Role Playing Challenge: Chivalrous Washington II

[cripp7]

I just played a little bit from that last save, and about 20 turns Napoleon will attack with lots of swordsman and axe followed up by catapult

 

[madscientist]

I just played a little bit from that last save, and about 20 turns Napoleon will attack with lots of swordsman and axe followed up by catapult

Please put these type of comments in spoilers

Spoiler :

Like this

I don't care all that much (well a little) but other games people take more seriously than I take these RPCs.

 

[cripp7]

Please put these type of comments in spoilers

Spoiler :

Like this

I don't care all that much (well a little) but other games people take more seriously than I take these RPCs.

Spoiler :

note taken

 

[madscientist]

Chivalrous Washington: Part III

Well what an exhausting round. Somehow we survived but it was a wild ride and there is alot of work to be done.

First things first. Cripp7 added a spoiler, which is OK and I am glad to see him participating, KEEP it up please, but use spoilers in telling me what is going to happen.

First of all, the status of Big Al. We capture Athen with axes/spears/chariots, so we have Sparta and Athens, 2 good Greek cities.

But sometimes these spoiler things don't always work out (OK, I did send a load of troops to Philadelphia) as the little Man lol: ) declared war on Hatty

Of course that only means I have to declare war on The little general to protect Hatty's honor. Very soon after

OUCH!!!! This is bad and you notice our economy is really in the toilet.

Philadephia took the brunt of the war

But was never in danger of being captured.

On the good side I attacked Al's last 3 cities, razed one but the other two we eventually captued by Issy and Hatty. Greece is no MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!

We also finally teched construction and had some cats and jumbos heading towards Philadephia.

Now I have spent alot of time trying to get Hatty to make peace with Nappy (she refused), asking JC to help me (we have enough on our hands), and asking Cathy to help (we have enough on our hands).

Now, after Al is killed I figured I'ld get at least Issy to help, but got "we have enough on our hands". Nuts

SO I keep dropping troops into Philly and pick off Bouduca's troop.

FINALLY, Something goes my way. Isabella and Hatty both declare war on Boudica! Now according to the RPC rues I CANNOT get roped into that war once I make peace with Bouduca.

Of COurse Boudica wants a steep price

No WAY!!! She will not accept money but I got her to accept HB. Finally I can have some peace, with only 2 rivals left.

The good news is I got alot of well promoted troops. The bad thing is I cannot use them until a rival attacks a lady

SO here we are, trying depserately to tech currency the COL to recover teh economy. I lost quite a few workers also and of course my nice Philly gems mines got trashed.

SO I am open to any suggestions on how to save the economy. I am build libraries all over and plan to run a SE until I can get some cottages going.

Man, women can just make your life so dam difficult

a final view of the landscape

 

[Carabodes]

First of all, the status of Big Al. We capture Athen with axes/spears/chariots, so we have Sparta and Athens, 2 good Greek cities ... ... ... On the good side I attacked Al's last 3 cities, razed one but the other two we eventually captued by Issy and Hatty. Greece is no MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good riddance!

(OK, I did send a load of troops to Philadelphia) as the little Man lol declared war on Hatty. Of course that only means I have to declare war on The little general to protect Hatty's honor. … … … Now I have spent alot of time trying to get Hatty to make peace with Nappy (she refused), asking JC to help me (we have enough on our hands), and asking Cathy to help (we have enough on our hands). Now, after Al is killed I figured I'ld get at least Issy to help, but got "we have enough on our hands". Nuts. … …. …

What’s up with Hatty? Does she WANT the little man to … … ? Nappy just have to become our next victim, don’t you think? I wonder, though, what Salad Boy is up to, since he’s so busy . And Cathy; - what is she planning?

Very soon after ... ... ... OUCH!!!! This is bad and you notice our economy is really in the toilet. Philadephia took the brunt of the war ... ...But was never in danger of being captured. We also finally teched construction and had some cats and jumbos heading towards Philadephia. SO I keep dropping troops into Philly and pick off Bouduca's troop. FINALLY, Something goes my way. Isabella and Hatty both declare war on Boudica! Now according to the RPC rues I CANNOT get roped into that war once I make peace with Bouduca. Of COurse Boudica wants a steep price … … … No WAY!!! She will not accept money but I got her to accept HB. Finally I can have some peace, with only 2 rivals left.

Now we know what made Izzy so preoccupied. Glad to see we have proboscis-units and cats now. Good job on the peace treaty, let the kittens destroy each other.

The good news is I got alot of well promoted troops. The bad thing is I cannot use them until a rival attacks a lady

Did I miss something? What happened in the war between Hatty and Nappy?

SO here we are, trying depserately to tech currency the COL to recover teh economy. I lost quite a few workers also and of course my nice Philly gems mines got trashed. SO I am open to any suggestions on how to save the economy. I am build libraries all over and plan to run a SE until I can get some cottages going.

I noticed you had managed to let the slider creep back up (a bit, from 0% to 20%, ). Build more workers, start heavy cottageing, you have too much unimproved land. Build markets (and then courthouses) as soon as they’re available, you know the drill . Any chance you can get your hands on calendar from anybody? The dye is a moneybag earned.
EDIT: Oh, and hook the gems back up asap.

Man, women can just make your life so dam difficult

We like to keep you on your toes, you’re easier to (wo)manhandle when you never know what to expect.

