Rhye's and Fall RAND: Preview #2

[tommybabs]

York
Bristol
Nottingham
Ipswich
Norwich
Birmingham
Cambridge
Canterbury
Newcastle
Blackburn
Manchester
Glasgow
Middlesbrough

London
Hastings
Edinburgh
Cardiff
Brighton
Portsmouth
Hull
Blackpool
Aberdeen
Belfast
Plymouth
Liverpool

Philadelphia
Toronto
Ottawa
Edmonton
Regina
Canberra
Winnipeg
Upington
Kimberley
Salisbury
Warwick

Jamestown
Boston
Baltimore
Bridgetown
Kingston
Sydney
Durban
Melbourne
Perth
Vancouver
Adelaide
Wellington
Port Elizabeth
Stanley

I like the list, but my one suggestion is to replace Middlesbrough with Leeds? It's part of the English Core Cities Group and is regarded 'by some' as the fastest growing city in the UK.

I know you will argue about the steelworks in Middlesbrough for including it, but in that case can we have the magnificent Port Talbot?

I would also say it's very... ish... stuation to have places like Bristol, Glasgow, Misslesbrough and perhaps Newcastle as inland cities. Even Bristol, which is far from the coast, has/had a thriving port?

Great work so far btw Rhye, can't wait to play!!!

 

[SadoMacho]

Dutch

1) Non-costal homeland
Utrecht
Arnhem
's-Hertogenbosch
Leeuwarden
Leiden
Maastricht
Nijmegen
Delft
Alkmaar
Groningen
Breda
Dordrecht
Apeldoorn
Zwolle

2) costal homeland
Amsterdam
Rotterdam
Den Haag (=The Hague)
Haarlem
Den Helder (Historical important)
Den Briel (Historical important)
Veere (Historical important)
Middelburg (Historical important, VOC HQ, currently non costal)
IJmuiden
Vlissingen
Terneuzen
Delfzijl

3) Non costal colonial (hard, as the Dutch didn't colonise continental and if they did, is was in jungle land, so not much)
Bloemenfontein
Johannesburg
Windhoek
Stellenbosch
Fort Nassau
Fort Oranje
Fort Zeelandia (many costal colonies are named likewise)
Noortwijck (New York area)

4)Costal colonies (New = Nieuw)
Kaapstad (in RFC Kaapstadt)
Nieuw Amsterdam (not only New York)
Nieuw Rotterdam
Walvisbaai (= whale Bay)
Batavia (= Djakatra)
Oranjestad
Willemstad
Mauritsstad
Paramaribo
Stabroek
Deshima (artificial island in Japan in the 1600's, Dutch tradingpost until the 1800's, also 't eyland Schisma)

Aslo many colonial cities were named Nieuw something, like Nieuw Utrecht, Nieuw Middelsburg,... but often very small towns.

One could aslo add the fictional Fort Tasman, as Tasman was an important explorer of the Dutch (Australia, New Zealand, Tasmania), but the Dutch never colonized these lands.

 

[sgrig]

Concerning the English city list, I think it is a bit strange having Warwick in the offshore list. Although I realise there is Warwick in both Canada and Australia, the historical English city of Warwick is much better known.

Also, a couple more Russian offshore cities:

Inland Sakhalin: Buyukly
Coastal Kurils: Yuzhno-Kurilsk (Japanese name: Furukamappu)

 

[biggamer132]

Here's what I can come up with for Persia:

Historical:

Parsa (Persepolis) --> Becomes Takht-e-Jamshid (or Shiraz if you want an actual inhabited city nearby) in modern Persian
Pasargadae
Shush
Agbatana --> Hamedan (modern)
Ray --> Tehran
Bakhtar (Bactria)
Bagastana (Behistun)
Tisfun (Ctesiphon)
Samarqand
Bukhara

Modern:

Tehran
Esfahan
Shiraz
Mashad
Tabriz
Kerman
Yazd
Rasht
Abadan
Ahvaz
Borujerd

 

[Rhye]

I would also say it's very... ish... stuation to have places like Bristol, Glasgow, Misslesbrough and perhaps Newcastle as inland cities. Even Bristol, which is far from the coast, has/had a thriving port?

I generally considered those cities the same as Rome: close to the coast, but not coastal.

 

[Rhye]

Middelsburg

or Middelburg?

 

[SadoMacho]

Middelburg, sorry, typo

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

@kbk

Some of your cities are wrong. New York was originally founded by the Dutch as New Amsterdam, then captured by the English to become the modern city.

Houston was founded by Texans, not Spanish. Once the Texan Revolution was done, Houston was built to become the capital. Houston (the person) did so, but his rival, Lamar, changed it to Austin, where it stays.

New Orleans was founded by a French, but controlled by the Spanish for many years.

Could Juno become a Class Three city. It's a city in Alaska, and I wouldn't consider it Continental U.S.

@ Rhye

Is Class Three merely a city on a different continent, or a city that was a colony of the core area. EX) Ephesus in Ionia. Technically another continent, but so close and in the RFC core area, it should be class one.

 

[SadoMacho]

I still would use New York for American, as the Dutch founded more then one Nieuw Amsterdam.

