Rise of Mankind v2.0 discussion
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strategyonly
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Well i used a different font from another mod and he has over 50^ also, ingame and even with that font used when i put olives ingame, the game still crashes?
I used Marnz's.
I'll have to see what happens when I add couple more resources.. it's annoying when the game crashes during start up at gamefont section without any error messages and you have no idea why it happened.. all you got is a clue that there's something wrong with icons 
Edit: Can't believe how many times I've edited again those gamefont files past couple days and still haven't got those new religion icons working *sigh* I think during this summer's Midsummer festival I print huge pile of Civ gamefont files to papers and burn them all in the huge bonfires we have in that festival!!!
Edit: Can't believe how many times I've edited again those gamefont files past couple days and still haven't got those new religion icons working *sigh* I think during this summer's Midsummer festival I print huge pile of Civ gamefont files to papers and burn them all in the huge bonfires we have in that festival!!!
strategyonly
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I'll have to see what happens when I add couple more resources.. it's annoying when the game crashes during start up at gamefont section without any error messages and you have no idea why it happened.. all you got is a clue that there's something wrong with icons
YES darn it!! Also i talked to someone from WoC and they have over 60 listed on their's?
Edit: Can't believe how many times I've edited again those gamefont files past couple days and still haven't got those new religion icons working *sigh* I think during this summer's Midsummer festival I print huge pile of Civ gamefont files to papers and burn them all in the huge bonfires we have in that festival!!!
That was the main reason i used Marnz's font because of the religion icons they work great with his font.
@strategyonly
Yes, I've seen WoC's font and seems they re-arranged the whole font files, resource list is last thing in their font file.
Anyway, progress goes smoothly now, 4 resources added without problems
I just hope I don't have to adjust PlotLSystem much for the new resources.. that's another annoying file to edit. And there's new Ethnic citystyles mod released recently, if I merge that then I would have to edit PlotLSystem and CityLsystem files...
Yes, I've seen WoC's font and seems they re-arranged the whole font files, resource list is last thing in their font file.
Anyway, progress goes smoothly now, 4 resources added without problems
I just hope I don't have to adjust PlotLSystem much for the new resources.. that's another annoying file to edit. And there's new Ethnic citystyles mod released recently, if I merge that then I would have to edit PlotLSystem and CityLsystem files...
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He has a good point. Why not some +health cemetaries? Disposing of the dead has always been high on the list of cultural priorities.
"Burial Mound" +1 health available at Ritualism, double production speed for Spiritual leaders and not expensive ( should be cheap in fact.. like 30-40 hammers. might help offset playing a non-expansionistic civ unlucky enough to start in jungle, what with that +2 sickness from depotism plus jungle meaning 1pop stagnation sometimes).
"Mass Graves" +4 health but -1 happy, available from some medieval tech.. maybe feudalism. Obsolete with oh lets say.. liberalism or humanism.
"Necropolis" +5 health -2 happy, requires Architecture and Feudalism, and that a Courthouse be present in the city.
"Crematorium" +3 health, available at.. hrm. Maybe Steel ( you have to really get a hot hot fire going to turn somebody to ash, so needing Coal might make sense)
"Cryonics Facility" buildable at Medicine, +5 health and obsoletes Necropolis, but -10% wealth in the city.
"Lazarus Hospital" Buildable at Gene Manipulation at... in the future era, requires Cryonics Facility in city.. maybe gives a sizable sudden population boost to the city ala the hanging gardens?
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every game it happens in, this happens..
illyrian pirates event just happens way way too early. There's no way to prepare for it when by turn 100 on Marathon you have a stack of Triremes in your face when you're lucky to have your own religion much less your own stack of Triremes to fight these guys. If it happens to an AI civ, that AI always gets stuck in (far) last place on the power chart, if it happens to me, I just give up.
At least make them Galleys or something, not trireme
illyrian pirates event just happens way way too early. There's no way to prepare for it when by turn 100 on Marathon you have a stack of Triremes in your face when you're lucky to have your own religion much less your own stack of Triremes to fight these guys. If it happens to an AI civ, that AI always gets stuck in (far) last place on the power chart, if it happens to me, I just give up.
At least make them Galleys or something, not trireme
Nordfeldt
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Good suggestions, but the health bonuses are a bit too hefty I think, considering the number of health promoting buildings/wonders/resources already. I don't know if mass graves should be included either... not exactly an achievement in human civilization
Perhaps an "Arlington cemetary" World Wonder instead? Or some other kind of war veteran cemetary, with 1+ happiness bonus and 1+ health bonus (for the park effect
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CMKMStephens
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A war veterency cemetary perhaps would cater to war wariness?
Perhaps whatever graves can add as a population counterweight. If you have ceremonial burial such as grave fields or necropolii, it would naturally take up space and perhaps produce a slight drain on food (lost productive fields) and money (maintenence cost) in return for health (maybe happiness). A necropolis should also generate culture (given Egypts dead-centric culture). Other types like mass graves and crematoriums less so as they make 'better' use of space.
This of course adds to the ever increasing health and happiness explosion, but I guess we just need to come up with some counterweights for those. Probably reducing their effects across the board.
And for something completely different, here are some other ideas:
- A Wonder relocation event a la Temple of Abu Simbel. A very expensive event where you either 'move' the wonder to a new location or lose it...
- Any city with wonders in it that gets raized, the tile should become a 'ruins' temple.
Perhaps whatever graves can add as a population counterweight. If you have ceremonial burial such as grave fields or necropolii, it would naturally take up space and perhaps produce a slight drain on food (lost productive fields) and money (maintenence cost) in return for health (maybe happiness). A necropolis should also generate culture (given Egypts dead-centric culture). Other types like mass graves and crematoriums less so as they make 'better' use of space.
