RFCE Leaders

AbsintheRed · Jan 18, 2011

Current RFCE leaders in bold, the best further possibilities and suggestions underlined:

Byzantium: 500AD

Justinian - 483-565

Theodora - 500-548 - won't work in RFCE to have both her and Justinian
Basil II - 958-1025 - art from the current Simeon
Michael VIII Palaiologos - 1224-1282 - founder of the Palaiologan dynasty, recaptured Constantinople from the crusaders

France: 500AD

Charles the Great - 742-814
Joan of Arc - 1405-1431 - not an actual ruler
Louis XIV - 1638-1715

Clovis - 466-511 - too early
Philip II Augustus - 1165-1223
Francis I - 1495-1547 - responsible for the French-Habsburgian conflict with his Italian wars and influenced European history massively for the next centuries with his ambitions
Richelieu - 1585-1642 - too close to Louis XIV
Louis XVI - 1754-1793 - maybe
Napoleon - 1791-1815 - little late, and won't fit in the scope of the mod

Arabia: 632AD

Abu Bakr - 573-634 - with Capo's reskin
Saladin - 1138-1193

Harun al-Rashid - 763-809

Bulgaria: 680AD

Simeon I - 893-927 - another art needed
Ivan Asen II - 1218-1241

Petar III - 1072-1108 - probably closer to a serbian ruler
Kaloyan - 1168-1197-1207

Cordoba: 711AD

Abd ar Rahman III - 889-961 - Cordoban
Yaqub al-Mansur - 1160-1199 - Almohad ruler

Muhammad ibn Nasr - 1194-1273 - probably too close to Yaqub al-Mansur
Muhammad XII "Boabdil" - 1459-1518 - last Emir of Granada and the Nasrid dynasty until 1492, not really a glamorous leader but the founder of his dynasty and builder of the citadel of the Alhambra

Norse: 780AD

Harald Hardrada - 1015-1066 - by C.Roland
Haakon IV Haakonson - 1204-1263 - fine?
Christian IV - 1577-1648

Ragnar Lodbrok - around 850 - semi legendary
Canute - 985-1035 - too close
Margaret I - 1353-1412 - too close to Haakon? instead of him?

Venice: 810AD

Enrico Dandolo - 1107-1205
Andrea Dandodo - 1306-1354 - LH still not totally finished

Angelo Partecipazio - died 827 - forced landclaim of the city and build up fortifications and channels and stimulated the process of getting rid of Byzantine influence
Giustiniano Participazio - died 829 - Angelo's son and successor, under his rule the body of St. Mark were brought from Alexandria to Venice and he became patron saint of the city
Pietro II Orseolo - 991-1009

Burgundy: 843AD

Philip the Bold - 1342-1404 - shadered version?

Charles the Bold - 1433-1467 - only if we don't find a better candidate
Mary of Burgundy - 1457-1477-1482 - not an actual leader
an early leader?

Germany: 858AD

Barbarossa - 1122-1190
Frederick I - 1712-1286

Otto I - 912–973 - Otto the Great, the founder of the Holy Roman Empire, "the first of the Germans to be called the emperor of Italy"
Charles IV - 1316-1378 - founder of the first German unversity (in Prague 1348) and responsible for the german Golden Bull
Ferdinand II - 1578-1637 - emperor during the first phase of the 30 years war, main protagonist of counter-reformation

Kiev: 880AD

Yaroslav - 1019-1054

Sviatoslav I - 945-972 - too close?
Vladimir I - 958-1015 - too close?
Alexander Nevsky - 1220-1263

Hungary: 895AD

Szt. Istvan (St. Stephen I) - 997-1038
Hunyadi Matyas (Matthias Corvinus) - 1453-1490

Arpad - 845-907 - maybe too early?
Bela III - 1148-1172-1196 - either him or Bela IV
Bela IV - 1206-1235-1270 - either him or Bela III
Nagy Lajos (Louis I) - 1342-1382 - proper art?
a late leader would be great - Bathory/Rakoczi?

