(Rising Tide) North Sea Alliance

Maybe they moved Amsterdam INTO the North Sea.

And I hope Germany does not get its own faction, too much Europe already (it has 3..as many as Asia does w the new middle Eastern one)

Germany could have simply dissolved into a bunch of smaller client states dominated by its 3 bigger neighbors.

Either that or part of a geographically disparate sponsor (Germany, Japan, Mexico, South Africa): Entente... has diplomatic bonuses
I like the last idea but with a modern market of 100 million german language speakers in Germany, Austria and Switzerland I bet they are high on the list for their own faction.
Diversity is good but Firaxis also always looks at the market of where to sell its game :) and Europe (like it or not) has a lot of different cultures close together in rich countries that are potential buyers.
And I think they made a mistake in making some of the "old" factions like PAC, Brasilia and Polystralia or even the ARC to big (on earth-territory wise). But by being a bit vague about some of the territories of the PAC we should at least get I bet Japan (with or without Korea) as a separate Faction.
 
British + Scandinavian faction is exactly what I wanted! Couldn't be happier about this. :)
 
Not sure why this hasn't been posted yet. It probably could be tacked onto the OP.

A WIN FOR HUGHES, BUT THE ALLIANCE LOSES
The decision from the Nomination Committee this week to recommend Duncan Hughes to command the Alliance’s Seeding expedition should come as little surprise to anyone who has attended to the recent history of the Alliance’s offworld adventures. For those of us, like myself, who remain skeptical on the merits of this expedition, it was a given from the outset. Hughes’ presence in the Seeding process and his constant, tedious encomia and hagiography on the Seeding, coupled with his undeniable expertise at offshore construction made him the ideal candidate. Combine this with his non-military background, his working-class background narrative, and the general fecklessness of the Nomination Committee and the alternate candidates, and the outcome was clearly preordained as soon as Hughes’ name appeared on the short list.
It should be said that in fairness, Hughes’ talents as an administrator are unmatched. Before his flight into politics and the quixotic vision of an offworld colony under the NSA flag, Hughes had a career in naval construction and offshore development that would have been enough for three men with healthy senses of self-satisfaction.
As a coalition builder Hughes was underestimated. When the North Sea Alliance referendum on Seeding was announced, the public was polled strongly against. Hughes put together a motley collection of academics, tradesmen, and defence technocrats, and marched under a media campaign banner that neatly cleaved the Green/Resilience coalition of thirty years’ standing in twain. That alone would have been enough for a politician with an appetite to make his legacy.
But Hughes is not a man of ordinary appetites, it seems. Hughes has already done much, and done it with a stoicism that pays tribute to Scotland. Not content with establishing himself as a model citizen of the NSA, he must now be the de facto king of a new planet.
NSA is now committed to our most expensive internal project to date, and to an old Green Resilient like myself, it is anathema. To my mind, NSA chose the better course eighty years ago when we renounced our Seeding program the first time around, a deed of political courage I would rank up there with voluntary de-nuclearisation and the popular relocation of Amsterdam. It was, I thought, a profound rejection of the false promise of saving humanity by abandoning the planet that has sustained us. Any Seeding program pulls too much from the people of this world, in favor of a slim dice-roll of survivability on a world never intended for human habitation. Crop salvage, disease prevention, education – all these are more worthy programs than the colossal gamble of Seeding, sold by confidence men with their technoprogressive flim-flammery.
The public will likely never know the final energy and resource costs of Hughes’ grand exit from the Earth that sustained him. I would warrant that an old construction foreman like Hughes probably knows the metal-equivalence of his project to the gram, and the energy cost to the joule. Mind that we, the public who will carry this burden, will not be able to partake in this bounty. It is reserved for the Sea King of Two Worlds and his courtiers.
So I will not congratulate Duncan Hughes on his good fortune to having engineered his desired political ends. But neither will I denigrate his capabilities. His departure robs the NSA of vital resources, most especially a shrewd and cunning mind which might have solved greater problems for more people on his home world.
https://www.civilization.com/en/news/2015-07-a-win-for-hughes-but-the-alliance-loses/
 
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By the text we can assume that, unlike Al-Falah, NSA seeding ships had cryosleep chambers like the previous factions, right? Because Hugues was on Earth and is both: a) the one who pushed NSA into finally make a seeding of its own; and b) the leader of the new colony.


PS: about my previous post, I came up with better names for almost everyone [some stay the same, ARC is redundant for the sake of inclusion]:

Slavic FEDERATION
Khavithan PROTECTORATE
Franco-Iberia COALITION
Pan-Asian COOPERATIVE
Polystralian COMMONWEALTH
People's African UNION
ARC CORPORATION
Brasilia INITIATIVE
Al-Falah DOMINION
North Sea ALLIANCE
 
Now that's what I was talking about in another thread: Alliance. Notice how the faction name sounds awesome just because of that "title".


Slavic Federation.

Khavithan Protectorate.

North Sea Alliance.


All factions should have this kinda stuff for flavor, it is a very sci-fi thing imo.

Franco-Iberia. The name itself in nice, but it lacks impact. Try Franco-Iberia Coalition; sounds much better, right?

Al-Falah? How about Al-Falah Dominion?


EDIT: also, their capital name is great! Deepcastle, sounds bad ass and appropriate. Even in Portuguese it sounds good if the best words are chosen [Castelo das Profundezas]; irrelevant, since the faction has nothing to do with it, but I felt like mentioning :)

Polyaustralia Conglomerate
American Reclamation Corporation]
Al-Falah Sultanate
 
Sultanate is a thing of the past; with all due respect to people who like living under Sharia, I rather not see it among the stars.
 
