RFC Europe: Small bugs/fixes

[Issos]

Really, I have no intent on starting a flamewar, but it's quite obvious protestant countries enjoyed more religious freedom at the time, which reflected in an increased scientific progress.

Now, it's an interesting historical debate wether that was only for religious/cultural reasons or not, but the different progress in Europe between latin/mediterranean countries and northern ones is a fact.

After all, Galileo lived his last years as a prisoner, at the same time that Descartes lived freely in Holland and Sweden.

There are exceptions to this, such as Calvinist Switzerland (as I noted before).

And I think you're forgetting in RFCE no civ is forced to switch religions, they just have a different modifier (probability) for choosing when Printing Press is discovered.

1 - Nor do I but.. it's just not true. Try to be catholic in England during Cromwell revolution. I bet Your life would be way more painful, and most probably shorter, than one of protestant living in catholic Poland in the same period. Or even in France after stabilization of absolute monarchy. It's just a myth repeated all the time, that protestant were more tolerant for other religions/christians. Their organisation was weaker than roman catholic, but society pius enough doesn't need help of organisation to purge the heretics.

2 - There was such difference, connected with religion and culture, and many other factors. But i think it should be represented by each civ own bonuses and handicaps. Both protestant or catholic Spain should be more influenced (in bad way, but not only) by it's religion, otherwise Netherlands or France (there religious wars were rather casus belli to empower the king).

 

[civ_king]

Really, I have no intent on starting a flamewar, but it's quite obvious protestant countries enjoyed more religious freedom at the time, which reflected in an increased scientific progress.

Now, it's an interesting historical debate wether that was only for religious/cultural reasons or not, but the different progress in Europe between latin/mediterranean countries and northern ones is a fact.

After all, Galileo lived his last years as a prisoner, at the same time that Descartes lived freely in Holland and Sweden.

There are exceptions to this, such as Calvinist Switzerland (as I noted before).

And I think you're forgetting in RFCE no civ is forced to switch religions, they just have a different modifier (probability) for choosing when Printing Press is discovered.

my response

Spoiler :

Life in England for non-Anglicans was ugly especially in the Anglican Church's early years where answers changed year to year (in some cases month to month). for example many of Shakespeare's friends were Catholic and a chunk of them met with "unpleasant" ends (hanging, burned alive, starved, drawn and quartered and worse)

Galileo "proved" the world moved because of the ocean sloshing around AKA tides which was easily enough debunked because his "theory" dictated only one high tide, so between this and calling the Pope ******** and a tool of the devil, and he got sentenced to a palatial villa where he was attended to by servants

About Holland and Descartes

The denomination linked closely to the official states, and adopted as state religion, was the Lower German Reformed Church, the later Reformed Church of the Netherlands. The public exercise of Catholicism was strictly forbidden. Catholics were viewed by the government with suspicion and supervised; Catholic chapels and road-side crosses were all destroyed, shrines were demolished. Even in the southern and utmost eastern parts of the country, which remained almost entirely Catholic during the whole period of existence of the Dutch Republic, public servants had to be Calvinist Protestants (or Jewish) and take an oath which ordered them to act against the "papist religion". After the end of the 17th century the situation changed to a state of restricted toleration of Catholic worship, as long as it took place secretly in non-recognizable churches or in sheds. Until 1795 the Catholics of the Netherlands had to pay huge taxes and large sums of "recognition money" in order to make local government tolerate them. All ancient churches, monastery buildings and stripped cathedrals remained in the hands of the Protestants, even in entirely Catholic provinces and regions of the Netherlands.

sounded like an awesome place for Catholics

On the choose civ page the Netherlands has a text key error for one of their stars

 

[merijn_v1]

On the choose civ page the Netherlands has a text key error for one of their stars

I already noticed it. It is fixed a couple of days ago. It will be in the next version.

 

[civ_king]

Norse Pedia is awesome "TXT_KEY_CHANGED_CIV_NORSE_PEDIA" so is Sweden's "TXT_KEY_CHANGED_CIV_SWEDEN_PEDIA" don't forget Muscovites "TXT_KEY_CHANGED_CIV_MOSCOW_PEDIA" or Austrian's "TXT_KEY_CIV_AUSTRIA_PEDIA"

though the Papal
1) Smite the infidels
2) ???
3) Prophet
gave me some lolz

Does the Landsknecht intentionally not upgrade? Paladin too?