Nice round, and highly entertaining! I did foresee your rules to make the game a bit difficult, but I didn’t expect to have this much fun.

Keep up the

 

[madscientist]

I didn't make it clear, Hatty made peace with Nappy on her own, I quickly followed and got 100 gold from the lil' man lol: ).

So right now Boudica is fighting both Issy and Hatty. I cannot get involved although I plan to help my two allies as much as I can without breaking the chivalrous rules towards Bouduca (does donating war elephants to the egyptian war effort count as being unchivalrous ).

Elizabeth has 3 or 4 cities and is teching away, her usualy style, and is probably not an issue even if she's annoyed at me. She's the least likely to declare war on me.

Napolean is hindu with Bouduca, so I am thinking he declares on Hatty or Issy which means I gotta go after the French again (jumbos, Jumbos, Jumbos!!!!!).

I think the big kicker is what the Romans and Russians are up to. I feel safe from Cathy (although I do not 100% trust her) and JC has been a pretty decent trading partner. I am not concerned with Napolean but I reely do not want to be fighting Roman Prats (did I mention I need Jumbos!). Right now I plan to do nothing until until I see what Rome and Russia are up to.

The ideal situation is for JC to hit France (they are different religions) and Cathy to enter the Celtic war (again different religions, and she may be wiling to help Issy/Hatty). That would force me to maintain peace for a long time, or at least long enough to build up the economy.

I think the AP is going to be out of the question as I'll never get to theology in time before someone else builds it.

 

[Carabodes]

I didn't make it clear, Hatty made peace with Nappy on her own, I quickly followed and got 100 gold from the lil' man lol.

Okay – Well done!

So right now Boudica is fighting both Issy and Hatty. I cannot get involved although I plan to help my two allies as much as I can without breaking the chivalrous rules towards Bouduca (does donating war elephants to the egyptian war effort count as being unchivalrous).

It’s chivalrous towards Issy and Hatty, sure, but very unchivalrous towards Boudicca. This is a big , your rules are to STAY OUT OF THE CATFIGHTS!!!! (But what Boudicca doesn’t know, won’t hurt her , so maybe you should be forgiven for earning some brownie-points with Egypt and Spain - perhaps just one little jumbo to each of them? )

Elizabeth has 3 or 4 cities and is teching away, her usualy style, and is probably not an issue even if she's annoyed at me. She's the least likely to declare war on me. … … … … I think the big kicker is what the Romans and Russians are up to. I feel safe from Cathy (although I do not 100% trust her) and JC has been a pretty decent trading partner. I am not concerned with Napolean but I reely do not want to be fighting Roman Prats (did I mention I need Jumbos!). Right now I plan to do nothing until I see what Rome and Russia are up to.

Liza usually behaves in any game, she’s also easy to please with trading, gifts, open borders and all that. Cathy I would never trust, she’s known to be a backstabber, so do not feel safe (more jumbos ).
For the moment I think you’re safe from the salad-tosser. He’s got that crazy little guy as a neighbour, and might also be invited into the fun in the Celtic highlands, you’ll just have to wait and see. (– and build some jumbos!) (Ever since I beat the Roman with Quechuas/pike men and later mace men, I’ve lost all respect for praetorians, they die too, you know, but may take somebody with them when they go. )

Napolean is hindu with Bouduca, so I am thinking he declares on Hatty or Issy which means I gotta go after the French again (jumbos, Jumbos, Jumbos!!!!!).
The ideal situation is for JC to hit France (they are different religions) and Cathy to enter the Celtic war (again different religions, and she may be wiling to help Issy/Hatty). That would force me to maintain peace for a long time, or at least long enough to build up the economy.

Mutual struggle with the Vegetable would be nice , but I don’t like the idea of him taking too many French cities – we want him alive, but small and manageable . (And yes, you did mention jumbos, and more jumbos. )
So, when fighting Nappy, raze cities? Or give them to the ladies? That last option should really earn you some brownie-points.

What would be tricky, is if one of the fair maidens joins in on Nappy's side, then you would still have to fight him to protect the other ladies, and turtle up against the lady that decided the little general was more attractive than you. Or would that situation force peace upon you?

I think the AP is going to be out of the question as I'll never get to theology in time before someone else builds it.

If it can’t be helped, okay. Hopefully it will be built by somebody with your religion, so that you at least can earn the hammers (and the extra votes). – And in the meantime you can build some??? You guessed it: JUMBOS!!!

Apart from all that – I know your economy is a bit stretched at the moment (to say the least), but I did notice that you have few cities, far apart. Any plans of expanding, filling in the holes? When up and running, new cities would help with research as well as production (of more jumbos ).

This is so catching, I think I'll just have to make up a similar game on my own, but switching the sexes of course. Now, let's see, which men are in dire need of being rescued by an Amazone?

 

[madscientist]

You certainly have many more choices for rescuing on of the gents than I had.

I see you could go several ways

A) The Amazon Bouduca in a conquest/domination win over guys like Shaka/Ghengis/Monty/Ragnar etc... Just keep out the charismatic ones, as Bouduca's charismatic enough.

B) THe manipulative Catherine. Befriend them and stab them in the back.

C) The Motherly Victoria who needs to protect the weeklings (Ghandi, Pacal, Saladin, Wang) from the Brutes (you know who they are).