Spain: 909AD

Isabella - 1451-1504
Philip II - 1527-1598

El Cid - 1043-1099 - not an actual ruler
Fernando III - 1199-1252 - unified Castile and Leon and conquered Cordoba, Seville and Cadiz amongst other cities.
Charles V - 1500-1558 - too close

Poland: 966AD

Casimir III - 1310-1370 - maybe change to IgorS' art?
Jan Sobieski - 1629-1696

Mieszko I - 930-992 - waiting for Novator's LH

Genoa: 1016AD

Simone Boccanegra - 1339-1363

another leader?

England: 1066AD

William the Conqueror - 1028-1087
Elizabeth - 1533-1603
George III - 1738-1820 - fine

Henry VIII - 1491-1547 - too close to Elizabeth
Victoria - 1819-1901 - way too late

Portugal: 1139AD

Afonso Henriques - 1109-1185
Joao II - 1455-1495
Maria II - 1819-1853 - little late but whatever, too nice to be left out

Henry the Navigator - 1394-1460 - too close to Joao

Lithuania: 1236AD

Mindaugas - 1200-1263
Vytautas - 1350-1430

Gediminas - 1275-1341 - too close?

Austria: 1282AD

Maximilian I - 1459-1519
Maria Theresa - 1717-1780

Rudolf I - 1218-1291 - first Habsburgian Emperor and Duke of Austria, defeated Ottokar II Premysl (of Bohemia)
Francis - 1768-1835 - too close to Maria Theresa, and he was more important in the 19th century
Franz Joseph - 1830-1916 - too late

Ottomans: 1359AD

Mehmed II - 1432-1481
Suleiman the Magnificient - 1494-1566

Osman I - 1258-1324 - probably too early for the Ottoman spawn date
maybe a late leader?

Moscow: 1380AD

Ivan IV the Terrible - 1530-1584
Peter the Great - 1672-1725
Catherine the Great - 1729-1762-1796

Sweden: 1523AD

Gustav Vasa - 1496-1560 - better art?
Karl XII - 1682-1718 - better art?

Gustav Adolph - 1594-1632
Gustav III - 1746-1792 - replace Karl XII?

Dutch: 1581AD

Willem van Oranje - 1533-1594

Maurits van Nassau - 1567-1625 - probably too close
Johan de Witt - 1625-1672 - maybe

Old opening post:

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AbsintheRed · Jan 18, 2011

And here is the main thing to test: leader switching

The starting leaders should be:

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Switches ATM:
(the dates are not final of course)

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Please report if anything goes wrong in your games

merijn_v1 · Jan 18, 2011

I suppose the package is based on revision 525?

AbsintheRed · Jan 18, 2011

merijn_v1 said:
I suppose the package is based on revision 525?

Yes, I included everything from the svn including revision 525
I also changed the sound links in the leaderheadinfos.xml for the renaissance era to _late from _middle

But don't upload any of this to the svn
This is just for testing. Also, I plan to keep only those leaders which seems to be popular here

If everything is decided and looks good, I will make an update for you with the changed files only (since svn 525), pak the art files, and write a changelog
This way it will be easy to update the svn

Barak · Jan 19, 2011

Does the patch break save games?

merijn_v1 · Jan 19, 2011

I'm not sure, but I'm afraid it will.

Barak · Jan 19, 2011

No worries, I'll just apply the patch for my next go through.

AbsintheRed · Jan 19, 2011

Barak said:
Does the patch break save games?

Actually it's not
At least I was adding and testing all the changes while playing the same game

But if there are some issues with it, you can always reinstall beta 5 and continue with that...

TheCzech · Jan 19, 2011

Okay, I will try this out, I always thought this needed to be touched upon. Thank you I will try it.

AbsintheRed · Jan 19, 2011

After a few more test games, leader switching seems to work fine for me
What should be the switching dates?
Not everything is accurate right now (see second post)

I would also really like to hear some opinions on the leaders
Actually some of them are not the final version ATM, but they are not bad at all
Which ones should get in Beta 6? Is the new skin for Abu Bakr and Philip II better? And the BG?

TheCzech · Jan 19, 2011

Yay! Double post!

Okay, here's what went wrong right away:

AND

That isn't right!

