Stewie0416
Who Cares?
Axe Rush Axe Rush Axe Rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Role Play Challenge: Hannibal's Deal with the Devil!
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CHEESE!
On a long nostalgia trip
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Aye, cap'n, it does seem by me that a strike for the core and capital of America, or a "rush" as the landlubbin' folk should call it, could be in order of our plans of dom'nance, or so I should think. Consid'ring, sir, that we 'have both cop'er and 'horses, it could well be within our plans to conquer (as they fancy-shoed folk say) the land known, amongst our po'ulation, sir, as America, should we decide on such a backhanded man'uever, sir. Fir a start, sir, cop'er allows us not only to produce more, using a mine, sir, but also allows us to buil' an army, sir, of the well-known axemen, sir. Furthermore, sir, we have, too, Horses, which should, should we pasturize it, which we should, should we rush Lincoln, should we decide that path, which I believe, sir, we should, allows us not only to build fast-moving chariots, sir, but also, sir, our, sir, well-known, sir, Numidian cavalry, which, though having a lower base strength, sir, do something else, if my imperfect memory serves, sir, which it should.
If, how'ver, sir, you should not decide on destroying Lincoln, should you not fancy an offensive so early in this game, which you should, should you abide your deal with Old Nick, sir, which you should, should you want to survive, which you should, unless you should, sir, have picked for me as successor to the ship, sir, which you should, should you need a successor that is, sir, being nearly immortal as you is, sir, though that can be easily negated sir, should you choose such a path, which you should, sir. Anyway, as I was saying before I so rudely interrupted, sir, was that if you fancy a peaceful path, which you should not, sir, should you want to continue to exist, sir, is that you ought to begin on the elusive methods of Masonry, should so please you, sir, which it should.
If, how'ver, sir, you should not decide on destroying Lincoln, should you not fancy an offensive so early in this game, which you should, should you abide your deal with Old Nick, sir, which you should, should you want to survive, which you should, unless you should, sir, have picked for me as successor to the ship, sir, which you should, should you need a successor that is, sir, being nearly immortal as you is, sir, though that can be easily negated sir, should you choose such a path, which you should, sir. Anyway, as I was saying before I so rudely interrupted, sir, was that if you fancy a peaceful path, which you should not, sir, should you want to continue to exist, sir, is that you ought to begin on the elusive methods of Masonry, should so please you, sir, which it should.
Matthew5117
Emperor
How long did it take for you to write that, Cheese?! 
Axe rush of course! Numidian (however its spelt) horses are not worth it... the AI hardly uses melee units compared to the amount they use of archery units (archers specially).
On the other hand, the Stonehenge, oh so tempting, free culture and happiness. Its crazy, I'll tell ya! I tempted to say make a chop for the Stonehenge and then have a later than early axe rush.
Axe rush of course! Numidian (however its spelt) horses are not worth it... the AI hardly uses melee units compared to the amount they use of archery units (archers specially).
On the other hand, the Stonehenge, oh so tempting, free culture and happiness. Its crazy, I'll tell ya! I tempted to say make a chop for the Stonehenge and then have a later than early axe rush.
CreeDakota
King
I would prolly tech writing next then HBR.
With your rules I would want this continent to be completely under the banner of the Jolly Rodger before the land bridge appears. That means at least two wars preoptics. One I would do with Numidian and one with cats +.
I would try and find Peter while continueing to expand and prep for war. If peter is close enough leave lincoln til second, he may build a wonder or shrine his holy city.
With your rules I would want this continent to be completely under the banner of the Jolly Rodger before the land bridge appears. That means at least two wars preoptics. One I would do with Numidian and one with cats +.
I would try and find Peter while continueing to expand and prep for war. If peter is close enough leave lincoln til second, he may build a wonder or shrine his holy city.
CHEESE!
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Ah, but seconds, don't you know, my good fellow. You see, old bean, I once met this fellow, at Paddington Station I believe it was. He had the most extraordinary mustache, if my memory serves, quite blue. I kid you not! It appeared to me he was quite eccentric, if you do not mind me saying so, old sport. I mean to say, what the devil was he thinking, there in public with that magnificent blue beard! "Bluebeard", I should call him, if I may use a quite cliched term. But oh dear, my man, I appear to be straying from my topic. Yes, this old fellow. I had discussed many things, ranging from the availability of clams in today's market, to the conquering of those utter savages in the African Plains, Zulus I believe they are called. Anyway, old boy, I was just showing him my writings, specifically on red-throated-freakybirds, on which he was, quite peculiarly, an enthusiast! Quite a magnificent creature, the freakybird. Most alarming violet crest upon his beak. So I was showing my old friend my workings, and he said, being a man of few words but fewer words wasted, "Gosh, you write fast," of which there could be no greater accolade. So I proceeded, in a quite natural fashion, to these august forums, in which I meet fascinating people from all for corners of the earth! Such as you, old bean, such as you. But I am also something of a computer game enthusiast, especially old Civilization 4. I believe you have heard of it? (chortle) But on more serious matters, if I may, I do believe that this poor fellow Madscientist has quite cursed himself with such constrictive rules! I mean no offence to the good man, but if he is to have himself no sailing, then he shall have no knowledge of the able technology of Calendar! I imagine the good fellow will have himself some trouble in the latter stages of the august game, unless he should prefer to fritter away his hard-earned chivalry and quickly dispose of the kindly old boy Lincoln. Do not drive yourself into the deep mud of temptation, boy! Keep yourself pure and sound of heart! Thank you.