 

[madscientist]

Chivalrous Washington: PArt IV

Well, I gotta say that the ladies are tough to deal with but the little man lol: ) Is a MAJOR pain.

Soon after I start Napolean declares war on HAtty. Of course I have to declare on him, here we go again.

Well, I decided to take the fight to the French this time and send some of the Philadelphia Garrison off to France. I figure if they get killed at least I won't have to pay maintenance, right???

We come to the mosr eastern French city

Took it then razed it. Proceeded to march into French territory and pillagedas much as I could (horses and copper) until I lost the army. OH well. But in the meantime I teched Currency although Issy gifted the last few turns. I tech COL and Cathy gifted the last few techs.

I also get a request from Hatty

No choice. Then to add insult to injury Tacitus informs me I am last in tech

Soon after something unexpected happened

Liz gets a backbone and goes after that former Greek, now Spanish city. WEll, I can stay out.

Also, Bouduca took 2 Egyptian cities, one culture flipped to me (no, it will not get me iron) which I gifted to hatty.

I am half way through teching Fuedalism, then a real game turner occurred, I got a GS. No doubt what to do here,

Liz founded Toaism, but she was the only one with it.

Next turn a series of trades (Yes, I am unloading it fast since the ladies are going to be asking for it anyway and I cannot refus).

Wow, one bulbed tech got me Fuedalism (well, half), Theology, Callander, Metal casting, Aesthetics, about 2000 gold, and peace with Napolean. Alot better than settling the GS!!!!

Now, 1 turn after peace with Naps Cathy finallt declares on him. Too bad, I got to wait 10 turns. Hopefully he is pummeled by the Russians and maybe JC can get into the deal (I am really warming up to JC, must be the dress, er toga!! )


So here we are, lot's of gold to hike the science slider up, building courthouses and markets although slowly, and I am teching machinery for crossbows. I think JC will trade it to me once I tech a few turns.

SO that is the status. We need to declare on Naps in about 10 turns.

Also the AP was built. Not sure who, I will check later but Isabella was elected over Catherine. Another interesting thing occured once I spread Judaism to my last city

I got a chance to run the AP during the next election, Sweet. I cannot use it for victory but I can use it to get the entire world at war with Nappy who is the lone AI without a Jewish city.

Here are some screenshots for the status

Interesting Rome is the only AI who has not been at war yet, who would have thunk it!!!

So some goals and plans here

1) Civics: I am switching to vassalage and theocracy. Since I have 2 GGs settled in New York and Washington I would be able to punch out CG III Longbows and crossbows. Let the Celt choke on that with some complimentary cats/jumbos!!!

2) Tech: Liberalism yeah right. I think guilds/civil service/engineering/gunpowder. Defense baby

3) Wars: I am pretty sure Nappy is going to be hurt pretty well by Cathy, she is a very competent general. JC is now the issue, where does he stand??? Worse case is he declares on Bouduca instead of Nappy.

4) Longterm tech tree: Scientific method/Physics/electricity/radio/mass media. Backfill by trade and get the UN going.

5) Right now I stink at city developement, military, tech, and about 20 other things. That is irrelevent as 3 of the ladies absolutely adore me, plus the crossdressing Roman seams to have his eye on me too . Liz is indifferent, Nappy's days are numbered. That leaves the very dangerous Bouduca who I looking at staying #1 for the UN vote and being my rival. She has not scored brownie points so it is conceivable that we can get the UN votes if I can ever get anywhere near buiding it.

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[madscientist]

Chivalrous Washington Part V

well this is a very long and rather dry installment.

First our Diplomatc situation nea rthe start

Now I did a little sneaky thing here, as soon as the ten turn wait with Napolean ended I immediately demanded 300 gald which I got. That forced another 10 turn peace during which Cathy made peace. A little unchivalrous perhaps, but a little desperate for a reprive.



Liz made a request for Literature which we gave.

Toga man finally entered into the fray, declaring on Boudica (may have been the other way arround, I do not remember) however I was forced to declare on Caesar (1 turn after the screenshot). Well, that peace really couldn't last

Te war(s) went pretty uneventful except my gems got trashed again. I had wars on and off with Naps and JC. Also Boudica and Hatty/Issy shook things up again.

We caught up some in tech

Then the most amazing thing happened

Holy Smokes, peace has broken out!!!!!! I quick start on some infrastructure, universities/markets/grocers.

I had education and although I lost out in the liberalism race I was is good shape for first to economics (or so I thought). Soo after starting economics Cathy "asked" for education which I gave. This lead to he scouping the tech by a few turns. Dam Russians!!!

I did get one very difficult request that I could not refuse

Ugh!!!. Yeah I converted and Hatty dropped to pleased (OK), Cathy dropped to Pleased (OK), Issy to cautious (Hmmm). 5 turns later I switched back to Judaism and all was well.

Also JC is making some annoying demands (all my gold, converting to hinduism, things I will not do) so war is on the horizon. I think Nappy has been cowed though.

The last save is after teching chemistry:

So we have 2 tech paths right now

1) Replacable parts/rifling/military tradition/steel and prepare for war with JC and a defensive war with Boudica.

or

2) Astronomy/Scientific method/physics (airships!)/electricity/radio/Mass media for the UN.

Not sure how the vote will turn out. JC will certainly need to be knocked down. Nap and Liz are none issue because of population. Boudica is probably the UN rival. Cathy and probably Hatty will vote for me but Issy is questionable (I had to refuse alot of anti-Boudica requests).