 

[Rhye]

@ Rhye

Is Class Three merely a city on a different continent, or a city that was a colony of the core area. EX) Ephesus in Ionia. Technically another continent, but so close and in the RFC core area, it should be class one.

Good question. I would consider Ephesus a colony, since we have no Greek colonies in America. Or maybe not. Depends on how many cities we gather in the lists.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Add Ekaterinburg before Novosibirsk in Russian city list.

 

[kbk]

@kbk

Some of your cities are wrong. New York was originally founded by the Dutch as New Amsterdam, then captured by the English to become the modern city.

Houston was founded by Texans, not Spanish. Once the Texan Revolution was done, Houston was built to become the capital. Houston (the person) did so, but his rival, Lamar, changed it to Austin, where it stays.

New Orleans was founded by a French, but controlled by the Spanish for many years.

Could Juno become a Class Three city. It's a city in Alaska, and I wouldn't consider it Continental U.S.

Fixed. I'm sorry, it was really late when I did this, being Dutch, I know full well about New Amsterdam

 

[Lokolus]

Good question. I would consider Ephesus a colony, since we have no Greek colonies in America. Or maybe not. Depends on how many cities we gather in the lists.

What about Greek colonies in Europe and the black sea? Japanese colonies in Asia? Arabians in India? Vikings in Russia, Ukraine, Ireland, Scotland?
Do you want Roman cities to be only Roman Italian cities or big settlements all over Europe?

 

[xmen510]

Don't forget if you are making a continental list for greek cities, they founded 13 Alexandrias, 2 of which I believe were costal? . I really like the update. Keep up the great work Rhye.

Also, where are you guys getting your info for listing by founding date? This is very hard to find.

 

[Hitti-Litti]

Viking list:

1:
Birka
Västerås
Södertälje
Viborg
Uppsala
Lund
Skien
Randers
Roskilde
Hedeby
Schleswig
Skara
Sigtuna
Linköping
Örebro
Odense
Ålborg

2:
Nidaros
Oslo
Tønsberg
Stockholm
Bergen
Helsingborg
Kalmar
Stavanger
København
Århus
Aalborg
Malmö
Ribe
Sarpsborg
Visby
Køge
Köpingsvik
Kaupang

3.
Cork
Limerick
Wexford
Skarðaborg
Grobiņa
Holmgård
Timerevo
(I really can't find any more colonial inland Viking cities.)

4.
Waterford
Dublin
Reykjavik
Tórshavn
Vinland
Kirkwall
Swansea
Klaksvík
Helluland
Markland
Hjaltland
Arklow
Brattahlíð
Hafnarfjörður
Reay

Edit: Sorted lists 1 and 2 by founding year(they're not exactly in founding order(I think it's better that Viborg, which is a city nowadays too, is earlier on the list than Sigtuna or Skara, which were founded earlier but are now much less important), but now more so than before).

 

[Metal Alloy Man]

Here's the updated French list.

Category One

1.Paris(52 B.C.)
2.Lyon(100 B.C.)
3.Avignon(Roman Times)
4.Reims(496 A.D.)
5.Chartres
.......,
6.Orleans
7.Toulouse
8.Dijon
9.Poitiers
10.Amiens
11.Rennes
12.Tours
13.Besancon
.............,
14.Metz
15.Clermont-Ferrand
16.Rouen
17.Limoges

Category Two

1.Bordeaux(350 B.C.)
2.Marseille(100-0 B.C.)
3.Brest
4.Montpellier
5.Le Havre
6.Calais
7.Nantes
8.La Rochelle
9.La Roche-sur-Yon
10.Nice
11.Saint-Nazaire
12.Caen
13.Perpignan

Category 3+4 coming soon as well as an American list unless kbk wishes to do this.

Criticism is welcome.

 

[Metal Alloy Man]

Here's Categories Three and Four.

Category Three
..........,
1.Quebec(1608)
...........,
2.Montreal(1642)
3.Baton-Rouge(1699)(Note:There's an accent circonflexe above the a in Baton!)
4.St.Louis(1703)
............,
5.Fort Detroit(1701)
6.Tadoussac(1599)
7.Fort Toulouse(1717)
8.Fort Niagara(1726)
9.Sault Ste-Marie(1668)
........,
10.Saul

Category Four
....................,
1.Nouvelle Orleans(1718)
2.Cayenne(1604)
3.Fort Caroline(1564)
4.Port Royal(1605)
5.Fort-de-France(1638)
6.Basse-Terre(1643)
7.Mobile(1702)
8.Biloxi(1699)
9.Port-au-Prince(1749)
10.Cap-Francais
.............'....,
11.Noumea(1864)

American city names coming soon unless kbk wishes to do this.

Constructive criticism is welcome!

 

[Lone Wolf]

11.Nouvelle-Caledonie(1864)

It's not a city, it is an island. The capital of New Caledonia is called Noumea.

 

[Rhye]

Hitti-Litti, the Viking list looks more a modern Scandinavian list.
It should be consistent with the civ4 one and with the RFC map: Nidaros, Kalmar, Uppsala...

 

[kbk]

American city names coming soon unless kbk wishes to do this.

I'm happy to collaborate as much as you like. Some tweaking and additions will probably finish out the list.