RFCE Leaders

Plans for the next LH update:

Get rid of Joan d'Arc, for reasons already stated before
Gustav Vasa probably also get's the axe (3 Swedish leaders is enough, and I always hated the poor quality of the art), so say your farewells to him

New LHs:
Johan de Witt as a second Dutch leader
John II as a second Aragonese leader, not sure on the art yet
James IV as a second Scottish leader, not sure on the art yet
Mary might also make it, but only because I had some great female LH art lying around which I would love to include
Would love to include a late Arabian leader, no ideas or art yet

Possible art updates:
The current LH for James I of Aragon doesn't look that fitting for Aragon
Beatrice II might also get a new face. I'm really curios about the opinions on her though. Do you like the current LH?

Otherwise I'm getting very statisfied with the current leaders we have for RFCE
 
AbsintheRed said:
Plans for the next LH update:

Get rid of Joan d'Arc, for reasons already stated before
Gustav Vasa probably also get's the axe (3 Swedish leaders is enough, and I always hated the poor quality of the art), so say your farewells to him

New LHs:
Johan de Witt as a second Dutch leader
John II as a second Aragonese leader, not sure on the art yet
James IV as a second Scottish leader, not sure on the art yet
Mary might also make it, but only because I had some great female LH art lying around which I would love to include
Would love to include a late Arabian leader, no ideas or art yet

Possible art updates:
The current LH for James I of Aragon doesn't look that fitting for Aragon
Beatrice II might also get a new face. I'm really curios about the opinions on her though. Do you like the current LH?

Otherwise I'm getting very statisfied with the current leaders we have for RFCE
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I'm don't think we should be so quick to remove Gustav Vasa. Looking at his history he looks quite important to the rise of Sweden during the period this mod covers. Perhaps we could find different art for him if the current one isn't as good?

Maybe one of the other two later Swedish kings could get the axe instead?
 
i only found this pic of beatrix II. http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/womeninpower/Womeninpower1200-filer/image002.jpg
recently she looks better ingame :D
the worst new leaderface is pfiliph the bold now, imo! then the new casimir 3.

this is a small bu nice pic of james: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...67xPUwln8nG_lRBvBFFwjsFrx-r95DdAFuShKtjIHxbIA
it doesnt seems so bad the current one....but a copy of this pic would be even better!!

Also Justy and simeon changed face, confuse me many times, after all u trade with Byz a lot wish each civ.
 
Shadow Warlord said:
I'm don't think we should be so quick to remove Gustav Vasa. Looking at his history he looks quite important to the rise of Sweden during the period this mod covers. Perhaps we could find different art for him if the current one isn't as good?

Maybe one of the other two later Swedish kings could get the axe instead?
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Yeah, Gustav Vasa was very important, agree on that
But he is really close to Gustav Adolf, who is also of great importance, probably better known for non-swedish (he is the leader in Civ V too, not that it matters that much), and Adolf has way better art.
The other 2 leaders are from a different time period, but the 2 Gustavs more or less represents the same thing in the development of Sweden (at least in the mod)

I didn't totally made up my mind on axing him though
As a first step, will change the BG for him, maybe that helps a little bit on the overall looks
 
gilgames said:
but a copy of this pic would be even better!!
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copy of a pic?
what are you talking about? I'm a little confused here

Also Justy and simeon changed face, confuse me many times, after all u trade with Byz a lot wish each civ.
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Justinian stayed the same
Basil II was introduced as a new Byzantine leader, and it got Simeon's LH art (it was a Byzantine LH art in the first place, and way more fitting for there)
Anyway, I get your point. It might be confusing at first that an ex-bulgarian leader is now a byzantine ruler :)
It will stay this way though, everyone will get used to it soon enough :mischief:
 
gilgames said:
Also Justy and simeon changed face, confuse me many times, after all u trade with Byz a lot wish each civ.
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Just play more games. It might be confusing in the beginning, but you'll get used to it. You don't know any better if you are used to it. ;)
 
Settled my mind on the art for Johan de Witt (Dutch) and James IV (Scotland)
Both are uploaded to the SVN right now
Also made my peace with Gustav Vasa, he will stay. The new background does help quite a bit IMO

Joan d'Arc will still be gone though, but she can stay for 1.3, got a final chance to stay goodbye :)
When removed, she will probably be replaced with Francis I (1495-1547) or Charles VII (1403-1461)
 
When leaders change in game, currently it says (leader) rised as a new leader of (civ). "Rised" should be changed to "has risen" (better tense sound in Emglish).
 