I am open for suggestions. I never thought I would get this far to tell the truth.

 

[Carabodes]

See what happens? Enter real life (by way of PC, can’t go out much due to health issues), hook up with friends and family (facebook.com, my newest toy , great for creating family groups, improving on genealogical info), enjoy some music (make favourite playlists on YouTube), and this is what I get: You racing away, almost finishing the game, leaving me behind to comment on yesterdays news.

Well, I gotta say that the ladies are tough to deal with but the little man lol: ) Is a MAJOR pain. Soon after I start Napolean declares war on HAtty. Of course I have to declare on him, here we go again.

That’s Nappy for you, completely off his hatters!

Well, I decided to take the fight to the French this time and send some of the Philadelphia Garrison off to France. I figure if they get killed at least I won't have to pay maintenance, right??? We come to the mosr eastern French city Took it then razed it. Proceeded to march into French territory and pillaged as much as I could (horses and copper) until I lost the army. OH well. But in the meantime I teched Currency although Issy gifted the last few turns. I tech COL and Cathy gifted the last few techs.

That was kind of new strategy of warfare – go in, determined to get killed. Your chivalry did pay off techwise, I see, great!

I also get a request from Hatty No choice. Then to add insult to injury Tacitus informs me I am last in tech

The little lady has you completely wrapped around her little finger, hasn’t she? And Tacitus didn’t tell anything you didn’t already know, did he?

Soon after something unexpected happened Liz gets a backbone and goes after that former Greek, now Spanish city. WEll, I can stay out. Also, Bouduca took 2 Egyptian cities, one culture flipped to me (no, it will not get me iron) which I gifted to hatty.

Well, to survive, Liz had to start moving, she had only 3 cities before that. The city that flipped to you, was it so crappy that you were better off returning it to Egypt? I can’t help thinking that you could have needed that city in your empire (which at that time was rather small). But it can’t be helped now, and it made Hatty happy.

I am half way through teching Fuedalism, then a real game turner occurred, I got a GS. No doubt what to do here, Liz founded Toaism, but she was the only one with it. Next turn a series of trades (Yes, I am unloading it fast since the ladies are going to be asking for it anyway and I cannot refus). Wow, one bulbed tech got me Fuedalism (well, half), Theology, Callander, Metal casting, Aesthetics, about 2000 gold, and peace with Napolean. Alot better than settling the GS!!!!

I really loved that part, best use of a GS I’ve seen in a long time.

Now, 1 turn after peace with Naps Cathy finallt declares on him. Too bad, I got to wait 10 turns. Hopefully he is pummeled by the Russians and maybe JC can get into the deal (I am really warming up to JC, must be the dress, er toga!! ) So here we are, lot's of gold to hike the science slider up, building courthouses and markets although slowly, and I am teching machinery for crossbows. I think JC will trade it to me once I tech a few turns. SO that is the status. We need to declare on Naps in about 10 turns.

Nice twist, being unable to assist the lady, AND having money to really prosper during peace. As for warming up to the cross-dresser: Look at his picture, he is rather flat in the front, isn’t he? Almost hollow, astmathic/tuberculous?

Also the AP was built. Not sure who, I will check later but Isabella was elected over Catherine. Another interesting thing occured once I spread Judaism to my last city I got a chance to run the AP during the next election, Sweet. I cannot use it for victory but I can use it to get the entire world at war with Nappy who is the lone AI without a Jewish city. Interesting Rome is the only AI who has not been at war yet, who would have thunk it!!!

Nice, and please do launch everybody on to Nappy. As for Rome being late to war: I’ve seen that many times before, to me it looks like he prefers midgame battles unless he’s cornered early.

So some goals and plans here
1) Civics: I am switching to vassalage and theocracy. Since I have 2 GGs settled in New York and Washington I would be able to punch out CG III Longbows and crossbows. Let the Celt choke on that with some complimentary cats/jumbos!!!
2) Tech: Liberalism yeah right. I think guilds/civil service/engineering/gunpowder. Defense baby
3) Wars: I am pretty sure Nappy is going to be hurt pretty well by Cathy, she is a very competent general. JC is now the issue, where does he stand??? Worse case is he declares on Bouduca instead of Nappy.
4) Longterm tech tree: Scientific method/Physics/electricity/radio/mass media. Backfill by trade and get the UN going.
5) Right now I stink at city developement, military, tech, and about 20 other things. That is irrelevent as 3 of the ladies absolutely adore me, plus the crossdressing Roman seams to have his eye on me too . Liz is indifferent, Nappy's days are numbered. That leaves the very dangerous Bouduca who I looking at staying #1 for the UN vote and being my rival. She has not scored brownie points so it is conceivable that we can get the UN votes if I can ever get anywhere near buiding it.

1), 2) and 4) were good decisions. Item 3) was answered in the next round. Item 5): Well you answered that one yourself:

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next round:

Now I did a little sneaky thing here, as soon as the ten turn wait with Napolean ended I immediately demanded 300 gald which I got. That forced another 10 turn peace during which Cathy made peace. A little unchivalrous perhaps, but a little desperate for a reprive. Liz made a request for Literature which we gave.

Speaking with a forked tongue now, are we? Seems to me you are making favourites of some of the girls, leaving the others alone in the cold darkness of night. Naughty!

