RFCE Leaders

simplicissimus said:
Byzantium:
Michael VIII. Palaiologos (1224/25-1282). Founder of the Palaiologan dynasty, recaptured Constantinople from the crusaders

Cordoba:
Muhammad XII. "Boabdil" (1459-1518? or later). Last Emir of Granada and the Nasrid dynasty until 1492. Not really a glamorous leader but the founder of his dynasty and builder of the citadel of the Alhambra, Muhammad I. ibn Nasr (1194-1273) would be too close to Yaqub al-Mansur I guess.

Venice:
Angelo Partecipazio (died 827) or his son and successor Giustiniano Participazio (died 829). Angelo forced landclaim of the city and build up fortifications and channels and stimulated the process of getting rid of Byzantine influence and under his son the body of St. Mark were brought from Alexandria to Venice and he became patron saint of the city.

Germany
Charles IV (1316-1378). Founder of the first German unversity (in Prague 1348) and responsible for the Golden Bull

Ferdinand II (1578-1637). Emperor during the first phase of the 30 years war, main protagonist of counter-reformation.

France:
I know Jean D´Arc was a French leader in parts of civ but in my opinion she was no real ruler (like El Cid you mentioned). What about Francis I. (1495-1547) who is responsible for the French-Habsburgian conflict with his Italian wars and influenced European history massively for the next centuries with his ambitions?

Spain:
Fernando III. (1199-1252). Unified Castile and Leon and conquered Cordoba, Seville and Cadiz amongst other cities.

Austria:
Rudolf I. (1218-1291). First Habsburgian Emperor and Duke of Austria. Defeated Ottokar II. Premysl
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I agree on Jean
There were huge resist against removing her though, when I wanted to do that previously
Will update the first post with your suggestions
Rudolf has a really good chance to make it in if there is suitable art. Any ideas?
 
Spirictum said:
I think this awesome Nevsky LH fits perfectly as a Novgorodian LH.
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Yeah, it will definitely get in as a leader, even if Novgorod won't be a civ
Since I posted about the LH in the last page, it was already planned as a Kievan leader (see the first post)
If Novgorod is included, obviously he will be moved there
 
Since we are adding Scotland, I think it would be nice to include one of the Stuarts as a leaderhead in addition to Robert the Bruce. Perhaps James VI of Scotland?
I see they also have a Mary Queen of Scots we could use. http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11097
We could use this leaderhead for another of the Stuarts-- perhaps James II of Scotland? http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=12147
Also, what about adding Oliver Cromwell as an English LH? Maybe conditionally with certain civics or stability? http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13275
 
AbsintheRed said:
I agree on Jean
There were huge resist against removing her though, when I wanted to do that previously
Will update the first post with your suggestions
Rudolf has a really good chance to make it in if there is suitable art. Any ideas?
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Here is a link to German wiki with a picture of his grave-monument. Probably the most accurate portrait of Rudolf. I would say he looks similar to Caesar - he would just need a new haircut ;)!

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rudolf_von_Habsburg_Speyer.jpg
 
This is definitely a petty gripe but if you do eventually add Byzantine leaders that aren't Justinian please don't have their theme be something other than Justinian's. His last theme is my favorite in the entire game. And no it's not just because I'm a great big pipe organ nut. If you don't want to hear the same theme from Byzantium the entire game then maybe replace Justinian with Theodora and rip the Byzantine Peace Theme from Civ 5?
 
What about Otto I. (the Great) as starting leader for Germany? His victory over the Magyars at the Battle of the Lechfeld is very important. Some historians support the thesis that with this victory the Eastern Franks becme the Germans and the Magyars settled down and converted to Christianity!
 
simplicissimus said:
What about Otto I. (the Great) as starting leader for Germany? His victory over the Magyars at the Battle of the Lechfeld is very important. Some historians support the thesis that with this victory the Eastern Franks becme the Germans and the Magyars settled down and converted to Christianity!
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Hungarians already settled down in the Carpathian basin by that time, at least from 895
But the battle of Augsburg/Lechfeld was more or less the end of the "hungarian adventures", the huge campaigns and raids through Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe

 
AbsintheRed said:
Hungarians already settled down in the Carpathian basin by that time, at least from 895
But the battle of Augsburg/Lechfeld was more or less the end of the "hungarian adventures", the huge campaigns and raids through Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe

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I know but according to online-dictionary leo "to settle down" also means "sich beruhigen" or "beständig werden" in German which can be translated as getting calm/steady and that is what I ment! I was a bit in a hurry and wasn´t able to find a more suitable phrase.:rolleyes:
But thanks for the map! What I didn´t know is that they got as far as the Iberian peninsula and Apulia! Wow!
 
simplicissimus said:
I didn´t know is that they got as far as the Iberian peninsula and Apulia! Wow!
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Those were minor ones compared to the bigger campaigns in Germany or France
But yeah, they were pretty reckless (and badass ;))

During the first part of the 10th century, Hungarians managed to threaten much of Western Europe.
Therefore it was a common saying at that time: "A sagittis Hungarorum, libera nos Domine!" (Lord, save us from the arrows of the Hungarians)
 
I would like to add a second leader for Scotland, Aragon, and the Dutch
Currently those are the only civs with one leader
Any suggestions?
 
For Scotland, Mary I Queen of Scots
For Aragon, John II of Aragon
Frederick Henry, Prince of Orange for the Netherlands, or maybe Maurice of Nassau?
 
For Scotland, James IV. He was the most successful of the Stewart monarchs, and involved in two of the Scottish UHVs - he bought the Isles under royal control, and renewed the Auld Alliance with France. He should replace Robert the Bruce in 1371, to signify the rise of the Stewart line in Scotland.

I agree with Baron03 about John II of Aragon.

Not sure about the Dutch - they appear so late that one leader seems appropriate. The choice would largely be determined by the need to roughly split the 220 years for which the Dutch appear in the mod, which would make it William III (also King of Great Britain) or William IV. If we're to make Frederick Henry or Maurice of Nassau historical then they would replaced William within around 60 years of the Dutch spawn.
 
Both John II and James IV seem like good choices

Not sure on Mary though, I'm not convinced she is significant enough as a ruler, even if she is very well-known
On a related thought: a couple years back I wanted to remove Jean d'Arc, but there was huge objection against it. I guess people got too used to it
What's the opinion on her now, with all the extra leaders added?

Merijn, any thoughts on adding a second Dutch leader?
 
AbsintheRed said:
Both John II and James IV seem like good choices

Not sure on Mary though, I'm not convinced she is significant enough as a ruler, even if she is very well-known
On a related thought: a couple years back I wanted to remove Jean d'Arc, but there was huge objection against it. I guess people got too used to it
What's the opinion on her now, with all the extra leaders added?

Merijn, any thoughts on adding a second Dutch leader?
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I'd agree on Mary. She's only known as "Queen of Scots" to differentiate her from Mary I of England. In real life she did very little for Scotland, spending most of her reign in France, precipitating religious strife with every action, and fleeing to England after being forced to abdicate.

Jeanne d'Arc is a funny one. I'd lean towards replacing her with Charles VII who was the monarch who eventually negotiated an alliance with Burgundy and drove the English out of most of France. Jeanne would be one of his great generals or great saints.
 
Swarbs said:
Jeanne d'Arc is a funny one. I'd lean towards replacing her with Charles VII who was the monarch who eventually negotiated an alliance with Burgundy and drove the English out of most of France. Jeanne would be one of his great generals or great saints.
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I have to agree with this :) :mischief:
 
Joan of Arc makes no sense as a leader
 
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