This of course adds to the ever increasing health and happiness explosion, but I guess we just need to come up with some counterweights for those. Probably reducing their effects across the board.
And for something completely different, here are some other ideas:
- A Wonder relocation event a la Temple of Abu Simbel. A very expensive event where you either 'move' the wonder to a new location or lose it...
- Any city with wonders in it that gets raized, the tile should become a 'ruins' temple.
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Good suggestions, but the health bonuses are a bit too hefty I think, considering the number of health promoting buildings/wonders/resources already. I don't know if mass graves should be included either... not exactly an achievement in human civilization
Perhaps an "Arlington cemetary" World Wonder instead? Or some other kind of war veteran cemetary, with 1+ happiness bonus and 1+ health bonus (for the park effect
Eh, there's a massive health deficit in ROM versus food income. you gain more food faster than you gain health, no question about it. Additionally, in the modern era you get a huge number of health penalties from structures and resources like oil. (many techs improving farms, oceans etc.. and lets not forget skyscrapers and food processing plants ok? or the +25% food from beaurocracy)
ROM could use more health.
Also, you really should nerf the Sillicon Valley. +25% everything civ wide is /win
which of course is really /lose for the fun
Version 2.1 progress so far:
Nerfbat has hit things as you can see from the list... Removing most of the food bonuses from Civic options should limit city growth a lot which of course affects everything else. Building cottages should be 'good choice' now too. Same with Watermills, I think I turned them now to be the number 1 choice for river plots.
These are not final changes for next patches.. still working on it later this week and maybe next week too.
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Nerfbat has hit things as you can see from the list...
Removing most of the food bonuses from Civic options should limit city growth a lot which of course affects everything else. Building cottages should be 'good choice' now too. Same with Watermills, I think I turned them now to be the number 1 choice for river plots. These are not final changes for next patches.. still working on it later this week and maybe next week too.
"- Changed: Isaac Newton's College, Leonardo's Workshop and Copernicus Observatory can't be built in same city
- Changed: Edison's Workshop and Einstein's laboratory can't be built in same city"
NO NO.. I dont really like those, as i like to stack every same type of wonders i can get in the same city, yes i have removed that wonders per city limit..
if those changes are in patch, u'll have to told me how to remove them..
everything else:
great work, i may not like them all, but i'll manage..
- Changed: Edison's Workshop and Einstein's laboratory can't be built in same city"
NO NO.. I dont really like those, as i like to stack every same type of wonders i can get in the same city, yes i have removed that wonders per city limit..
if those changes are in patch, u'll have to told me how to remove them..
everything else:
great work, i may not like them all, but i'll manage..
@Dewion
Limiting those Wonders is done in GameUtils.py -file. All of them are commented so it should be easy for you to edit that file if you want to remove that limit.
Stacking those wonders into single city is too powerful as has been pointed out so I added this limitation to them. Besides, one RoM feature is to make Wonders scatter more to mimic bit more real life history
Limiting those Wonders is done in GameUtils.py -file. All of them are commented so it should be easy for you to edit that file if you want to remove that limit.
Stacking those wonders into single city is too powerful as has been pointed out so I added this limitation to them. Besides, one RoM feature is to make Wonders scatter more to mimic bit more real life history easy to u say so, but i dont know anything about those py-files, but i'll try after that patch.. 
yea, i know but i just dont like those limiting effects..
btw, i cant finish any RoM game if u keep patching it all the time..
i playing that snail speed and it is rather slow, but i like it, it gives more movement to units..
speaking of units, how about making military units cheaper to product, but techs and buildings little slower, that would mean massive armies, even at ancient era and buildings would be huge investment of time..
just a thought..
yea, i know but i just dont like those limiting effects..
btw, i cant finish any RoM game if u keep patching it all the time..
i playing that snail speed and it is rather slow, but i like it, it gives more movement to units..
speaking of units, how about making military units cheaper to product, but techs and buildings little slower, that would mean massive armies, even at ancient era and buildings would be huge investment of time..
just a thought..
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"- Changed: Isaac Newton's College, Leonardo's Workshop and Copernicus Observatory can't be built in same city
- Changed: Edison's Workshop and Einstein's laboratory can't be built in same city"
NO NO.. I dont really like those, as i like to stack every same type of wonders i can get in the same city, yes i have removed that wonders per city limit..
if those changes are in patch, u'll have to told me how to remove them..
everything else:
great work, i may not like them all, but i'll manage..
Your cries sound like "I dont like an interesting and challenging game and just play civ for the sake of a hoarder's ego trip" and I mock you for it!
What sane, rational reason do you have for wanting to build every wonder in one ultracity anyways? Sounds like you should be playing with OneCityChallenge turned on in options rather than playing an Empire building game.
Great modification, I'm not even sure it's enough, I'll find out when 2.1 is out.. thank you for it. I ran those changes past my friends and they approve also.
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easy to u say so, but i dont know anything about those py-files, but i'll try after that patch..
yea, i know but i just dont like those limiting effects..
btw, i cant finish any RoM game if u keep patching it all the time..
i playing that snail speed and it is rather slow, but i like it, it gives more movement to units..
speaking of units, how about making military units cheaper to product, but techs and buildings little slower, that would mean massive armies, even at ancient era and buildings would be huge investment of time..
just a thought..
I already get this on Marathon speed. Units take 2-3 turns to crank out and buildings frequently more than 20 ( cheapies aside like granaries or lighthouses)
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