Toga man finally entered into the fray, declaring on Boudica (may have been the other way arround, I do not remember) however I was forced to declare on Caesar (1 turn after the screenshot). Well, that peace really couldn't last Te war(s) went pretty uneventful except my gems got trashed again. I had wars on and off with Naps and JC. Also Boudica and Hatty/Issy shook things up again. We caught up some in tech

Seems to me you’re getting some war weariness of your own. Pretty uneventful, huh???

Then the most amazing thing happened Holy Smokes, peace has broken out!!!!!!

That statement really proves my point: Severe case of personal WW!

I quick start on some infrastructure, universities/markets/grocers. I had education and although I lost out in the liberalism race I was is good shape for first to economics (or so I thought). Soo after starting economics Cathy "asked" for education which I gave. This lead to he scouping the tech by a few turns. Dam Russians!!! I did get one very difficult request that I could not refuse Ugh!!!. Yeah I converted and Hatty dropped to pleased (OK), Cathy dropped to Pleased (OK), Issy to cautious (Hmmm). 5 turns later I switched back to Judaism and all was well.

Playing favourites again, are we? Remember, the owner of Russia is female, too! Where’s your chivalry?

Also JC is making some annoying demands (all my gold, converting to hinduism, things I will not do) so war is on the horizon. I think Nappy has been cowed though.

So, JC has finally started bodybuilding, maybe the toga is just a disguise?

The last save is after teching chemistry: So we have 2 tech paths right now
1) Replacable parts/rifling/military tradition/steel and prepare for war with JC and a defensive war with Boudica.
or
2) Astronomy/Scientific method/physics (airships!)/electricity/radio/Mass media for the UN.
Not sure how the vote will turn out. JC will certainly need to be knocked down. Nap and Liz are none issue because of population. Boudica is probably the UN rival. Cathy and probably Hatty will vote for me but Issy is questionable (I had to refuse alot of anti-Boudica requests). I am open for suggestions. I never thought I would get this far to tell the truth.

Item 2) I think (?), although replaceable parts would be nice for the extra hammers, that is if you have a significant number of forests left to build lumber mills. I’m not quite sure, though, because JC with rifles is a very scary thing. Do you have enough EP’s to see his research? If he goes all military (which I’m afraid he will do), then you’d better follow quickly.

And talking about EP, any chance you can steal anything from anybody? Weight your EP to one person?

According to chivalry rules, are you allowed to vote for yourself when up against a lady? Or will you have to throw in the towel and vote for Boudicca? If the latter is true, then tech military and space race.

And after thinking this through, seeing what I’ve written, I’m starting to think that maybe item 1) is best. Take the military route, wipe out JC completely, keep his cities, go for space. This while hoping that the ladies will destroy each other, and that you, now stronger and bigger from the former roman properties, may stay alive to do so, and have enough votes in UN to keep any lady from getting the diplo win.

Flip a coin?

Good job on getting this far, last time I checked in to read, it looked like you were truly doomed, now I actually believe you can pull this off, somehow, you just have to be on the alert, follow where ever the wind blows.

 

[Carabodes]

Just stumbled upon this quote:
”All warfare is based on deception. There is no place where espionage is not used. Offer the enemy bait to lure him.“ Sun-Tzu

Apply some?

 

[madscientist]

Chivalrous Washington Part VI

Well this is a shorter segment, but I came up to something that I want to cler up a bit before continuing.

First thing is we just teched chemistry. The thing is that there are 2 techs I wanted from the ladies, astronomy and constitution which both are higher beakers than Chemistry and noone will trade it one for one.

So I made a series of trades (I did trade liberalism to Boudica for about 600 gold, no screenshot).

First I get some cash from Hatty

And I take advantage of JC while I can

And help Isabella some

And even the lil' general lol: )

Which finally gave me alot of cash to get astronomy from Liz

I was also able to get constitution from Cathy.

At this point Boudica declares war on JC

And I get a calling from McCauley, no longer doing poorly in tech.

I also popped a GS. Do doubt this time, we start a GA so we can finish replacable parts fast (well, by the end og the GA).



This time arround I wait a few turns, then send my stack of Doom towards JC. Not concerned about him and plan to take a few cities.

I asked Hatty to join the war and she agreed. Also made a reasonable trade with her

Now, I coming out on the losing end of these trade but it is keeping the ladies happy AND they would be asking for them anyway.

I talked to JC and see he has few cities.

I took one Roman city, Anterrium, then tried to take another and bribed Cathy into joining

I also made another tech for gold trade with Bouduca and look at this

She likes me, she really likes me!!!! Well for one turn, but she is consistantly at cautious now. Perhaps I should send a spy her way and force a change in civics to Free Religion. That should go a long way to smooting things over.

The gold from Boudica was for another trade with Lizz

I did have to tech Scientific method one turn to get this trade but worth it. The map revealed

OIL!!!! That was one of my biggest fears in this RPC as I could not take it from the ladies.

Oh, about JC. He wimped out folks, old GW's mighty stack of Doom and the ladies emasculated him and he capitulated to Boudica.

Of course this complicates things because immediately Boudica declares war on Isabella meaning JC declares war on Isabella. Now I should run to Issy's side b declaring on JC but that means declaring on Boudica, So I consider this a fight between the ladies and JC is just useless excess baggage. This is what I want a ruling on, this the chivalrous thing to do????