"Rised" isn't even an English word at all, in that tense it would be "rose" (though I agree that "has risen" sounds better).
 
Shadow Warlord said:
When leaders change in game, currently it says (leader) rised as a new leader of (civ). "Rised" should be changed to "has risen" (better tense sound in Emglish).
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DC123456789 said:
"Rised" isn't even an English word at all, in that tense it would be "rose" (though I agree that "has risen" sounds better).
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Yeah, have no idea how could I wrote rised instead of rose, as i'm perfectly aware that's the past tense
Will change it to has risen in a minute
 
Personally I'd also say it should be "has risen as the new leader of" rather than "a new leader of". After all, they are the only leader not one of several.

But that's just me being anal ;)
 
Actually the main point is that there is a new leader, not the name
So maybe something like this works better? "A new leader has risen for the <dynamic civ name>: <leader name>!"
Or what you said has the same hidden meaning to this one, and the fact that there is a new leader is the main information?
In hungarian there is a slight difference between the meaning of these 2

EDIT: I mean, in hungarian saying that "abc is the new leader of xyz" sort of implies that you already knew that there is a new leader
 
AbsintheRed said:
Actually the main point is that there is a new leader, not the name
So maybe something like this works better? "A new leader has risen for the <dynamic civ name>: <leader name>!"
Or what you said has the same hidden meaning to this one, and the fact that there is a new leader is the main information?
In hungarian there is a slight difference between the meaning of these 2

EDIT: I mean, in hungarian saying that "abc is the new leader of xyz" sort of implies that you already knew that there is a new leader
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It's a peculiarity of English, but when used in this context "has become a new leader" implies they are one of multiple leaders at the time, whilst "the new leader" implies they are the only one.

If you were talking about the Roman Tetrarchy period, for example, you would say "Constantine has become a new leader of the Roman Empire" because he was one leader but there were also three others. Whereas for Augustus Caesar you would say "Augustus has become the new leader of the Roman Empire" as he was the only leader at the time.

As I say, it's a minor point, but I agree with DC123456789 that "<leader name> has risen as the new leader of <dynamic civ name>" is the best phrasing.
 
AbsintheRed said:
A few responses:
Alfonso may work as an early spanish leader. Any suggested art for him?
I think we should stick to the max 3 leaders/civ rule, we shouldn't go overboard with adding art in RFCE. So I'm against Henry V
Mieszko is a good idea, but again, we need some decent LH art. Suggestions?
I'm not sure of Khmelnytsky. To be honest, I have never heard of him before :blush:
We should still consider him if there aren't any better candidates, as I would really like to give a second leader to Ukraine
No for Queen Mary, we won't add religion dependent leaders to the civs

Finally, some great news:
Melcher kürzer accepted my request, and RFCE will soon get a new Barbarossa :D
His LH gallery is the guarantee it will be awesome :)
Speaking of his LHs, what do you think of replacing Firaxis Catherine with melcher's version?
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I'm sorry @AbsintheRed but i disagree with that "max 3 leader/civ rule" statement. I think we should expand it to max 6leader/civ rule per era based on a era that i created.


1. Early Middle Ages=500's to 900's
2. High Middle Ages=1000's to 1200's
3. Late Middle Ages=1200's to 1400's
4. Age of Discovery=1410's to 1550's
5.Age of Reformation=1560's to 1640's
6. Age of Absolutism/Enlightenment=1650's to 1800's

We will discuss this in my new threads that i will posted later.
 
MalayanGamer said:
I'm sorry @AbsintheRed but i disagree with that "max 3 leader/civ rule" statement. I think we should expand it to max 6leader/civ rule per era based on a era that i created.


1. Early Middle Ages=500's to 900's
2. High Middle Ages=1000's to 1200's
3. Late Middle Ages=1200's to 1400's
4. Age of Discovery=1410's to 1550's
5.Age of Reformation=1560's to 1640's
6. Age of Absolutism/Enlightenment=1650's to 1800's

We will discuss this in my new threads that i will posted later.
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Well, that post was written 9 years ago :)
France and Sweden has 4 leaders in the mod for at least half that time.

Having said that, new ideas are always welcome.
Some new leaders will make their way to the mod (and a couple currently included ones will be replaced), in parallel to adding the leaders of new civs.

PS: Thanks though, it was great to reread this old thread, even got a little nostalgic :)
 
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