[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[God of Kings]

It's time that more of the new civs are from outside the part of Europe that speaks a Germanic, Romance, or Slavic language.

 

[liv]

That does not leave much, Ural Altaic? kartvelian?

 

[God of Kings]

That does not leave much, Ural Altaic?

...or Georgian?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

That does not leave much, Ural Altaic?

And that would be Hungary, Finland, and the Sami?

 

[liv]

I figured that much LOL (about the Georgian but three seconds too late on that one)

 

[God of Kings]

Oh, and the Celts too!

 

[stealth_nsk]

And that would be Hungary, Finland, and the Sami?

Also, Celts (those are Indo-European, but not of those 3 groups), Malta, Armenia, Basques.

 

[God of Kings]

Also, Celts (those are Indo-European, but not of those 3 groups), Malta, Armenia, Basques.

Thus, there's no shortage of good European choices that are neither Germanic nor Romance nor Slavic.

 

[AvianBritish]

No, I mean an Italian civ, a civilization that represents Renaissance Italy, not just Venice. Something that can use the potential of alternate leaders.

Come to think of it... They would be ideal for the loyalty and city-flipping mechanic: "Can exert loyalty pressure on city states to become free cities and exerts double loyalty pressure on free cities. Italy gains all city state suzerain bonuses while the city state is in their empire."

 

[Kimiimaro]

Forty-two days.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Also, Celts (those are Indo-European, but not of those 3 groups), Malta, Armenia, Basques.

too bad nobody can read minoan

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

I actually really enjoy this idea, though I wonder how it would work in principle. There is no "leader" of Switzerland.. kinda like the EU from what I understand. It'd have to have multiple leaders, no? Would the leaders be a Federal Counsel of Governors?
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As the same as India was led by Gandhi, we can imagine William Tell leading Switzerland (with his LUA : Opera Overture : broadcast center with great work of music allow the theater square to defend like a city center or an encampment).

Thus, there's no shortage of good European choices that are neither Germanic nor Romance nor Slavic.

Basque ?...

Come to think of it... They would be ideal for the loyalty and city-flipping mechanic: "Can exert loyalty pressure on city states to become free cities and exerts double loyalty pressure on free cities. Italy gains all city state suzerain bonuses while the city state is in their empire."

Germany, even if it wasn't a unified nation, was sort of unified under the HRE.
But speaking of Renaissance Italy as a unified civilization if really too much for me. I'd rather have only one civ based on a renaissance italian state (Florence, Venice, Genoa, Napoli, Pisa or everything) with bonuses globally italian than a Italian Civ which will play with Venice, Genoa, Pisa, Ancona and Amalfi in the same country (but that's just my puritan opinion).

 

[Duuk]

Basque ?...

In today's climate, where a civil war in Spain is a very real possibility, there is no chance of a Basque / Catalan civ. Which is also a bummer, because they'd be a culture/commerce civ that could be interesting to play.

 

[Liksomkatt]

And that would be Hungary, Finland, and the Sami?

The sami could be a lot of fun, as they could be integrated with the new empire/free city mechanics well. They have never been unified in a country with borders, but have a culture that stretches from Norway, through Finland and Sweden through Russia.

They could be really difficult to culture flip, get bonuses from nations they are allied with, or perhaps have trade routes that could cross into other nations regardless.

They could get extra bonuses from fish, they could introduce reindeer as a new bonus resource, and they could compete with Russia for tundra tiles.

There's also a lot of really nice and unique music in sami cultures.

 

[God of Kings]

The sami could be a lot of fun, as they could be integrated with the new empire/free city mechanics well. They have never been unified in a country with borders, but have a culture that stretches from Norway, through Finland and Sweden through Russia.

They could be really difficult to culture flip, get bonuses from nations they are allied with, or perhaps have trade routes that could cross into other nations regardless.

They could get extra bonuses from fish, they could introduce reindeer as a new bonus resource, and they could compete with Russia for tundra tiles.

There's also a lot of really nice and unique music in sami cultures.

The Sami also claims that Santa Claus lives with them.

Faith, culture, gold, and amenity boost!

 

[Lord Xavius]

The difficult part would be finding a good Sami leader. The mod for V had to make someone up, and I really doubt Firaxis would go the same route. The best (pre-modern) candidate I can think of would be Lars Levi Laestadius, and that's far from a perfect option. Medieval Norse sources speak of Sami "kings" (probably chieftains), but AFAIK no names are known.

 

[WillowBrook]

we can imagine William Tell leading Switzerland (with his LUA : Opera Overture : broadcast center with great work of music allow the theater square to defend like a city center or an encampment)

Hahaha! not going to happen, but fun to imagine!

 

[God of Kings]

The difficult part would be finding a good Sami leader. The mod for V had to make someone up, and I really doubt Firaxis would go the same route. The best (pre-modern) candidate I can think of would be Lars Levi Laestadius, and that's far from a perfect option.

I was joking about Santa Claus leading the Sami.

Despite the numerous popular Santa-tracking apps, Santa is like Shakala of the Zulu, fictional.

 

[Lord Xavius]

I was joking about Santa Claus leading the Sami.

Despite the numerous Santa-tracking apps, Santa is like Shakala, fictional.

I started writing my post before you had posted yours. It had nothing to do with Santa.

 

[God of Kings]

Hahaha! not going to happen, but fun to imagine!

The most William Tell can appear for the Swiss civ is to have Rossini be a Great Musician if Switzerland isn't going to be a civ; Geneva is still a city-state in R&F.