Oh, I do not have the scrrenshot, but next turn Napolean declares on Isabella. Well that's easy, time to wipe the lil general out, I'll see if Cathy wants to join the fun, maybe she will vassal him ending all the rivals!!!

So the map

and power graph

I plan to build some privateers and harrass JC. My Roman SoD should be enough to hurt Napolean some although I am not 100% certain what his army look like, he is charismatic too and has grenaders.

Decisions on techs:

We can go physics/electricity/radio/massmedia or

rifling/military tradition first.

We probably want steel so we can get an ironworks to either run engineer to pop a GE for the UN or just build it.

I will look at victory conditions and population but I assume Boudica is #1 especially with JC as a vassal. Most likely I get votes from Cathy/Hatty/Isabella (if she's alive) and an abstention from Liz.

As far as making an honest woman out of one of these ladies, Old George has his eye on the Russian Redhead althugh we need to have a defensive pact for a while, not an easy thing to do with these moron rivals declaring war all over the place. Also this a tricky thing as Boudica may declare on Cathy while we have a defensive pact, but I don't think so (at least while Isabella and Hatty are alive for Boudica to beat up on).

Things are looking up but it is taking a very long time to tech now (56 turns for physics). With the troop costs I may just sit back again and wait for Nappy to come to me.

 

[vicawoo]

I'm thinking that the proper way to stay in character would be to convert them all to one religion and try to get the men to another religion. If women were fighting, I would think a chivalrous person would try to make repair their relationship.

 

[Carabodes]

First thing is we just teched chemistry. The thing is that there are 2 techs I wanted from the ladies, astronomy and constitution which both are higher beakers than Chemistry and noone will trade it one for one. So I made a series of trades (I did trade liberalism to Boudica for about 600 gold, no screenshot). First I get some cash from Hatty And I take advantage of JC while I can And help Isabella some And even the lil' general lol: ) Which finally gave me alot of cash to get astronomy from Liz I was also able to get constitution from Cathy.

Nice work, especially on JC and Nappy, might as well suck them dry before the die.

And I get a calling from McCauley, no longer doing poorly in tech.

Wow, from forgotten to mediocre, not bad.

At this point Boudica declares war on JC … … … This time arround I wait a few turns, then send my stack of Doom towards JC. Not concerned about him and plan to take a few cities. I asked Hatty to join the war and she agreed. … … … I took one Roman city, Anterrium, then tried to take another and bribed Cathy into joining

Nice to have another city, especially since it was roman.
So, now you’re protecting Boudicca from herself, and at the same time bribing Hatty and Cathy into the war, to be able to protect them from JC and yourself? Somehow this do not sound very chivalrous. Seems like you’re doing some self-protection here.

I also made another tech for gold trade with Bouduca and look at this She likes me, she really likes me!!!!

Oh, heavenly bliss.

Oh, about JC. He wimped out folks, old GW's mighty stack of Doom and the ladies emasculated him and he capitulated to Boudica.

Well, he was rather predisposed, with that toga and all.

Of course this complicates things because immediately Boudica declares war on Isabella meaning JC declares war on Isabella. Now I should run to Issy's side b declaring on JC but that means declaring on Boudica, So I consider this a fight between the ladies and JC is just useless excess baggage. This is what I want a ruling on, this the chivalrous thing to do???? Oh, I do not have the scrrenshot, but next turn Napolean declares on Isabella. Well that's easy, time to wipe the lil general out, I'll see if Cathy wants to join the fun, maybe she will vassal him ending all the rivals!!! …. …. …. …. I plan to build some privateers and harrass JC. My Roman SoD should be enough to hurt Napolean some although I am not 100% certain what his army look like, he is charismatic too and has grenaders.

Oh yes, privateers please, now that Jules has joined a lady, he really deserves to be harassed.
So, you’re not protecting Isabella from Boudicca/JC, but you are protecting her from Napoleon and you want to invite Cathy into that? Somehow you’re chivalry is going down the drain here. (In the struggle of the “Survival of the fattest”, self-preservation has indeed taken front seat! )
Nappy with grenadiers, scary! Remember; - I’m still awaiting my revenge, wipe out the little general!!!

Decisions on techs: We can go physics/electricity/radio/massmedia or rifling/military tradition first. We probably want steel so we can get an ironworks to either run engineer to pop a GE for the UN or just build it. I will look at victory conditions and population but I assume Boudica is #1 especially with JC as a vassal. Most likely I get votes from Cathy/Hatty/Isabella (if she's alive) and an abstention from Liz.

Nappy’s got grenadiers , so some infantry might be in order? But although a small general with big grenadiers scares me, you’ve got grenadiers too, so it might be quite all right to forget about rifling for a while. Even so, earlier access to infantry as well as the benefits of IW should make Steel and Steam power priorities?
Apart from the fact that you’re currently researching Physics, I’m not quite clear on where you stand tech-wise, other than I noticed the results of all your lovely trades.
Maybe you should switch to Steel for now, then pick up on Physics again? Would be nice to have the UN up and running as soon as possible (and gift/trade Mass Media to the owner of AP, to get rid of the thing). I think you’re right about your assumptions on the votes, but I’m not sure if the balance of the votes will be in favour of a diplo win for either of you, that might change depending on who’s getting the most French cities. And some place squeeze in/trade for Combustion/Steam Power/Railroads to take advantage of all that lovely oil you suddenly own?
(This is the point in every game where I do not follow “the main stream”, so I’m a bit at a loss here. Normally I tech SM down to 1 turn, then go the Steel/Steam Power route, when nothing but SM is left, I do that last turn, then trade for Physics (I do love my monasteries(!) and being able to improve oil as soon as I see it.) Of course I occasionally change that order, depending on the game played, but mostly I stick to it.)

