Rhye's of Europe Civ Discussion Thread

[Michael Vick]

@jessiecat: lots? Only one I can think of is wine, that exists as far as Bordeaux. Olives are just going to encourage more trade, not severely make it easier to keep cities healthy. Heck, the bonus could be reduced to +1.

 

[jessiecat]

@jessiecat: lots? Only one I can think of is wine, that exists as far as Bordeaux. Olives are just going to encourage more trade, not severely make it easier to keep cities healthy. Heck, the bonus could be reduced to +1.

Did you even bother to read my post? I named rice, cotton, coffee, incense and silk.

Isn't 5 lots to you? You said there were none

 

[Michael Vick]

Oh, I didn't think you were referring to Egypt and the middle East as the Meditteranean. You have to admit, cotton, coffee, incense, and silk aren't the first things one thinks of when you say "Mediterranean"
I guess rice qualifies, but that's just Valencia and Naples right? Spain wouldn't trade their one rice resource and who would get the rice in Italy? And no, two rice is not lots to me

 

[jessiecat]

Oh, I didn't think you were referring to Egypt and the middle East as the Meditteranean. You have to admit, cotton, coffee, incense, and silk aren't the first things one thinks of when you say "Mediterranean"
I guess rice qualifies, but that's just Valencia and Naples right? Spain wouldn't trade their one rice resource and who would get the rice in Italy? And no, two rice is not lots to me

At least you can admit I was right. Now I can say I actually agree with you about olives if a suitable icon can be found. I've spent enough time in Spain and Italy over the years to realise its importance. OK?

 

[Michael Vick]

Yes, you were right, and I don't really remember but... I think it was all in the Pelloponesian War mod... I'll check.

 

[Michael Vick]

Yes, it's all there. On the right are lone olives, on the left is with the plantation. The icon is just a big green olive, it's all done, no work required, just adding it to the mod

 

[jessiecat]

Yes, it's all there. On the right are lone olives, on the left is with the plantation. The icon is just a big green olive, it's all done, no work required, just adding it to the mod

Then there should be no trouble addng it. Let's do it.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Can olives please not grow on hills but plains? Places like Naples and Sardinia already have limited production, and I never get to use those 2 plains above Naples unless I get public works AND settle Brindisi (to irrigate the farm).

From wikipedia:
A calcareous soil, however dry or poor, seems best adapted to its healthy development, though the tree will grow in any light soil, and even on clay if well drained; but, as remarked by Pliny, the plant is more liable to disease on rich soils, and the oil is inferior to the produce of the poorer and more rocky ground.

So for example, I would replace the salt in Crete with olives, and give Naples olives in either of the 2 plains north of it, and give Tunis olives in the plains SE of it (coastal is better for olives apparently).

 

[Michael Vick]

They can grow on hills or plains, in the mod I got this from, olives were mostly on hills, but some exceptions could be made for Naples or Tunis.
Yes, coastal is good but I think the best is a tile a way from the coast. Spain is the leading producer in olives and most of them are grown further inland, I did try to keep the others coastal though. Any other suggestions?

 

[jessiecat]

Olives should feature in most of the Med from the Middle East to Anatolia, Greece, Italy and Spain. Also less so in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt. Where I've seen them in those countries it's usually been on the slopes of hills rather than in rich alluvial soil. Apparently they do much better on drier, rockier soil that is well-drained. So hills away from the coast seems best to me.

 

[Michael Vick]

That's where I put them, but to get the right ratio of olives and include all the regions would be hard, if I put one in Morocco, then "Morocco has 1/2 the amount of olives that Greece does, which is a bit off. If we did that then Spain would get 4, Italy another extra, Greece another extra, etc. I thought of Africa, but we would have ended up with too many olives, how many total should we have, maximum?

 

[3Miro]

That's where I put them, but to get the right ratio of olives and include all the regions would be hard, if I put one in Morocco, then "Morocco has 1/2 the amount of olives that Greece does, which is a bit off. If we did that then Spain would get 4, Italy another extra, Greece another extra, etc. I thought of Africa, but we would have ended up with too many olives, how many total should we have, maximum?

2 per Peninsula and 1 or 2 in Africa. That is tops.

Otherwise there is enough for everyone and it looses the meaning of competition.

 

[jessiecat]

I would suggest this;

Spain - 2
Italy -2
Greece -1
Anatolia -1
Levant - 1
Egypt - 1
Tunisia - 1
Morocco -1
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Total -10

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Arabia already has too many resources. I would get rid of the salt south of Damascus.

North Africa in general has a lot of wasted resources (like gems and such). Can we concentrate some of them closer to the shore?

 

[Michael Vick]

Morocco and Egypt are out, they produce way too little to be of significance. Egypt providing half as many olives as Spain? Let's get realistic. 8 would be good, if more are in order they should be added to Spain, Greece, or Italy, in that respective order of priority.

 

[3Miro]

Morocco and Egypt are out, they produce way too little to be of significance. Egypt providing half as many olives as Spain? Let's get realistic. 8 would be good, if more are in order they should be added to Spain, Greece, or Italy, in that respective order of priority.

I don't know the history of olives in the Mediterranean, but in terms of gameplay:

1 = The Civ had it in abundance
2 = The Civ exported a lot of it

The tile with resource "olives" or "wheat" is not the only tile that produces that thing, just a tile with heavy production of it. Regular farms do produce something, right?

In general I agree to reduce the number of Olives. Make that as little as possible.

 

[Michael Vick]

Right, and Morocco and Egypt did not have them in abundance, tunisia is stretching it. And no, farms only produce little slices of bread.

 

[Michael Vick]

Are we going to have civ-specific great people eventually? If someone could give me the current list I could start working on it.

 

[3Miro]

Are we going to have civ-specific great people eventually? If someone could give me the current list I could start working on it.

We have a list, I just don't think we can really make it civ specific. We just have a bunch of great people that cover all the civs, but playing French there is no guarantee that you would get anyone from France.

 

[Michael Vick]

This one guy made a mod that made sure you'd only get great peeps from your civilization, can we do that for RFC Europe? If some civs are lacking in people I could work on that.