 

[merijn_v1]

Norse Pedia is awesome "TXT_KEY_CHANGED_CIV_NORSE_PEDIA" so is Sweden's "TXT_KEY_CHANGED_CIV_SWEDEN_PEDIA" don't forget Muscovites "TXT_KEY_CHANGED_CIV_MOSCOW_PEDIA" or Austrian's "TXT_KEY_CIV_AUSTRIA_PEDIA"

though the Papal
1) Smite the infidels
2) ???
3) Prophet
gave me some lolz

Does the Landsknecht intentionally not upgrade? Paladin too?

Those civs don't have a pedia yet. Feel free to make one yourself.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=332947

The Landsknecht and Paladin can be upgraded in the next version.

 

[civ_king]

for reference gunpowder>Optics>Shipbuilding>Astronomy

Gunpowder unlocks the Gold Coast and Cuba colonies, but they require Atlantic access which you can't get until three techs later.

And shipbuilding unlocks Magellan's Voyage, but that also requires Atlantic Access

I understand that each column is supposed to represent a time period so why have colonies require things that are later in the tree thereby delaying them?

 

[TijBonaparte]

I'm playing germain and my games is crashing few turn after i got my second achieve. Around 1465. It not the first times i reach this date and i dont understand why i'm crashing.

I got a similar problem with the arabian. I'm crashing in simalar date. I was thinking the problem was the golden age when 25% of the wold is islam.

When i start whit germain and i move 2 swordman and 2 axmen and north west in the first round the games crash.(it happen 3 times)

 

[TijBonaparte]

I got 7 great merchand in ammsterdand and i didn'nt won the game.

 

[civ_king]

did you get 4 colonies? (not counting East/West Trading Company)

 

[TijBonaparte]

Yes i got the 2 other achievement but i didn't win in the date.

 

[civ_king]

As Byzantines I managed to get so many faith points that my civic upkeep bonus is -105% IMO after you hit -100% Civic Upkeep it should translate pretty fast into Stability, the good news is that you can't drop below 0 civic upkeep

 

[Allan79]

Are their a bug in the plague event. I just had the plague spread twice from the same outbreak. the year is 1338 and its the 1st plague to hit.

 

[sinitahr]

It happened to me once when I captured a plagued city after mine healed.

I found something that feels like a bug:
Sometimes when Arabia respawns after someone takes Jerusalem, they vassalize to that civ, and then grow to be bigger, stronger and more advanced than that civ, yet they won't break free. Seems odd since civs that are much weaker and smaller then their master often break free. So far I've seen it with Venice and France.

 

[ezzlar]

I started a game as the germans yesterday. The civ text gives the starting dating to something like 950 while their game actually starts about 100 years earlier.

 

[merijn_v1]

I started a game as the germans yesterday. The civ text gives the starting dating to something like 950 while their game actually starts about 100 years earlier.

This is because their spawn date has been changed. (We forgot to change the text)

 

[Zipzapzup]

Can someone please try and test Beta 3 in french or german?
It's not working for me and i would be grateful to play beta 3 in german.

 

[sedna17]

Can someone please try and test Beta 3 in french or german?
It's not working for me and i would be grateful to play beta 3 in german.

Sorry, I couldn't test the foreign versions. Could this be because some XML entries only have <ENGLISH></ENGLISH>. Would this cause a crash on non-english systems?

There are a whole lot of nice new diplomacy texts and things from merijnv1 http://rfceurope.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/rfceurope?revision=468&view=revision and I noticed that some of them only have the <ENGLISH> tag. You could try fixing these files and see if that works.

 

[Opera]

Yeah, that would cause issues. Even if you only put english text you need all the tags.

 

[Duke of Awesome]

i havent been following these forums for a few months but i recently started a France game on Monarch and noticed a bug. the protestant reformation came along and my vassal Genoa converted. to try to bring them back to my religion i sent missionaries and a prosecutor to Milano and Genoa. when i used the prosecutor i noticed that it didnt die. i could still use it. i moved it to Milano and did the same thing and it still didnt die. then i sent it to one of my own cities and it finally died. idk if this has been fixed in a newer version but i just thought id mention it.

 

[youtien]

1. As Austria, I received the flip question at turn 3. Whether I answer yes or no, I get the cities, and if I answer no, I get additional army.

2. My state religion didn't change after answering yes when printing press discovered.

3. Plague never wore out! >_<