As far as making an honest woman out of one of these ladies, Old George has his eye on the Russian Redhead althugh we need to have a defensive pact for a while, not an easy thing to do with these moron rivals declaring war all over the place. Also this a tricky thing as Boudica may declare on Cathy while we have a defensive pact, but I don't think so (at least while Isabella and Hatty are alive for Boudica to beat up on).

What is it with that Russian lady? She seems to hold a strange grip over most male players in this forum.
Well, marry her, then, and if Boudicca declares, take out the toga-man, then turtle up at yours and Cathy’s borders untill you manage to sweet-talk her into peace.

Things are looking up but it is taking a very long time to tech now (56 turns for physics). With the troop costs I may just sit back again and wait for Nappy to come to me.

NO!!!! I …. Need ….. My ….. REVENGE!!!!

I'm thinking that the proper way to stay in character would be to convert them all to one religion and try to get the men to another religion. If women were fighting, I would think a chivalrous person would try to make repair their relationship.

Nice to have you joining in, I’ve been feeling a bit lonely in this comment-box.
You’re right, making the women keep their peace would indeed be the most chivalrous thing to do, but how to do it? Using spies is one option, the normal spread religion -> ask nicely/bribe is another.
Asking Boudicca or the rivals nicely will not work, they’re in bad moods, GW has somehow managed to get on their “wrong side” (wonder how ). GW is rising, but is still only mediocre (at least he’s not totally forgotten any more ), not much bribing power in him, I’m afraid.
The other fair maidens could be asked nicely, and would probably melt to GW’s charm and golden tongue but; - Will that stop Boudicca? That woman is greedy!

She likes me, she really likes me!!!! Well for one turn, but she is consistantly at cautious now. Perhaps I should send a spy her way and force a change in civics to Free Religion. That should go a long way to smooting things over.

Maybe changing them all into free religion could be the answer
Do we want to spend hammers on some spies to see if it might work? Madscientist, will you accept that challenge?

 

[madscientist]

Well, after some thought and reading posts I have some comments/ideas before continuing,

1) Issue of Keeping Peace amongst the ladies: They won't have it. Boudica is in Theocracy so I cannot spread Judaism to her. Even if I switched Boudica to FR using a spy (I rather not risk them getting caught) I cannot build enough missionaries to convert Boudica before whe switches back. Best I can do is gift techs to Boudica to get her to make peace, since she is pretty far behind in tech.

2) Survival: Yeah with these crazy women I am looking for self preservation. Unchivalrous to defend Isabella versus JC/Boudica, perhaps. But rules state I cannot declare on Boudica and I am sticking to that.

3) French Grenaders: I do NOT have them as I need the military science tech to build them. rifles are a poor counter so the best immediate tech is Crussairs (Military tradition) which is makes them equal or Physics for Airships to weaken appoaching Grenaders.

4) Roman city: I gifted it to JC (rules do not say anything about this) as I could never keep it due to the culture pressure from Rome.

5) Marraige: Well to be honest Isabella is pretty weakened and behind in tech. Hatty is right on Boudica's doorstep. Liz and Bouduca won't do it. Cathy is doing very well in tech and has been happy with Issy and Hatty (which keeps thier UN vote) and has alot of land and military power. Am I letting money and land sway my enamorous intentions, Dam right I am (and historically that is what Washington did, Martha was a rich widow).

6) Beelining the UN. To be honest I am concerned that Liz may go down the electricity/radio/mass media path before Redcoats, I have seen her do this. I am in big trouble if she builds the UN first.

7) Gifting Mass Media. Yeah, as soon as I build the UN. I am really going to try to get a GE if possible so I can build the damn thing pronto.

8) Cathy's intentions: Now that I think about it, since I cannot get into a defensive pact with her (I have not declared on Napolean yet) I am thinking she is on the verge of declaring on someone else.

I'll play the next round tonight.

 

[Carabodes]

3) French Grenaders: I do NOT have them as I need the military science tech to build them.

Ouch! I just saw chemistry and thought, great, at least we’re equal, forgetting all about military science , my mistake. Get some horses with powder!

5) Marraige: Well to be honest Isabella is pretty weakened and behind in tech. Hatty is right on Boudica's doorstep. Liz and Bouduca won't do it. Cathy is doing very well in tech and has been happy with Issy and Hatty (which keeps thier UN vote) and has alot of land and military power. Am I letting money and land sway my enamorous intentions, Dam right I am (and historically that is what Washington did, Martha was a rich widow).

There’s nothing wrong about having a comfortable married life, I guess.

6) Beelining the UN. To be honest I am concerned that Liz may go down the electricity/radio/mass media path before Redcoats, I have seen her do this. I am in big trouble if she builds the UN first.

Yes, Liz can be scary that way; she seems to be a very good planner, as AI goes. Even when small, she somehow manages to be one of the better, tech-wise. I’m all for the beeline, it’s just that worrisome little general …. …..

