[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[bite]

The Cree's trade delegation may offer pemmican, buffalo hide, and/or beaver pelts.

Hmmm maybe buffalo was a hint after all ... (one other person here will get that reference, and no I am not being serious... )

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Hmmm maybe buffalo was a hint after all ... (one other person here will get that reference, and no I am not being serious... )

I didn't think she was actually trying to give a hint, but there was a pretty good chance they were going with a culture that consumed bison anyway.

 

[Sagax]

I guess my reasoning for Ottomans being left out is that I can't see a way that the Ottomans are added without the Byzantine counter-balance.

So...just like what they did in Civ 5?

 

[Duckfromstatefarm]

Going to change my list up :

1.Korea (Seondeok)
2.Netherlands (Wilhelmina)
3.Mongolia (Genghis Khan)
4.Cree (????)
5.India alt leader
6. Georgia (Tamar)
7. Inca
8. Celts/Carthage/Ottomans
9. Palmyra (Zenobia)

 

[Duckfromstatefarm]

https://forums.civfanatics.com/attachments/leak1-jpg.483710/
So, looking at this picture we can see 2 new Civilization colour pairings:

Cree is green on navy blue
And there is another Civ which is white(?) on light brown

The leader icons from right left to right seem to be:
Jadwiga, "2", Seondeok, "4", Cree Player

To me, the Cree Player looks female, but it's up for interpretation.
Unknown player 2 looks dark skinned with a red leader icon background and I don't think matches with any pre-R&F leaders or the three we have seen officially already.
Unknown player 4 may be Catherine de Medici but I can't entirely tell.

Either way, unless another pre-R&F Civ/Leader has had a colour change, there is defiantly a new colour pairing in this first look video, which makes me think that this will not be the next First Look video to be released. The white on light brown Civ will be released first if they are brand new and then the Cree. (Alternatively it could be Netherlands but I can't see Wilhelmina's icon, and these colours might be for a new Civ before everyone's colour change that was evident in the last livestream).

Also at the very top of the screen there looks to be some sort of natural wonder, possibly a lake which is providing +1 faith, +2 food and +2 culture across at least 2 tiles?

Perhaps the Cree leader is the same potrait (leader #5 from the civ guide) From the Mongolia leak a week ago ? Can't tell the two unknown leaders the picture is too small for my own eyes.

 

[God of Kings]

Perhaps the Cree leader is the same potrait (leader #5 from the civ guide) From the Mongolia leak a week ago ? Can't tell the two unknown leaders the picture is too small for my own eyes.

She might be.

 

[Craig_Sutter]

She might be.

Buffy St. Marie... the theme music will be easy.

 

[God of Kings]

Buffy St. Marie... the theme music will be easy.

She's still living and thus her music is copyrighted.

 

[Craig_Sutter]

I was being facetious... looking for a female Cree leader in response to your "she might be". My random search for a female Cree leader also happened to turn up Ms. St. Marie.

 

[MarcosQuadros]

I'm a little concerned about the lack of scenarios in this expansion. It seems we are getting none. Which could mean we get DLC in the future.

I'm trying to think of past Civ games expansions that did not have scenarios. But my memory isn't that great. Maybe Play the World for Civ3? It seems like all the expansions had scenarios, or maybe I'm just misremembering.

i think it could also mean more of one/two civs + wonders + scnenario dlcs after the this expansion. i wound't complain

 

[God of Kings]

We could see a Cree + Canada scenario as well as a Byzantines + Ottomans scenario in upcoming R&F-exclusive DLCs.

 

[Vahnstad]

We could see a Cree + Canada scenario as well as a Byzantines + Ottomans scenario in upcoming R&F-exclusive DLCs.

That's what i've thought. I however don't think it's likely that they will make an appearance in this expansion pack. And I think it's more likely to see the Ottomans grouped together with Hungary. Byzantium is probably a staple civ for a second or third expansion pack.

 

[God of Kings]

That's what i've thought. I however don't think it's likely that they will make an appearance in this expansion pack. And I think it's more likely to see the Ottomans grouped together with Hungary. Byzantium is probably a staple civ for a second or third expansion pack.

I concur.

By the way, according to the folks at Firaxis, there's only 46 days remaining until the big day!

We need to make at least 35 posts per day to keep up!

 

[Duuk]

Xpac 2: Empires in Arms

Byzzies, Hungary under Stephen I, Ottomans. with a scenario with city state/great general in Wallachia

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

They aren't going to put Byzantines and Ottomans in the same expansion or DLC. Players complain badly enough that they even coexist in the same game.

 

[Duuk]

They aren't going to put Byzantines and Ottomans in the same expansion or DLC. Players complain badly enough that they even coexist in the same game.

Which doesn't make sense to me, since the Ottomans conquered and ended the Eastern Roman Empire. To me, the Byzantines and Ottoman Empires are as married in my mind as the Byzantines and the Romans. More so, really.

 

[God of Kings]

Which doesn't make sense to me, since the Ottomans conquered and ended the Eastern Roman Empire. To me, the Byzantines and Ottoman Empires are as married in my mind as the Byzantines and the Romans. More so, really.

Some people complain for the sake of complaining.

Byzantines and Ottomans are completely different, despite occupying the same territory.

It's like having Lester B. Pearson be the leader of the Cree.

 

[Sagax]

Which doesn't make sense to me, since the Ottomans conquered and ended the Eastern Roman Empire. To me, the Byzantines and Ottoman Empires are as married in my mind as the Byzantines and the Romans. More so, really.

Where were you when they introduced Ottomans in Civ5 Vanilla and Byzantines only later in G&K?

Although...

They aren't going to put Byzantines and Ottomans in the same expansion or DLC. Players complain badly enough that they even coexist in the same game.

This seems really strange to me - completely different cultures and even playstyles if implemented into the game. And it's funny to see one side complaining about this while the other keeps asking for Italy/Mexico/Argentina on top of the ancient civs in those areas.

 

[Duuk]

Which is why I was upset that Byz and Ottomans aren't likely to both appear in an expac called "Rise and Fall", since LITERALLY the decline and fall of the Byzantine Civ is the Rise and Shine of the Ottoman Empire. Would have been a nice scenario.

 

[God of Kings]

Xpac 2: Empires in Arms

Byzzies, Hungary under Stephen I, Ottomans. with a scenario with city state/great general in Wallachia

@Kimiimaro would love it more if Charles IV of Bohemia were there as well.