Lincoln is too close, with too many nice floodplains in the way, to not kill him right away. Kill him, then cottage the place up, and enjoy some great financial floodplains to tech you up enough to kill everyone else on your island.
huerfanista
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If you want either the GW or SH, you're pretty much locking yourself into a late axe rush (always chancy) or numidian rush (better against melee than archers). I'd say forgo the wonders and concentrate on axes. You might try worker stealing to slow Lincoln down and speed up your own rush. 
Also, do you have an exploring warrior out there? CHA makes it easier than usual to get to Woody2, and if you happen to pop a hut for XP you can get a Woody3 healer early - they are awesome for an early rush. I'd consider promoting a W2 warrior to an axe if you happen to get enough cash. Using him on the last wounded archer will get him up to W3 in no time.
Also, do you have an exploring warrior out there? CHA makes it easier than usual to get to Woody2, and if you happen to pop a hut for XP you can get a Woody3 healer early - they are awesome for an early rush. I'd consider promoting a W2 warrior to an axe if you happen to get enough cash. Using him on the last wounded archer will get him up to W3 in no time.
Loki Strikes
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Kill Lincoln, the sooner the better, so axes. You are financial, he is sitting on floodplains, conquer him, put 2ish more cities on that juicy river work your double gold and lots of FP cottages and take over the world.
BornSlippy
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Exactly. This map is a little meh especially after the Isabella thing. I just don't see a challenge with this starting area, no sailing be hanged. But oh well! I'm sure it will be entertaining as always - I will follow the thread religiously and keep quiet from here on out
Matthew5117
Emperor
^Also, if you build the Stonehenge, it'll never become obsolete because you can't research Astronomy!
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Actually, I never thought of this earlier. Perhaps a way to leverage the "Deal with the Devil". I may build that wonder JUST to spite Satan himself! I have done enough rushes while getting an early wonder to know it's possible and I am sure Abe won't mind delaying his death so Hannibal can build a few statues of himself!
AlienSexFilth
Warlord
Say I : Stonehenge, Great Wall, research Pottery, then AH.
Let Lin grow Wash a bit first, make a 3rd city on his way.
Then Anhilate Lin with nice Numidian Cav, which he will have no way to counter :-D
Let Lin grow Wash a bit first, make a 3rd city on his way.
Then Anhilate Lin with nice Numidian Cav, which he will have no way to counter :-D
cripp7
Playin' Bored
He's already got AH, pottery,writing (scout him out while building axes) is needed though. How do Numidians handle against spears?
AlienSexFilth
Warlord
meant HBR, sorry for that :-D
I think that Numis make little children cry in general :-D
I think that Numis make little children cry in general :-D
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Spears 4 base and 100% versus mounted.
Numidian 5 base and 50% versus melee
For spears defending, that's 4 plus 50% thus 5 vs 6
For Numidian defending, that's 4 vs 3
Add combat 1 to spears and combat II to Numidian (stable)
Spears defending, that's 6 vs 6.4
Num defending, that's 4.4 vs. 4
Add combat I, shock to Numidian looks better
Spears defening is 5.5 vs 5.4, edge Numidian
Num defending is 4.4 vs 4.25, edge Spears
Another words, always a slight edge to Spears unless the Numidians are shock promoted and attacking.
Also consider Numidians have the free flanking promotion.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Your maths is better than your typing mad.
huerfanista
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Lincoln will only have 1-promo spears at best. 4 + 4 + .4 = 8.4
Shock numis are 5 + 2.5 + .5 = 8. Because of CHA promos, you will quickly get some C2Shock numis = 8.5. Those numbers are unfortified spears, so it will be a lot worse when attacking cities. However, using some flanking2,C1 units (numis come with F1) will soften them up enough. The AI doesn't build lots of spears, and numis totally pwn axes and swords, so letting him hook up metals works to your advantage. Also, it's good to build a sentry numi for +1 visibility range. (Hopefully those numers are correct - I don't have any experience with combat odds. But based on experience, numis are quite good in the early game. Not as good as HAs vs archers, but much better against everything else, with better survivability).
EDIT: I see Mad beat me to it, but I didn't see any fortification bonus for the defending spears. Anyway, the bottom line is still that numis age pretty decent, and better than HAs (which many a warmonger has used to devastating effect - yeah, I'm talkin' about you, TMIT
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