RFC Europe Wonders

[jessiecat]

Not to discourage people thinking about new wonders, I'd remind everybody that we've still got a lot of agreed wonders that haven't been coded yet. I'd rather have had some help with the civ-specific GP list. Done 15 civs so far and only had help with one (the Dutch). Just five to go, Kievan Rus, Moscow, Poland, Hungary and Germany. Then I can edit the XML GP lists completely so all civs have at least one GP per each of 7 categories. Hopefully 2 of each if I can get the names.

 

[Stiepeler]

Nothing easier then this. At least for Germany. You can pick up the most important German personalities from my link regarding Walhall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhalla_temple

I´d recommend as followed: (each of the following persons lived or served before 1850, so I hope it fits into your time concept)

Generals:

- von Blücher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebhard_Leberecht_von_Blücher
- von Moltke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Moltke
- von Gneisenau http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Gneisenau
- von Scharnhorst http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_von_Scharnhorst

Trade:

- Jakob Fugger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Fugger

Engineer:

- Erwin von Steinbach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_von_Steinbach
- Peter Vischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Vischer
- Franz Xaver von Baader http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Baader


Art:

- Johann Sebastian Bach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Sebastian_Bach
- Ludwig van Beethoven http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beethoven
- Johannes Brahms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahms
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goethe
- Richard Wagner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner

Religious/Prophet:

- Martin Luther http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
- Nicolaus Ludwig Zinzendorf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Ludwig_Zinzendorf
- Immanuell Kant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant

Spy: ?

Science:

- Carl Friedrich Gauss http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauß
- Johannes Gutenberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Gutenberg
- Johannes Kepler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler
- Gottfried Leibniz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz

 

[jessiecat]

Nice work. I was about to do Germany next. I'm trying keep them as early as possible. Like the Middle Ages where possible. But thanks.

 

[Stiepeler]

It´s not easy to find medivial GP for Germany. Of course there are some well known dukes that could stand for a great general as well but primarily they have been dukes or kings and not generals like the ones above. I try to pick up some GP that used to live from 1000 to 1500 AD if you like to. But I am unsure if I find some famous ones. Especially for engeneering and science it´s gonna be hard.

 

[jessiecat]

It´s not easy to find medivial GP for Germany. Of course there are some well known dukes that could stand for a great general as well but primarily they have been dukes or kings and not generals like the ones above. I try to pick up some GP that used to live from 1000 to 1500 AD if you like to. But I am unsure if I find some famous ones. Especially for engeneering and science it´s gonna be hard.

Sorry. Cross-posted. Just finished Germany. Thanks again.

 

[merijn_v1]

Not to discourage people thinking about new wonders, I'd remind everybody that we've still got a lot of agreed wonders that haven't been coded yet.

Could you give a list of the Wonders that are almost coded, so we know what Wonders have a power yet. (and if you can, please give also the powers, so we know what powers are engaged.)
Could you also give a list of the Wonders that haven't a power yet, so we can give ideas for powers.

 

[jessiecat]

National Wonders

National Theatre (replaces Globe Theatre) included *
National Gallery (replaces Hermitage) *
National University (replaces Oxford University) *
National Epic (as RFC) *
Heroic Epic (as RFC) *
- Royal Academy (replaces Great Library) -suggested

Projects (3)

Atlantic Access (enabled by Astronomy)*
East India Company *
West India Company *

Corporations (7) - now implemented in the game (see wiki)

Colonies (17 included)

Brazil
Cuba
Capetown
East Africa
East Indies
Gold Coast
Ivory Coast
Hudson Bay
Malaya
Virginia
Far Eastern Treaty Ports (4 allowed)
Indian Trading Posts (3 allowed)

World Wonders (14 included)

Forbidden Palace * (included)
Summer Palace *
The Sistine Chapel, Rome *
Versailles, Paris *
Notre Dame, Paris *
The Leaning Tower, Pisa *
The Theodosian Walls, Constantinople *
Topkapi Palace, Constantinople *
Shrine of Uppsala, Norse *
Krak des Chevaliers *
The Monastery of Cluny *
The Round Church *
The Alhambra Palace *
The Palacio de Pena *

