Richard Sherman - Thug?

[classical_hero]

My point is that physical violence is worse than yelling, yet somehow Sherman is the immature thug.

Then stop playing the game.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Why are you assuming that I assume that everyone that disagrees with me is racist?

There seems to be a lot of that going on in these threads. Perhaps it is inevitable that some of those who take the same position as the racists on these issues will think you are referring to them instead. Perhaps it also helps explain why so many of them respond by claiming you must be the racist for merely discussing racism.

 

[capslock]

To be clear, if you I shoved you in the face and you got mad at me about it, you would be a "dick" or "thug" in this situation?

Did you watch the game? Crabtree didn't run over to Sherman and shove him out of the blue....

Sherman was openly taunting him after the play (he was flagged for it), and he was the one who touched Crabtree when he smacked him on the butt and tried to shake hands. The interview was only part of it. There is absolutely no question Sherman was out of line. None.

But if you say so, you might be called racist, so there are people out there who will defend his obviously out line behavior. That is wrong, just say he crossed the line and this can all be over.

 

[Kyriakos]

There seems to be a lot of that going on in these threads. Perhaps it is inevitable that some of those who take the same position as the racists on these issues will think you are referring to them instead. Perhaps it also helps explain why so many of them respond by claiming you must be the racist for merely discussing racism.

JR seems to have been saying almost the exact opposite.

JollyRoger: I don't think one who disagrees with me is a racist.

Formaldehyde: Anyone who disagrees with JollyRoger is taking the position of a racist, and then is worried that he will seem as one.

Notice some mild difference between the two

 

[Zack]

Did you watch the game? Crabtree didn't run over to Sherman and shove him out of the blue....

Sherman was openly taunting him after the play (he was flagged for it), and he was the one who touched Crabtree when he smacked him on the butt and tried to shake hands. The interview was only part of it. There is absolutely no question Sherman was out of line. None.

But if you say so, you might be called racist, so there are people out there who will defend his obviously out line behavior. That is wrong, just say he crossed the line and this can all be over.

Did you listen to the audio of what Sherman actually said?

 

[Dachs]

Gastineau usually got the lunch pail treatment reserved for white guys. I bet if you reviewed tape on the game announcers you would hear a lot about how he was passionate about the game, hard working, smart, the kind of guy that you expect to carry around a lunch pail. Not one on those physically gifted players that got by on instinct.

Or, take a modern example: Luke Kuechly.

Look at, say, Peter King's Monday Morning Bowel Movement column, and he splurges all those "gritty" "lunchpaily" "hardworkingy" comments all over his descriptions of Kuechly's play. King has one of the most widely read NFL websites in the country; he's not an outlier.

 

[capslock]

Did you listen to the audio of what Sherman actually said?

Ya, doesn't matter. Actions speak louder than words? He was flagged for taunting, fined, and apologized for his actions. He was out of line. Don't worry, it wont' make you racist to admit it.

 

[Zack]

Actions speak louder than words?

That's exactly the point I'm making, lol. Sherman said good game, Crabtree shove him in the face, Sherman got mad and yelled.

 

[capslock]

Maybe we come from different places, but if someone is openly taunting you, in your face, it is OK to push them away. Sherman got the flag, not Crabtree, I think you are stretching here.

 

[Zack]

Again, did you even listen to the audio?

 

[capslock]

Holy moly, yes. When TO spiked the ball in the Cowboys' star at midfield, he didn't even say anything. It is still taunting and still out of line.

 

[Zack]

Holy moly, yes. When TO spiked the ball in the Cowboys' star at midfield, he didn't even say anything. It is still taunting and still out of line.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[capslock]

That you can't taunt someone and expect not to get pushed.

Sherman was flagged, fined, and apologized. You still defend him and say Crabtree was wrong? For what, minding his own business? You are wrong and I am getting bored.

 

[Zack]

How did he taunt Crabtree? good play + "hell of a game" + handshake = taunt?

 

[JollyRoger]

Again, did you even listen to the audio?

Yeah - I heard trolling.

 

[Formaldehyde]

JR seems to have been saying almost the exact opposite.

JollyRoger: I don't think one who disagrees with me is a racist.

Formaldehyde: Anyone who disagrees with JollyRoger is taking the position of a racist, and then is worried that he will seem as one.

Notice some mild difference between the two

I never claimed that "anyone who disagrees with JollyRoger is taking the position of a racist". Now did I?

And to you, what I actually posted is "saying almost the exact opposite" instead of merely discussing why it likely occurs so frequently?

But I agree about them "worried" that they "will seem" to be racists merely because many racists do indeed take the same position. At least you managed to get that part right.

 

[capslock]

How did he taunt Crabtree? good play + "hell of a game" + handshake = taunt?

You are ignoring (or possibly have no understanding of) the timing and context of Sherman's words and are definitely ignoring his body language and as I said earlier, actions. It was inappropriate. Hence the flag, fine, and apology. That is all.

 

[Kyriakos]

I never claimed that "anyone who disagrees with JollyRoger is taking the position of a racist". Now did I?

And to you, what I actually posted is "saying almost the exact opposite", instead of merely discussing why it likely occurs so frequently?

You know, Forma, sometimes i am not sure if you are making a parody of what your reply supposedly would seem like to someone who expects a formulaic response.

So i suppose i'll leave it at that :\

 

[Dralix]

Sherman was flagged, fined, and apologized.

The league hasn't said what specifically they fined him for. It could very well have been for flashing the choke sign.

Did he apologize specifically for the incident with Crabtree?

 

[JollyRoger]

I think he apologized to the league's mediocre receivers for lumping them in with Crabtree,