[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[WillowBrook]

Almost here! See you all in a soon-to-be-opened thread in a few minutes!

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

There are red Froot Loops in white milk, the colors of the Georgian flag! All but confirmed at this point!

Same color as Canada though.

Where was the featured article?

Tangent on Jinnah. I had a diplomat tell me that you could tell how religious a Pakistani government official is by looking at the picture of Jinnah he has behind his desk (they all have one, it seems) and his clothing. Jinnah was not particularly religious. He wanted to create Pakistan as a secular home for Indian Muslims. So there aren't many pictures of Jinnah wearing traditional/religious clothing. But as Pakistan's government has become religious, most of its officials switched to the rare pictures of Jinnah wearing religious clothing. So, if you find a government official with a picture of Jinnah wearing a suit, that person is probably not particularly religious or at least views the purpose of the government to be secular.

If you look at the list of recently featured articles under the featured article of the day, his is there.

 

[Duckfromstatefarm]

First look is here, It's the India alt leader, which means the next first look will be Cree.

 

[DeepKing]

These two leaked reveals really poke a hole in my belief that the trailer was showing us each of the RF civs. Maybe the world congress part, or the construction part at the beginning, could be pointing towards Chandragupta (India), but that's a stretch.

 

[pgm123]

These two leaked reveals really poke a hole in my belief that the trailer was showing us each of the RF civs. Maybe the world congress part, or the construction part at the beginning, could be pointing towards Chandragupta (India), but that's a stretch.

I think it was just showing some of them and that we read too much into the rest. I think it's fairly likely that only Georgia is left from the trailer and even that's based on clothing that could be a coincidence.

I still think the opening scene is more likely the Inca than anyone else. The mountains could be a lot of places, but I think it's the Andes.

 

[AvianBritish]

It seems like they always include Civs and City states in the first look that link to the featured First Look civilization. So we should see Toronto next week as a city state if Canada is certainly not going to be in this expansion. If we don't see Toronto as a city state in the Cree First Look; it would give us more hope.

 

[agonistes]

There are red Froot Loops in white milk, the colors of the Georgian flag! All but confirmed at this point!

Well, for the record and to be fair, I predicted Georgia.

And while on the subject, I predicted/wanted Nubia, so Nubia was not a mic dropper for all of us.

 

[Kheznik]

It seems like they always include Civs and City states in the first look that link to the featured First Look civilization. So we should see Toronto next week as a city state if Canada is certainly not going to be in this expansion. If we don't see Toronto as a city state in the Cree First Look; it would give us more hope.

Better yet: Toronto appearing as a free city would be just pure gold.

 

[God of Kings]

The trailer did not give out much hints about the Cree.

The last time I checked, Sean Bean and his daughter did not go deep in the boreal forest trading for furs and neither wore Voyageur clothes nor rowed a canoe.

 

[Kimiimaro]

The trailer did not give out much hints about the Cree.

The last time I checked, Sean Bean and his daughter did not go deep in the boreal forest trading for furs and neither wore Voyageur clothes nor rowed a canoe.

Wasn't there some ship sailing somewhere? I guess it was the New World.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Wasn't there some ship sailing somewhere? I guess it was the New World.

maybe it was just a ship.

 

[Ondolindë]

I still think the opening scene is more likely the Inca than anyone else. The mountains could be a lot of places, but I think it's the Andes.

I really hope you're right. I would just love to have the Inca once more, especially if they cook up something unique for them this time around.

 

[WillowBrook]

maybe it was just a ship.

Sometimes a ship is just a ship.

I'm still not discounting the possibility of Portugal. We haven't seen Lisbon yet, right?

 

[God of Kings]

Sometimes a ship is just a ship.

I'm still not discounting the possibility of Portugal. We haven't seen Lisbon yet, right?

I would like to see Maria II this time.

 

[liv]

No we have not seen Lisbon. I feel like a civ with increased loyalty if building on a different continent could be good

(and just no to the ancients in the video being inca. that would be so wrong)

 

[Zaarin]

As I mentioned before, Alexander calls himself Pharaoh and leader of the Greeks in his first meeting when Egypt and Greece came before him. That's not a problem.

Claiming to rule lands you don't actually own is completely and entirely normal. It took the English until the seventeenth century to stop claiming to own France, for example, despite having lost a century-long war over that particular claim in the fifteenth century.