These have been suggested but not yet implemented:

The Tomb of Khalid ibn Al Walid (replaces the Statue of Zeus, enemies suffer 100% war weariness,
+1 Great General.)
The Dome of the Rock, Jerusalem (replaces the Taj Mahal, starts Golden Age +1 Great. Artist?)
Kalmar Castle, Sweden (replaces The Pentagon, all new units rec. +1 experience point?))
The Gardens of Al Andalus, Cordoba (replaces the Hanging Gardens, +1 health, +1 food per city)
The Golden Bull, Hungary (replaces the Shwedagon Paya, enables all religion civics)
The Brandenburg Gate, Berlin (replaces The Kremlin, -33% production costs in all cities)
The Basilica San Marco, Venice (replaces the Temple of Artemis, +100% trade routes + 1 Great Merchant)
The Palazzo San Giorgio, Genoa (replaces the Statue of Liberty, +1 free specialist per city, 1 Great Merchant)
The Escorial Palace, Spain (replaces the Spiral Minaret, +1 gold per all state religion buildings)
La Scala Opera House, Milan (replaces The Eiffel Tower. free monument per city)
St. Basil's Cathedral, Moscow (replaces The Mausoleum of Maussalos, +50% Golden Age length,
+1 Great Artist.)
St. Sophia Cathedral, Kiev (replaces Angkor Wat,+1 hammer per priest, can turn 3 citizens into priest))
The Jewish Quarter of Krakov, Poland (establishes Judaism in every large city?)
The Temple Mount, Jerusalem (replaces the Temple of Solomon)
Leonardo's Inventions, Italy (1 free scientist, 1 free artist in each city?)
The Copernican Revolution, Poland (as in Civ3)
Issac Newton's Laboratory, England (as in Civ3)
Magellan's Voyage, Portugal (as in Civ3)
Rembrandt's Masterpiece, Amsterdam (culture + happiness boost in all cities?)
Mozart's Concertos, Vienna (free theatres in all cities?)
Magna Carta, England (replaces the Pyramids, enables all govt. types)
Aztec Conquest?
Inca Conquest?

Just to update our list of wonders, projects and colonies. What is bolded has been included. What is not is still to be decided and/or implemented.

As I posted earlier. Many of the ones not yet in the game have art and are just waiting for sedna 17 to code. Though not all are likely to get in soon. Personally, I'd like to see the Royal Academy, Basilical San Marco, The Gardens of Al Andalus, The Golden Bull, The Escorial Palace and Magna Carta done next but that's just my opinion.

 

[jessiecat]

@Jessiecat: Yes please, for the next version.

As requested, here is the revised XML Units info file. I've rewriiten the GP lists so only people from our 20 civs appear on the lists. I've tried to get every civ represented at least once in each category, usually twice. Some of the names may seem unfamiliar to people but they are genuine, believe me. And every person listed lived and worked before 1800, as promised.

 

[merijn_v1]

3 Things:

1. The Holy Shrine of the Muslims has the Art of the Dome of the Rock in the real world. I think we should change the Art of the Shrine and give its old Art to the Dome.

2. Could you give the powers of the Wonders of Civ3 you want to copy to RFCE? I had Civ3 but I can't remember what were the powers of those wonders.

3. The St. Basil Cathedral is another name for the Kremlin. I think we don't implent this Wonder or we have to change the Moscowian UB.

 

[jessiecat]

3 Things:

1. The Holy Shrine of the Muslims has the Art of the Dome of the Rock in the real world. I think we should change the Art of the Shrine and give its old Art to the Dome.

2. Could you give the powers of the Wonders of Civ3 you want to copy to RFCE? I had Civ3 but I can't remember what were the powers of those wonders.

3. The St. Basil Cathedral is another name for the Kremlin. I think we don't implent this Wonder or we have to change the Moscowian UB.

