-fied/Christians).
Swedes have the "proper" idea with control of the Baltic in the "5 cities UHV", Vikings had the same dream so why not skip the Sicily bit (maybe even Normandy) and add 3 continental Baltic cities to that UHV?
The extra tension from borders and the landgrab they represent is bound to get some attention from Barbarossa
I've always viewed the Norse civ as the Vikings/Normans, only that they simply don't expand to where they initially did. If we'd take things too exact many civs shouldn't be there
at least not under those names.
Germany is the best example,iirc the idea of thinking of that empire as one people didn't really come up untill the 18th-19th century under leadership of Prussia mainly.
Before that it was just allot of independent areas, Bavaria and Saxony still call themselves 'free states' within the republic. In some regions of swabia or saxony you hardly even recognize the language as german(nowadays)
netherland were also the 'seven united kingdoms or so' the 3 main regions are now 3 countries (belgium etc.) although they we're partially given away by foreign parties who controlled the area. but they weren't really that close in the first place(only in agreement that they didn't want to belong to one of the surrounding countries)
England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales all of which wouldn't what they are today if it hadn't been for William (back to the Normans)
2 postings hmm..
somewhat confusing I think.. (I can hardly make sense of all this right now^^)
Imo they stopped being Viking after they converted to christianity
pre 1000ad I don't think they had really accepted that odd new faith, I'm not sure when those missionary first showed up there, but before that they were a somewhat alien culture in the eyes of the few european nations that existed
But Norse(Normans/Normannen) had such a huge impact once they had converted that I don't think it can really be represented in this mod.
This is something that can't really be proven but I've read something about them having played a crucial role in making the Muslims hate christians absolutely as still is today
The massaker of the population of Jerusalem during the first crusade 60.000 dead, they killed every single man/woman/child.(very christianlike..) That's something allot of christians like to forget.
They had some of the most brutal and feared tactics in war, besides that great advantage of being pretty much the only ones who had heavy cavalry at the time(early period 1066 Hastings i.e.)
But on the other hand they behaved completely differently once they had conquered areas, being patrons of culture, art, science..
To get back to the point, it was about giving germany some more pressure early on.
And imo theres plenty of time for Viking/German conflicts between 850-1150AD
Not saying Viking invasions of Augsburg but the Hamburg/Lübeck/Rostock area should be somewhat disputed (pillaging of improvements etc.). Or maybe some rnd barb invasions to represent the pagan Vikings instead.. whatever it's just that before Norse do nothing but look pretty, why not make them much more aggressive and at least give other civs a hard time
I love those ultra strange happenings that actually make perfect sense (in a way).