 

[AvianBritish]

So with 5 more full Civs to go (of which 1 is known to be Cree) I think now will be a good time to recap on city-states which we've yet to see and get overly hyped up about thinking that they will be the final 4 unknown Civs:

So far we have not seen in any R&F media:

• Armagh (Celts or Ireland)
• Bandar Brunei (I don't think this one has been seen; but it's unlikely it will be a Civ atm)
• Carthage (Carthage or Phoenicia)
• Hong Kong (Hong Kong - in my mind, the most unlikely city state to become a Civ)
• Jerusalem (Hebrews, Israel or Palestine)
• Kandy (Sri Lanka or Tamal Kings)
• Kumasi (Ghana)
• La Venta (Olmecs)
• Lisbon (Portugal)
• Nan Madol (Tonga/Lapita, Kosrae, Micronesia, Melanesia or Polynesia)
• Toronto (Canada)
• Valletta (Malta or 'Sea peoples')
• Yerevan (Armenia or Georgia?)

I've also highlighted the two most obvious ones which most likely to return at some point.

That said... We have 8 Civs (and 1 leader) representing:

• 1 North America
• ? South America
• 1 Europe
• ? Africa
• ? Middle East
• 3 East Asia
• ? Oceania & Pacific

So how do the last 4 Civs fit in? 1 for each region? So Inca, Carthage, Ottomans and Tonga?

 

[God of Kings]

(and just no to the ancients in the video being inca. that would be so wrong)

That is indeed shoehorning.

 

[Duuk]

I just had a sudden and terrible thought.

What if the trailer was gauging interest in FUTURE dlc civs? After releasing the trailer, Firaxis would know now that there would be significant interest in Portugal, Italy, and Georgia as DLC civs, and they did it without ever having to put a poll up and listen to whining about why CIV X didn't get included over WHATEVER

 

[UWHabs]

So with 5 more full Civs to go (of which 1 is known to be Cree) I think now will be a good time to recap on city-states which we've yet to see and get overly hyped up about thinking that they will be the final 4 unknown Civs:

So far we have not seen in any R&F media:

• Armagh (Celts or Ireland)
• Bandar Brunei (I don't think this one has been seen; but it's unlikely it will be a Civ atm)
• Carthage (Carthage or Phoenicia)
• Hong Kong (Hong Kong - in my mind, the most unlikely city state to become a Civ)
• Jerusalem (Hebrews, Israel or Palestine)
• Kandy (Sri Lanka or Tamal Kings)
• Kumasi (Ghana)
• La Venta (Olmecs)
• Lisbon (Portugal)
• Nan Madol (Tonga/Lapita, Kosrae, Micronesia, Melanesia or Polynesia)
• Toronto (Canada)
• Valletta (Malta or 'Sea peoples')
• Yerevan (Armenia or Georgia?)

I've also highlighted the two most obvious ones which most likely to return at some point.

That said... We have 8 Civs (and 1 leader) representing:

• 1 North America
• ? South America
• 1 Europe
• ? Africa
• ? Middle East
• 3 East Asia
• ? Oceania & Pacific

So how do the last 4 Civs fit in? 1 for each region? So Inca, Carthage, Ottomans and Tonga?

I don't think it's guaranteed to get an Oceania. We've already gotten a couple of them recently in DLC, and they've already revealed a bunch of Asian civs, who although not in the same region, are very close by (and was also the focus of the last DLC, so has been handled the most recently).

I think they definitely will add at least one African civ - that's a huge region that needs more representation. They probably will add 2 new ones, out of Carthage, Mali, Ethiopia, Zulu, etc.. Lots of choices there, and still many options for new ones too that I don't even know about.

I think they'll have one other American one. Likely South American, although it wouldn't shock me if they added a second North American one, or even surprised us and hit us with a Carribean civ.

That leaves one more option, so probably another Middle East(ish) civ. Maybe Ottomans or the famous Georgians.

I definitely think that 2 of the un-revealed civs will be ones that have never appeared in a civ game before. We already get our returning Dutch/Koreans/Mongols, and the extra leader for India. While Ed was not directly in charge of the expansion pack, he's always talked about trying to explore new areas, and seems very interested in completely new civs. I just can't imagine there being less than 3 of the 8 new civs as complete newbies to the franchise, so I would definitely expect a few picks out of left field.