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RPC, The Next Generation: King George III and the American Revolution

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by madscientist, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    What, are you just going to 100% ignore the lesson I taught you and about 3/4 of the forum back in RPC: Stagnation?! How exactly would a colony in England win again ;)?
     
  2. Silu

    Silu Chieftain

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    Breaking the vassal pact with worldbuilder would make for amusing situations though :) Maybe even some reverse colonization of England by Americans!

    Not that England would have a chance to win in that case either...
     
  3. Airefuego

    Airefuego Chieftain

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    Is it permissible to have a mad tyrannical fit of hatred at the English peasantry - and pillage every improvement in Olde England just before splitting off the colony??
     
  4. Jehoshua

    Jehoshua Catholic

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    i would suppose not, but considering the leader is such a tyrannic psychpomp it is possible.
     
  5. The Dark One

    The Dark One Settled Priest

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    You'll get the circumnavigation bonus no problem, and you'll win Lib without building anything in the Old Country other than units. The more settlers, workers and soldiers you have to ferry across the water, the better, and you'll hamper England by leaving him with much less infrastructure than he would want, I guess.
     
  6. Loki Strikes

    Loki Strikes Chieftain

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    If you really wanna nerf England, whip pop down to absurd levels on workers/settlers/longbows/maces/galleons, anyway nice EARLY Astronomy there Mad lol.
     
  7. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    Why are we nerfing England? For RPC flavor is understandable (though I don't see it required/suggested in the OP). For any other reason is flagrant ignorance and should desist.
     
  8. naterator

    naterator Bravely running away

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    I agree, a vassal on an island shouldn't be much threat to what should be a continental superpower in no time (considering the quality and quantity of cities you can put up in america). Even with the 4200 year head start, a vassal is pretty easy to keep from winning. Of course whipping them down for more settlers makes alot of sense too, i just would do it to strenghten myself, not to weaken my vassal.
     
  9. JammerUno

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    If they're not winning culture, vasssals will never win the game.
     
  10. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    They can be directed away from culture wonder techs too, so unless they have a bunch of religions even that is implausible. A post sci meth colony probably won't even be able to make missionaries.
     
  11. I-imp

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    As I continued in my game, doing a SP watermill/Workshop economy, I made the mistake of spinning of Britannia too early. I think I probably should have spun off after I took electricity. Its now 1728 and China is a monster with Persia, Japan, India, Mali, and Egypt as vassels, coming up to 40% of land total. Germany+Russia are in good graces and I got Ragnar for a colony, and hopefully we will be able to win the inevitable war.

    In retrospect, I should have colonized more of S. America.
     

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  12. MadmanAtW

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    Meth colonies are +:) but also +:yuck:, I suspect. ;)
     
  13. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    They don't know they're sick so it doesn't count obviously.
     
  14. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    King George III: The American Colonies

    KING George is a simple lord and has only 2 things he is concerned about here. LIBERALSIM and COLONIES! Essentially the entire British Islands were neglected in order to produce settlers and military for the new world AND to provide Commerce/specialists to fuel the race to Liberalism.

    First, we see the world has on-goinf diplomatic issues, most notably WAR.



    Greece and Rome contiue to shred each other while the Russians overwhelmed the Germans setting up an intersting situation for later. But for now, his most highest Majesty, King George III has decreed the techapth to be

    Civil Service/Paper/Education/Liberalism which we JUST finished before the economy crashed in ruins.

    Now being of Royal lineage and having a proper crown the Honorable French Gentleman across the channel has becaome an excellent partner.



    Sire, London is under considerable culture pressure, but I tell you friends SO WHAT!

    The important matter is that our first Boatload of Crosswbows/axes has reached the Eastern American coast, looking to fogbust a bit for the eventual settling group.



    And our first group of settler have an excellent support group.



    Of course there are no workers left inEngland in case of Locusts, but I ask you SO WHAT!

    Our caravel finally made it around south America to the pacific to find.



    What has a pretty strong, if extremely backwards land. Qin is no super power, vastly behind in land and tech even with his excellent resources.

    we found continental Europe full of great trading partners, a gift from the Zealot lady's Faith.





    The Louis trade was enough to get us the circumnavigation bonus.

    And we met Qin, the final leader



    We opened borders an have good relations already.

    We begin settling the American eastern seaboard, establishing Williamsberg and Plymouth.

    As we pop the next Great Scientist



    We ship him off to the new world to found an academy. Not much right now, but very much needed later on.

    The African Leaders finally met us



    Who made excellent trading partners.

    The AP religion appears to be Judaist, meaning we HAVE to get at least ONE Jewish city in American.

    Still more fillin trades









    YES, Kingship get's George alot more respect. We also made sure we kept getting gold as our maintenance costs are skyrocketing with every colony King George establishes.

    Next we establish Jameston, and Build an academy in Williamsberg



    I am thinking our new Palace should go into Williamsberg.

    We continued to have problems with the natives who were complaining we were infringing on their lands.



    BAH! What is the native population's homes compared to the glory of King Georges new lands!

    We load up the next boat of reinforcements along with another settler.



    On the eve of Liberalism our tech advantage is pretty significant.



    AND



    I opted for nationalism as nationhood is probably one of the better civics here (until the Palace situation is straightened out and we do not have cottages). Also the next best option was Printing Press which is already known. I toyed with delaying it to research nationalism my self to get constitution but with the economy crashing, and I did ALOT of money begging and bad trades for cash to get where we are now.

    At this point I saved with some questions

    Next tech??



    I think contitution for some scientists in the new world, especially since



    2 more Great Scientists for 2 more Academies.