8) Cathy's intentions: Now that I think about it, since I cannot get into a defensive pact with her (I have not declared on Napolean yet) I am thinking she is on the verge of declaring on someone else.

It would be kind of great if she casts her twinkling eye on Liz. Or Nappy, more mutual struggle, as well as giving me my revenge. Have I told how much I hate that little … … #%&#§ !!!!

Good luck on the next round, and whatever you do, do it in style!

 

[madscientist]

Chivalrous Washington: Part VI

Oh Boy, women. Can'r live with them, can't live without them.

Things went along very well this round until a potentially cataclysmic event occurred at the save which may end up costing the win, but we shall see.

First things first, as of the last save Boudica was pounding Hayy while Nappyu declared war on Isabella. First thing is we declare war on Nappy and send a nice invasion force at him. Bad idea. He trashed some of my resources, I trashed some of his and lost almost all my invasion force trebs to knights. I sue for peace soon after giving Isabella a tech to make nice.

I blew off teching physics, too long to get any return. I start on Military tradition so I can get a defensive pact. Halfway through I can trade replacable parts to hatty for mil trad and quickly sign a defensive pact with Cathy. After about a 2 turn engagement (man is she fast)

Notice anything? There is now a misses Washington. This is turning point #2 (after bulbing Philosophy earlier). Quickly we see the glory of married life.

Isabell also asks for a defensive pact which we ignore. GW is a one woman man (at least on paper).

Things get complicated as Hatty capitulates to Boudioca and JC breaks the agreement and goes off into a huff. This is good and bad as we see later.

I mean I really like married life

Also I agetting messages from Cathy saying you traded with our worse enemies. Well lady, you took the ring, I'll talk to whoever I want!!!!

Now the interesting thing is Cathy will tech whatever I ask her to, so we team up on electriity, then radio. We got physics and democracy off of trades.

Also note this

And make all the decisions, anit that great!!!!

Now toga man decides to be macho and declares war on me and the mrs.

Also soon after Boudica declares on JC and man does she bring it

I took Neopolitan while Boudica took almost everything else. I managed to raze 2 more cities, then captued JC's last city which I gifted to my bride. That's 2 rivals down.

Here is diplo view, Liz is warming up a bit!!!

And our victory page

Now me and cathy have teched radio and we start on mass media with 12 turns left at the save point.

Our civics at this point

Going with universal sufferage to get some brownie points from Boudica who I gifted democracy to.

Our cities, as you cna see I am specializing anything.

Then KABOOM!!!!!!!

She also had Nappy as a vassal, so it''s Boudica/Nappy/Hatty versus me and the misses. Now I cannot invade Boudica (damn chivalry thing) but Cathy certainly can.

The map showing my northern borders

And Neopolis which I abandoned to defend Philadephia (once again).

So that's where I saved the game.

I have a 12 % chance of popping a GE from Washington, here's to hoping I get one, fast build the UN and try and get a victory. Obviously I will gift whatever I can to Boudica for peace, but the lady aint' talking to me yet.

 

[TRJS]

Ouch! That woman knows when to hit you.

 

[Carabodes]

First thing is we declare war on Nappy and send a nice invasion force at him. Bad idea. He trashed some of my resources, I trashed some of his and lost almost all my invasion force trebs to knights.

That annoying little … ….

I blew off teching physics, too long to get any return. I start on Military tradition so I can get a defensive pact. Halfway through I can trade replacable parts to hatty for mil trad and quickly sign a defensive pact with Cathy. After about a 2 turn engagement (man is she fast) Notice anything? There is now a misses Washington. This is turning point #2 (after bulbing Philosophy earlier). Quickly we see the glory of married life. Isabell also asks for a defensive pact which we ignore. GW is a one woman man (at least on paper). I mean I really like married life Also I agetting messages from Cathy saying you traded with our worse enemies. Well lady, you took the ring, I'll talk to whoever I want!!!! Now the interesting thing is Cathy will tech whatever I ask her to, so we team up on electriity, then radio. We got physics and democracy off of trades.

Congratulations! And Willy as a morning gift as well. And then you thank her by digging deep into her purse – hum, I can see why you wanted a rich wife. - And once married, all chivalry go out the window and you start bossing her around. (But at least you’re bossing her in the right direction. )

Now toga man decides to be macho and declares war on me and the mrs. Also soon after Boudica declares on JC and man does she bring it I took Neopolitan while Boudica took almost everything else. I managed to raze 2 more cities, then captued JC's last city which I gifted to my bride. That's 2 rivals down.

Very nice, only one (the worst) rival left.

Then KABOOM!!!!!!! She also had Nappy as a vassal, so it''s Boudica/Nappy/Hatty versus me and the misses. Now I cannot invade Boudica (damn chivalry thing) but Cathy certainly can. And Neopolis which I abandoned to defend Philadephia (once again). So that's where I saved the game. I have a 12 % chance of popping a GE from Washington, here's to hoping I get one, fast build the UN and try and get a victory. Obviously I will gift whatever I can to Boudica for peace, but the lady aint' talking to me yet.

Ouch . Hopefully you’ll manage to bribe Boudicca to peace, build the UN and snatch the victory.

(Sadly it seems that the little general is going to live through yet another game and I’ll not get my revenge. Now I really do have to start my own game, playing as Boudicca the Amazon, and make Nappy my main target of destruction! )