Rhye's and Fall RAND: Preview #2

I know that it's probably too late, but the Roman city list really sucks. It is currently a mere italian provice cities list in Latin, most of the "cities" listed were little more than outposts or forts for the Romans...

edit: the French city list has 2 Avignon(s).
 
I thought this would be the best way of creating an arrangement of in-game settlements that most closely resembled the real UK. However someone else has since the changed the order of the cities on the wiki so that it demphasises geographical proximity to London in favour of overall significance.

That threw me off, yes. In the end I merely added those ones I initially mentioned to the insignificant portions of the list.
 
Also, shouldn't Huambo be Nova Lisboa, since that was the city's name while under Portuguese colonial administration?

No, it was founded as Huambo, later renamed Nova Lisboa, then renamed back to Huambo in 1975.
 
Improved Roman List:

#Italy inland
Roma
Capua
Arretium
Tarquinii
Volsinii
Saturnia
Luca
Aquileia
Mediolanum
Canusium
Corfinium
Beneventum
Consentia
Vibo Valentia
Bovianum
Asculum
Luceria
Ardea
Satricum
Reate
Setia
Signia
Alba Fucens
Fidenae
Arpinum
Larinum
Faesulae
Volaterrae
Placentia
Verona
Cremona

#Italy ports
Antium
Cumae
Neapolis
Pisae
Pompeii
Tarentum
Ravenna
Ariminum
Brundisium
Hadria
Ancona
Aleria
Sipontum
Ostia
Cosa
Luna
Populonia
Vada Sabatia
Vada Volaterrana

# Europe inland
Sirmium
Singidunum
Sardica
Aquincum
Aguntum
Naissus
Aemona
Nicopolis
Hadrianopolis

# Europe ports
Nicomedia
Salona
Narona
Nicaea
Narbo
Saguntum
Arelate
Tarraco
Constantinopolis

edit: (attached file "python compliant")


I of course left out other civs cities (which were instead included, like Lyon, Augsburg, Thapsus, Reggio, etc), and I didn't include Dyrrachium (Epidamnos, Greek) and Colonia Agrippina (Koeln, German) which aren't in their respective civs city list but I think they should be.
 

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PS: in Greece there is only one Thebes AFAIK (Thebai), but in the greek city list there are 2... is the other one actually Newt-Rst ? I'd just remove it.
 
Are the lists to still be edited and updated once in a while??
 
I suspect Rhye will take note of them them and release the edited ones with new versions of the mod. Much as he has been doing with city names for normal RFC.
 
yeah I asked Rhye first and he said he would include it in the next update. However you can do it yourself already, just edit the python file called CityNameManagement or similar, cut the part of Rome and paste the one in the txt file I attached... and you can eliminate the double Avignon/Thebai from the file as well.
 
York
Bristol
Nottingham
Ipswich
Norwich
Birmingham
Cambridge
Canterbury
Newcastle
Blackburn
Manchester
Glasgow
Middlesbrough

London
Hastings
Edinburgh
Cardiff
Brighton
Portsmouth

Don't even think of including Portsmouth without including Southampton too!
 
Improved Roman List:

#Italy inland
Roma
Capua
Arretium
Tarquinii
Volsinii
Saturnia
Luca
Aquileia
Mediolanum
Canusium
Corfinium
Beneventum
Consentia
Vibo Valentia
Bovianum
Asculum
Luceria
Ardea
Satricum
Reate
Setia
Signia
Alba Fucens
Fidenae
Arpinum
Larinum
Faesulae
Volaterrae
Placentia
Verona
Cremona

#Italy ports
Antium
Cumae
Neapolis
Pisae
Pompeii
Tarentum
Ravenna
Ariminum
Brundisium
Hadria
Ancona
Aleria
Sipontum
Ostia
Cosa
Luna
Populonia
Vada Sabatia
Vada Volaterrana

# Europe inland
Sirmium
Singidunum
Sardica
Aquincum
Aguntum
Naissus
Aemona
Nicopolis
Hadrianopolis

# Europe ports
Nicomedia
Salona
Narona
Nicaea
Narbo
Saguntum
Arelate
Tarraco
Constantinopolis

edit: (attached file "python compliant")


I of course left out other civs cities (which were instead included, like Lyon, Augsburg, Thapsus, Reggio, etc), and I didn't include Dyrrachium (Epidamnos, Greek) and Colonia Agrippina (Koeln, German) which aren't in their respective civs city list but I think they should be.

Neapolis, Tarentum, Nicopolis, Nicomedia, Nicaea were all Greek cities captured by Rome (Taras, Nikopolis, Nikomedia, Nikaia in Greek).

Arelate isn't really a coastal city (it's on the river Rhône).