Yeah it should be caliphate or something.

Anyway even if you don't want to see it, that doesn't mean it won't find a way.

You can always go to war with them and convert them to space christianity if it really bothers you though.
 
His bible promptly recovered and the sect revived by the reptilian space pope.
 
Hm. Looks like pointing out that there are no religions in BE is not allowed here. Got it!
 
Sultanate is a thing of the past; with all due respect to people who like living under Sharia, I rather not see it among the stars.

What's the problem? If Al-Falah really is a Sultanate and able to survive and reach the planet, powers to Sharia, right?
 
What's the problem? If Al-Falah really is a Sultanate and able to survive and reach the planet, powers to Sharia, right?
If that justification worked, then we'd see an awesome amount of stupidly offensive stuff in video games. ;)
 
I think you're trying a bit too hard with some of these.

As the pan-national body is called the Commonwealth of the Pacific, Polystralia, or The Commonwealth, using Polystralian Commonwealth is totally cool. Essentially its just an alternative way of saying the name.

I don't like how the Brasilia Initiative sounds. It just feels wrong on my tongue. Though I'm at a loss as what to say otherwise. Them and Franco-Iberia I feel may not actually need further labeling. They are the entity.

Didn't someone investigate what Al Falah translated to?
 
Didn't someone investigate what Al Falah translated to?

"Falāḥ (فلاح) is the Arabic word for success (especially from self-improvement), happiness and well-being. In Islamic context, according to the Qur'an, actions such as conforming to Allah's commands, establishing the Zakat (charity tax), not taking intoxicants and not gambling will all lead to falāḥ"

So it kind of mean "The Successfull ones", "The Happy Ones" or something like "The Welfare", "The Happiness".
 
The first time you meet Rejinaldo in game he greets you in name of the people of South American (las pueblos de sudamérica) So how about the Peoples Republic of South America. Sounds a lot better than Brasilia.

Franco-Iberia I didn't like either, mostly because it also apparantly included Italy (which is neither French nor Iberian) and the Maghreb countries Marocco, Algeria and Tunesia according to the lore on the Firaxis site. They see themselves as a Neo (western) Roman Empire. But since they aren't an Empire and most of the modern countries (all except Portugal) border the Mediterranean sea; how about calling them after that? Something like the (west) Mediterranean Parliamentary Assembly.
 
That could work, too. Brasilia Confederation, I like it.

You guys are missing my point, which is not just about names being good or bad; it is about the use of classic sci-fi titles for factions: Alliance, Dominion, Protectorate, Initiative, Corporation, etc. How many times in movies and games we saw stuff like soldiers shouting "It's the Alliance!" or rebels saying "Cursed Imperials!"? While most leaders have repetitive lines, Suzane's "How may the Corporation serve you?" has a lot of flavor.

Every faction should have one because it sounds so damn cool. Also, the less reference to Earth the better, which is why I think Khavithan Protectorate is the best faction name by far.


EDIT: concerning the "caliphate", how about no? Daesh is trying to revive this kind of political entity right now and we can all see the disaster. The Ottoman Sultanate, using Sharia the in best way it can be interpreted, was nowhere near enough concerning things like freedom and human rights; the Caliphates were based on the sword, among other things a bad interpretation of Sharia can spawn.

I rather not see a homage to that, and it would be incompatible with a strong female leader like Ashia anyway [they'd never accept it]. It was ok in CiV, a historical game, but not here on BERT.
 
concerning the "caliphate", how about no? Daesh is trying to revive this kind of political entity right now and we can all see the disaster. The Ottoman Sultanate, using Sharia the in best way it can be interpreted, was nowhere near enough concerning things like freedom and human rights; the Caliphates were based on the sword, among other things a bad interpretation of Sharia can spawn.

I rather not see a homage to that, and it would be incompatible with a strong female leader like Ashia anyway [they'd never accept it]. It was ok in CiV, a historical game, but not here on BERT.
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There are strong female rulers in Caliphate era.

Talking about human rights, The Ottoman empire is the only one who accepted jews when they were being persecuted all over europe. There are tons of examples of Sharia based empires has more human rights achievements than other empires of the era.

Saying Caliphates were based on sword truly gloss over taht any other empires are expanding by using weapons too (Yes, that also applies to USA that invaded Iraq, Syria, and Libya), but that besides the point. You western people always see Islamic expansion simply as expansion of area and barbarism, but for 1400 years Islamic empires brought sciences, technologies, and economy to golden era, usurped only by tag team of Mongols invasions and blood-thirsty Crusaders.

We already have religious based sponsor (KP), why not another?
 
Well KP is based on a fictional religious figure, i rather not have an sponsor leading an actual caliphate, under actual Sharia, in BE. It just doesn't adds anything of value to the game, but would certainly bring in a lot of bad press, specially in these times we are living (with a real so-called caliphate running around, decapitating people). Sure, caliphates/sultanates in the past were oasis of science and ethnic acceptance, but those empires of the past aren't on the news everyday like Daesh is.

Keep Al Falah nonreligious, plz.
 
EDIT: concerning the "caliphate", how about no? Daesh is trying to revive this kind of political entity right now and we can all see the disaster. The Ottoman Sultanate, using Sharia the in best way it can be interpreted, was nowhere near enough concerning things like freedom and human rights; the Caliphates were based on the sword, among other things a bad interpretation of Sharia can spawn.

I rather not see a homage to that, and it would be incompatible with a strong female leader like Ashia anyway [they'd never accept it]. It was ok in CiV, a historical game, but not here on BERT.

Not all caliphates throughout human history were terrorist states though. In fact most weren't.

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This is simply false.
 
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