    Techs you can see





    OK I am thinking Nationalism for Printing Press and Optices from Hatty and Nationalism to Mansa for guilds. I really do not think neither England nor American is equipped to build the Taj even with marble and there are many other things to do right now. That would still give us the advantage of universities for a little bit although I think courthpouses are a priority right now.

    A map of North America right now



    I am planning to settle right down the coast, all the way to the Amazon jungles.

    Our cities still show a dependence on England,



    But I tell you what, not that much! Some farms and scientists may allow us to revolt to indepencdence alot sooner than in the Jaoa game.

    Now Civics.



    What do we want??? I am looking at slavery/Free Religion right now with a future eye on Constituion and State Property for a good late game SE coupled with the production strength of watermill/windmills/workhouses.

    Also one last thing before we pop to the Scientific Method/Constitution path. Do we want to get banking and economics first once we trade for guilds???? A free Great Merchant trade mission can certainly get us a fast start towards independence or at least a golder age.

    Well there we have it. Time to continue pumping out units/settlers/workers.
     
  15. The Dark One

    The Dark One Settled Priest

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    Nicely done indeed. Definitely constitution, and your strategy is spot on.

    BTW, I'm amazed at what's happened in the east - QSH is usually massive. My latest Elizabeth game, it's me and him vying for top spot, everyone else nowhere. Happily, we're all Muslim in the Old World, even in Africa, a total love-fest... while I kill jaguars with artillery and infantry. Big, big fun!
     
  16. ICNP

    ICNP The Third Superpower

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    Divine Right or Constitution both seem nice in a RP concept. Constitution is great for emancipation and growing America into power. Just write that Constitution and use it as a breaking point from the foolish Brits.
     
  17. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    King George III: Growth of the American Colonies

    All is going well for the Americ'as and King George, who frankly has been spending more and more time on the Smooth Carolina beaches, Majesty New England mountains, and lush Central American Tropics. Yes, George is tired of the stale and rainy English isles and continues to build the new lands at the expense of hard English work.

    We begin by researching the Constitution, or as the old foggies in Britain call it, the Magna Carta". Essentially the entire segment as spent researhing it, showing you how much we crashed the economy last segment!

    We made a few trades with the only ones close to us in techs





    Hatty would not take nationalism for printing press so she must have been close. We accept these as we want to head towards a watermill based economy in the new world.

    We adjusted civics, slavery will be needed here.



    And we immediately took advantage of this ugly civic



    The idea is to get the forbidden palace built in Britain onc ehte Palace is built in the Americas. To do that we need 8 courthouses fast and overall production is fastest in the homeland at this point.

    Ashoka offers us the tech to get our UB



    The AP is Judaist, so it is time to think about the New world to avoid an "Unpleasentness". We transported a few Jewish Missionaries.



    As the powerful and advanced leaders are now Judaist, we care less about the lackards in Europe, so we adopt Judaism as the state religion, for now. Rumour has it George was one of the missionaries to the New World himself!

    A view of the cities



    And you can see the Palace going up in Williamsberg (being chopped out mostly) while York is constructing George's Forbidden Palace for those rare times he is forced to return to England to escourt more support troops back.

    And finally, the Astronomy genie has been let out of the bottle. Expect to see Indian cities in the new world as Ashoka has already colonized Australia.



    At the end of constitution the Palace has been built and the Forbidden Palace ready to be whipped to completion



    Allowing us to up the slider to 40%.

    I should mention we also have 3 academies in the new world, Williamsberg/Jamestown/Plymouth.


    And on the streets of Williamsberg there is a leader among the people. A vocal individual vehemently screaming for independence from the home islands of England. Most people look around confused say "We have things good here, what's the problem?". By the man is so persuasive that the majority are screaming in the streets for independence. Copies of the Constitution are displayed and soon the English change civics proclaiming free religion, the end of slavery, praises for the national state, and most importantly a representative gevernment.



    The ground work is laid for change. All that remains is to cut all ties with the motherland. But who was that vocal leader, pictures of him surface



    "It's the King" an old man exclaims. He is quickly hit over the head with a shovel to silence him. The vocal leader says "No, I am not THAT George, I am a new George by the name of Washington and I am ready to lead you all to be an independent nation!". "But he's the King" the Old man sqwacks as he comes to "CRACK".

    So the America's are being led by this mysterious leader simply named George.

    we saved there to get a vote on whether independence is due us.

    Some views of the game

    Colonization of Central and South America



    With more settlers on the way after some viscious last minute whipping in England.

    The view of the cities



    We are falling behind in tech



    replaceable parts to start the watermill/windmill construction but I think we need Democracy in the Americas!

    And Demographics



    The effect of not cottaging is apparent. We need to quickly establish a strong SE in the new world while building up a production base.

    So what say you all! Are we ready for INDEPENDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  18. I-imp

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    I say nay, to independence. At least until you get electricity.
     
  19. LuCiver

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    Independence is long overdue, for the British! The rabblerousers in London are calling for an end to the tyrrany of Mad (Scientist) King George!!!

    Sidenote: Wtf are you wasting hammers on FP? Independence for Britain will bring a free Palace.

    Side 2: Happy Thanksgiving, Mad!
     
  20. KeloGBites

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    Yep you can spin off England now, and yeah I'd go with Democracy if you are thinking of using cottages, or if you think you have a reasonable shot at the SoL. Otherwise I'd say go with a beeline to State Property. You have huge land, and lots of it productive. Might as well get some super-workshops/watermills going. Hehe...communist america, never thought I'd see the day.
     

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