[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[God of Kings]

Way to fail us.

We are a little behind in keeping the pace to break the record.

The Cree have an interesting writing system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Aboriginal_syllabics

This is what it looks like:

At one point, the Cree had among the highest literacy rates in the world, beating even nations with very rich literary traditions.

 

[WillowBrook]

We are a little behind in keeping the pace to break the record.

The Cree have an interesting writing system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Aboriginal_syllabics

This is what it looks like:

At one point, the Cree had among the highest literacy rates in the world, beating even nations with very rich literary traditions.

I like the look of that writing!

I was going to suggest a unique library replacement, but then recalled that the leaked screenshot shows a unique improvement for the Cree. They could still have something related - perhaps a loyalty bonus related to libraries or something.

 

[God of Kings]

I like the look of that writing!

I was going to suggest a unique library replacement, but then recalled that the leaked screenshot shows a unique improvement for the Cree. They could still have something related - perhaps a loyalty bonus related to libraries or something.

The Cree very quickly adopted this writing system, since it was distinct from the Latin alphabet and was much better suited for their language than the Latin alphabet.

In fact, the Cree adopted so quickly, with many hunting parties enthusiastically write using the syllabary on tree bark using burnt sticks, it became part of Cree myth, despite it being created by missionary James Evans, who derived it from the Indic Devanagari script and from Pittman shorthand. Various religious organizations were steadfastly opposed to the syllabary, as it made assimilation to European culture harder.

During the late 19th century, the Cree were more literate than Canadians of European origin! No wonder why missionaries later on ended their opposition to the syllabary and began to print using it.

Yes, the Cree ability could include increased loyalty from libraries to reflect their enthusiasm of the written word in their unique writing system.

 

[Guatenadian]

Am I the only one that doesn't see the use of apologizing for something that happened more than 100 years ago?

Well the residential school system only truly ended when the last school closed in 1996, so that is far from 100 years ago and the social and cultural consequences that occurred still continue to plague indigenous communities throughout Canada. For those that don't know the Residential School system in Canada was set up in order to as one minister put it "To solve the Indian Problem" it was meant to fully rid Indigenous culture and to fully assimilate it by taking children and completely separating them from their family and culture, and force them to learn about Western culture and to be "civilised". Children were routinely abused, physically, sexually, and spiritually. These schools, largely run by the church, would punish any child that was caught speaking their own language, if the children resisted in anyway to what was being taught they would again be punished. Abuse was widespread throughout the entire system. An estimated 150,000 kids went to these schools. Several children died trying to escape and return to their families, some drowned in rivers and lakes others died freezing to death due to the cold Canadian climate.

The largest consequence was the cycle of abuse it created. When these kids "graduated" from these schools they would return to their communities and when they eventually settled down and had kids of their own some would begin to abuse their own kids as a life of abuse was what many indigenous people grew up learning about in these schools. There was also a large disconnect to the community they returned to, practically none of them could speak their own language, nor did they know much about their own culture, many felt as if they didn't belong in their own home. Even today Indigenous peoples are by far the most discriminated group in Canada. Many Indigenous communities have no access to fresh water, despite Canada having the largest amount of freshwater in the world, Indigenous people have higher suicide rates, lower graduation rates, and for those living on reserves have a much lower quality of living.

In the last decade or so there's been an active movement towards Reconciliation between the Indigenous peoples and the Canadian government. There's now a much greater acknowledgement of Canada's actions and how terrible they were and the continued impact it has. While an apology in the House of Commons by the former Prime Minister isn't going to solve everything its a step in the right direction.

 

[God of Kings]

The Residential School System is one of the darkest things that ever happened in Canadian history and is a vestige of Canadian imperialism.

The 21st century is when the mistakes of the past are slowly corrected.

One of the most interesting features of Cree writing is that the vowel sound changes when a character is rotated or flipped. There's a reason why the Cree writing system uses very basic shapes. It facilitates literacy.

We use the Latin alphabet, yet it's poorly suited for writing English (hence the spelling bee).

 

[bite]

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[Zaarin]

Late to the party, but I'm over the moon about the Cree. They weren't my number one choice for a Native American civ, but they were high up on my shortlist. They were an economic powerhouse, being the major players in the fur trade, not only with the European settlers but also with other tribes. They also seem to have filled this role before contact. I'm a little surprised because they don't necessarily have the big personality leaders like Tecumseh, Joseph Brant, or Powhatan, but then again, not all Civ6 leaders really fit that description, so...

I'm very excited and pleased.

 

[Craig_Sutter]

Am I the only one that doesn't see the use of apologizing for something that happened more than 100 years ago?

Not just this case, I mean in general. Like the catholic church apologizing for what they did to Galileo a few years back. Why does it matter?

It didn't happen 100 years ago... more like 40...

 

[God of Kings]

Late to the party, but I'm over the moon about the Cree. They weren't my number one choice for a Native American civ, but they were high up on my shortlist. They were an economic powerhouse, being the major players in the fur trade, not only with the European settlers but also with other tribes. They also seem to have filled this role before contact. I'm a little surprised because they don't necessarily have the big personality leaders like Tecumseh, Joseph Brant, or Powhatan, but then again, not all Civ6 leaders really fit that description, so...

I'm very excited and pleased.

The Cree had Big Bear and Poundmaker, both of whom took part in the Northwest Rebellion.

Louis Riel however was not a Cree; he once wanted to form an offshoot of Roman Catholicism with him being the Second Coming of Jesus I believe.

 

[Zaarin]

The Cree had Big Bear and Poundmaker, both of whom took part in the Northwest Rebellion.

Louis Riel however was not a Cree; he once wanted to form an offshoot of Roman Catholicism with him being the Second Coming of Jesus I believe.

Yes, I believe Poundmaker was the leader I suggested when I first recommended the Cree.

 

[God of Kings]

Yes, I believe Poundmaker was the leader I suggested when I first recommended the Cree.

What could Poundmaker's leader ability and agenda be?

Though convicted of treason, he did what was best for his people.

 

[Thormodr]

Am I the only one that doesn't see the use of apologizing for something that happened more than 100 years ago?

Not just this case, I mean in general. Like the catholic church apologizing for what they did to Galileo a few years back. Why does it matter?

Because it happened less than 100 years ago and many of these people that were abused are still alive. It's the right thing to do. That and significant compensation.

 

[Zaarin]

What could Poundmaker's leader ability and agenda be?

Though convicted of treason, he did what was best for his people.

He could like civs that make alliances, a reference to his upbringing by and alliance with the Blackfoot.

 

[liv]

That is a good thought. Alliances are being reworked so it would not be unexpected to see one of the new civs with an ability connected to that.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Forty-five days, guys.

 

[God of Kings]

Poundmaker indeed would be a great alliance maker.

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@Kimiimaro Looks like our days of announcing the number of days until R&F's release are numbered.

It was fun when it lasted.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

No civ tease I presume?

 

[Duckfromstatefarm]

If there is no civ tease then we may get a first look tomorrow without knowing who it is or the tease is probably pushed back to a different date.

 

[Kimiimaro]

@Kimiimaro Looks like our days of announcing the number of days until R&F's release are numbered.

It was fun when it lasted.

Maybe I can just add it as a little reminder to a post about the main topic.

 

[WillowBrook]

No civ tease I presume?

Not today. I wouldn't be surprised if we get one tomorrow and a First Look Tuesday.