1. Good idea

2. Its all there in the Civ3 section of the CFC main page.

3. True. But leave the UB as it is.

 

[merijn_v1]

Now I've seen the wonders I think the Copernicus Observatory and the Newton Laboratory have the same power. And if you combine those with the Nation University, you have too much I think.

 

[pan-slavist]

Hi, just wanted to let you know that im finishing my moscow and kievan GP list, i will post it here in day or so.
Somebody said above that st basils cathedral is another name for kremlin, thats absoulutely untrue. the kremlin is another word for a russian castle. the most famous kremlin is in moscow, where the russian goverment resides now, but its a completely different building than the st basils catherdral. so you definitely should include the st basils cathedral in the wonders list.
By the way are you sure the kievan and moscow city maps are ok?

 

[merijn_v1]

Somebody said above that st basils cathedral is another name for kremlin, thats absoulutely untrue. the kremlin is another word for a russian castle. the most famous kremlin is in moscow, where the russian goverment resides now, but its a completely different building than the st basils catherdral. so you definitely should include the st basils cathedral in the wonders list.

OK. I checked it and you're right. But the Kremlin do has the wrong Art. I seen the pictures of both and the Kremlin is actually white and it has almost the same form of the St. Basils Cathedral. The Cathedral have all those colors. So I suggest the Kremlin stays the UB of the Moscowians, but needs another Art and the Cathedral get the old Kremlin Art. (like in the standard RFC)

 

[jessiecat]

Hi, just wanted to let you know that im finishing my moscow and kievan GP list, i will post it here in day or so.
Somebody said above that st basils cathedral is another name for kremlin, thats absoulutely untrue. the kremlin is another word for a russian castle. the most famous kremlin is in moscow, where the russian goverment resides now, but its a completely different building than the st basils catherdral. so you definitely should include the st basils cathedral in the wonders list.
By the way are you sure the kievan and moscow city maps are ok?

Thanks but I've posted the revised GP list above.(post 248). I only needed 1 or 2 in each category for each civ so it wasn't too hard in the end. Have a look at what I've done. We should be able to substitute some of them if necessary.

 

[jessiecat]

OK. I checked it and you're right. But the Kremlin do has the wrong Art. I seen the pictures of both and the Kremlin is actually white and it has almost the same form of the St. Basils Cathedral. The Cathedral have all those colors. So I suggest the Kremlin stays the UB of the Moscowians, but needs another Art and the Cathedral get the old Kremlin Art. (like in the standard RFC)

Sounds OK to me. I'll look for better art for the Kremlin then.

 

[pan-slavist]

Ok, if just two are enough, here I post a list of Kievan and Muscovian GPs, all living till 1800. Actually its a much broader list with 6 or 7 of each type, but I marked the two most prominent GPs of the cathegory.
So what do you think about the kievan city names? i just want to make sure the greatest kievan cities as Pskov, Polock, Smolensk, Novgorod, Vladimir, Suzdal, Chernygov are included.

 

[jessiecat]

As requested, here is the revised XML Units info file. I've rewriiten the GP lists so only people from our 20 civs appear on the lists. I've tried to get every civ represented at least once in each category, usually twice. Some of the names may seem unfamiliar to people but they are genuine, believe me. And every person listed lived and worked before 1800, as promised.

File Edited as per suggestions by pan-slavist.

 

[merijn_v1]

To help with the Art of the Kremlin, here are some photos.

 

[sedna17]

So what do you think about the kievan city names? i just want to make sure the greatest kievan cities as Pskov, Polock, Smolensk, Novgorod, Vladimir, Suzdal, Chernygov are included.

micbic has been dealing with the city name maps. I suggest posting in the city names thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=300422 to attract his attention if he doesn't respond here.

 

[pan-slavist]

The images for Kremlin proposed are actually just images of one church that is a part of the Moscow Kremlin. the real kremlin is actually a fortified part of the city, the best image I have found is in Russian Wikipedia. You can see it if you look up the Moscow Kremlin in the english wikipedia and then switch to russian. its the big picture near the end of the article.