Abu Bakr looked better originally(The new BG for him should stay though), but I think the rest are fine. Now I've only been playing for a bit, but I would like to see a new skin for Fredrick Barbarossa; I just don't like it that much. Jan Sobieski needs a fix, his shoulder's kept disappearing!

3Miro · Jan 20, 2011

The Pope is a problem. You don't happen to know how did this happen? Is it stability or something else?

What is the problem with Tolosa? I don't see a problem of Cordoba getting a city in France.

AbsintheRed · Jan 20, 2011

3Miro said:
The Pope is a problem. You don't happen to know how did this happen? Is it stability or something else?

What is the problem with Tolosa? I don't see a problem of Cordoba getting a city in France.

Yeah, Cordoban Tolosa is totally fine every once and a while
The papal bug is not a big issue IMO
They collapse because of stability, I have also seen it in 1 or 2 of my games
But they were always "respawned" soon, so I think it's fine this way

AbsintheRed · Jan 20, 2011

TheCzech said:
Abu Bakr looked better originally(The new BG for him should stay though), but I think the rest are fine. Now I've only been playing for a bit, but I would like to see a new skin for Fredrick Barabossa; I just don't like it that much. Jan Sobieski needs a fix, his shoulder's kept disappearing!

Never touched the bg of Abu Bakr, and IMO his clothes were a little blurry and plain before
Barbarossa should definitely be changed, but I didn't find a perfect replacement yet
Maybe one of these can be used as a base:

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3Miro · Jan 20, 2011

I just remembered to make a comment. We should not use titles like "the Conqueror" or "the Wise" for the leaders. Every great leader has one or another, it is up to the player (or the AI) to live up to the title. That is how it works in BtS and RFC, we have Alexander (as opposed to the Great) and Suleiman (as opposed to the Magnificent). We should use just William and Yaroslav (we already leave off "the Terrible" from Ivan's name).

AbsintheRed · Jan 20, 2011

3Miro said:
I just remembered to make a comment. We should not use titles like "the Conqueror" or "the Wise" for the leaders. Every great leader has one or another, it is up to the player (or the AI) to live up to the title. That is how it works in BtS and RFC, we have Alexander (as opposed to the Great) and Suleiman (as opposed to the Magnificent). We should use just William and Yaroslav (we already leave off "the Terrible" from Ivan's name).

They are not used, except for William the Conqueror
The rest are just the civilopedia entries, which are fine this way

I changed William's xml entry to:

Code:

        <TEXT>
		<Tag>TXT_KEY_LEADER_WILLIAM</Tag>
		<English>William I</English>
		<French>Guillaume Ier</French>
		<German>Wilhelm I.</German>
		<Italian>Guglielmo I</Italian>
		<Spanish>Guillermo I</Spanish>
		<Russian/>
	</TEXT>

Now everything should be ok

merijn_v1 · Jan 20, 2011

I will change it.

There is only one problem. Another name that should be changed is Philip the Bold. But if you want the "normal" name, you'll get Philip II. And that name is already in use for a Spanish leader.

AbsintheRed · Jan 20, 2011

I don't mind having Philip the Bold as an exception
But there is a typo: it's spelled Phillip the Bold right now (with 2 l-s)

TheCzech · Jan 21, 2011

To change the discussion....
For Barabossa, I really think the second pic (the one in the middle) looks the best. The BG is awesome and the overall design is reminiscent to Charlemagne and has a very professional feel to it. The first and the one on the bottom look okay but not as good.

As for Jan Sobieski, I think he really deserves a fix, his shoulders kept disappearing!

All in all, there needs to be more leaders, I hate seeing Philip the Bold a little late in my game. Sword of Islam, though I haven't played it in awhile, I think it has a good variety of leaders for each era. So more leaders is needed, and fixes to old ones like Poland's Sobieski and Germany's Barabossa.

Doesn't Geroge III have a skin on Civ colonization? You could use that one.

yogiebere · Jan 21, 2011

Is it just me or is Genoa's Simone really close to Bulgaria's Simeon?

I like the percent chance thing by the way

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