Lyon developed out of the Roman Lugdunum (originally probably a Celtic settlement), Augsburg was founded as Augusta Vindelicorum, so like Cologne (Colonia, Köln) was a Roman colony. As so often, the later indigenous city developed around this Roman core settlement.

Dyrrhachium (later: Durazzo) suggests a Greek origin (there's no Y in Latin), but is not the same as Epidamnos.

Reggio is the Italian (i.e. vulgar Latin) name for the ancient city of Rhegium.

Other than that: nice list.;)
 
Colchester's closer but their football team is rubbish so they won't get in.
 
Neapolis, Tarentum, Nicopolis, Nicomedia, Nicaea were all Greek cities captured by Rome (Taras, Nikopolis, Nikomedia, Nikaia in Greek).

Arelate isn't really a coastal city (it's on the river Rhône).

Lyon developed out of the Roman Lugdunum (originally probably a Celtic settlement), Augsburg was founded as Augusta Vindelicorum, so like Cologne (Colonia, Köln) was a Roman colony. As so often, the later indigenous city developed around this Roman core settlement.

Dyrrhachium (later: Durazzo) suggests a Greek origin (there's no Y in Latin), but is not the same as Epidamnos.

Reggio is the Italian (i.e. vulgar Latin) name for the ancient city of Rhegium.

Other than that: nice list.;)

A city can only be in one civ city list.

none of those conquered cities is on the Greek city list, so they make perfect sense in the Roman one. For example Tarentum was much more important in the Roman period than in the Greek one.
Lyon is already in the frech city list, so it cannot be in the roman one, same with Augsburg for Germany. Köln isn't in the German city list but I didn't list it as I really think it should be there.
Epidamnos is the same as Dyrrachium, "damnos" is too similar to "damnation" in Latin and the Romans didn't like it. Just like Beneventum was originally called Maleventum but renamed by the Romans after a decisive victory.
And yes Reggio is Rhegium, but it's also Rhegion, greek colony on the greek city list, unlike Taras.
You're right on Arelate though, it isn't coastal (although near the coast).


I'll work on Persia next, for example it doesn't even have Artacoana in the list currently, and only one coastal city (btw I started a game as Persia and started on the coast but my capital was still called Parsa).
 
Persian city list attached
 

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Appended and added to tengguan's city list

Non-coastal Main Continent Cities
Beijing
Xi'an
Nanjing
Chengdu
Luoyang
Kaifeng
Zhengzhou
Suzhou
Yangzhou
Shenyang
Lanzhou
Chongqing
Wuhan
Zibo
Taiyuan
Changsha
Nanchang
Guilin
Jilan
Kunming

Coastal Main Continent Cities
Hangzhou
Guangzhou
Shanghai
Xianggang (Hong Kong)
Ningbo
Xianmen
Tianjin
Qingdao
Aomen (Macau)
Dalian
Shenzhen
Fuzhou
Shantou
Jinan
Dalian

Non-coastal Cities in Another Continent*
Lasa (Lhasa)
Wulumuqi (Urumqi)
Kashi
Haerbin
Huhehaote
Henei
Beining
Taoyuan
Jinmen
Xinzhu

Coastal Cities in Another Continent*
Taibei (Taipei)**
Gaoxiong (Kaohsiung)**
Haiyang
Haikou
Sanya
Danshui


* Using city names of places in outer provinces of mainland China or the Chinese names from former Chinese colonies (such as Vietnam, Taiwan, etc.)
**Many of the cities in Taiwan were renamed by the Japanese

I kept the Chinese pronunciation of the city names as well.
 
**Many of the cities in Taiwan were renamed by the Japanese

Taibei/Taipei and Gaoxiong/Kaohsiung are Pinyin/Wade-Giles differences in transliteration, nothing to do with the Japanese. The names would be pronounced the same way in Mandarin no matter how they're spelled in Roman characters.
 
Taibei/Taipei and Gaoxiong/Kaohsiung are Pinyin/Wade-Giles differences in transliteration, nothing to do with the Japanese. The names would be pronounced the same way in Mandarin no matter how they're spelled in Roman characters.

No - the actual names of the cities themselves are new names that were adopted by the Japanese when the island was ceded in the Treaty of Shimonoseki.

Originally Kaohsiung was 打狗/Dagou ("hit dog") - where the Japanese changed the name to 高雄 (Takao in Japanese), keeping the sound, but changing the meaning. Taipei apparently used to be called 城內/Chengnei. Hualien was originally 奇萊, but changed to its current name because it sounded too much like 嫌い in Japanese. Taichung was 大墩. Apparently Tainan was 大圓.

I just put the official English names in parenthesis for those unfamiliar with the official pinyin spelling.
 
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