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Serutan
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Volga Germans were Germans who moved to the Volga River valley of Russia
during the time of Catherine the Great (herself German).
White Russian is the term for the inhabitants of Belorus (White Russia).
I've never heard of Black Russians, just drank a few.
. I have heard of
Great russians, which are those Russians living in Russia proper.
during the time of Catherine the Great (herself German).
White Russian is the term for the inhabitants of Belorus (White Russia).
I've never heard of Black Russians, just drank a few.
. I have heard ofGreat russians, which are those Russians living in Russia proper.
I thought the Volga Germans were the descendants of the Gothic tribes who'd moved into the region some centuries after the beginning of the Christian era?Serutan said:
Could also be the term for the anti-Communist, pro-Royalist forces during 1918-1922 civil war...
No idea either.I've never heard of Black Russians, just drank a few.
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
The Germans were indeed invited to settle there by Catherine. They did so because of gaining own land. Later they also got an own SSR. But in ww2 they were deported to Kasachstan mainly. Most of them returned to Germany after the reunification. Some companies of the Bundeswehr with Volga German conscripts spoke better Russian than German. I know an incident where a Conscript asked his lieutenant to make message on Russian...
Adler
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Commy
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The Black Russia is a region in north-western part of Belarus
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
White Russia and Black Russia (both in Belarus) have had a slightly different history to normal Russia IIRC. Neither of them were as large or as important as normal Russia though. Oh, and that was some BUMPing there
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
...but this allows me to add: Yes, there are indeed some traces left of the Goths on the Krym penninsula. But they are not in any way related to Wolga Germans (if you search for those, use their capital 'Saratov').
And the White Russians are not only the Belorus, but also the opponents of the Red in the civil war of 1917-1922(?).
And the White Russians are not only the Belorus, but also the opponents of the Red in the civil war of 1917-1922(?).
All good answers, other than to add a couple points:
Ancient Rus gave birth to an Eastern Slavic civilization that became an immense beacon for nearly all Slavs (and some non-Slavs) too far east to experience the tug-of-war between Constantinople and Rome but when Rus imploded and was eventually carved up by the Mongols/Tartars and Lithuania, many Eastern Slavic groups were cut off from one another and regional differences became increasingly pronounced. By the 19th century there were still many, many more Eastern Slavic groups than there are today. The Soviets in particular 'consolidated' and eliminated or ignored many groups long recognized by Lithuanians, Poles, Hungarians, Turks and Austrians; Lenin simply organized them into two main groups: Byelorussians (White Russians) and Ukrainians. Gone were Red Ruthenians, Black Ruthenians, the Lemko, etc. Rather than distinct groups, these peoples - some of which still survive today - are seen now as mere linguistic dialects of Russian, Ukrainian or Belarussian and not languages or cultures in their own right. 19th century nationalism destroyed or marginalized a lot of groups like this all across Europe.
Re: the Germans of Russia; as Russia gained control over the Baltics in the 17th and 18th centuries it inherited a large number of Germans (especially in the territories of modern Latvia and Estonia), who were descendants of medieval German colonists who had spanned throughout the eastern Baltic lands. Some derived from the post-crusades military orders (the Livonian Order, the Teutonic Knights) in the 12th and 13th centuries, but most had derived from farmers and merchants who had migrated to the Baltics for opportunistic reasons from c. 12th to the 16th centuries. Riga (the modern Latvian capital), for instance, was an early and prominent member of the Hanseatic League. Some of 18th and 19th century Russia's great generals were Baltic German barons. Indeed, as I recall the principal Russian general at Tannenberg in 1914, Rennenkampf - perhaps not the most auspicious example - was a Baltic German.
Ancient Rus gave birth to an Eastern Slavic civilization that became an immense beacon for nearly all Slavs (and some non-Slavs) too far east to experience the tug-of-war between Constantinople and Rome but when Rus imploded and was eventually carved up by the Mongols/Tartars and Lithuania, many Eastern Slavic groups were cut off from one another and regional differences became increasingly pronounced. By the 19th century there were still many, many more Eastern Slavic groups than there are today. The Soviets in particular 'consolidated' and eliminated or ignored many groups long recognized by Lithuanians, Poles, Hungarians, Turks and Austrians; Lenin simply organized them into two main groups: Byelorussians (White Russians) and Ukrainians. Gone were Red Ruthenians, Black Ruthenians, the Lemko, etc. Rather than distinct groups, these peoples - some of which still survive today - are seen now as mere linguistic dialects of Russian, Ukrainian or Belarussian and not languages or cultures in their own right. 19th century nationalism destroyed or marginalized a lot of groups like this all across Europe.
Re: the Germans of Russia; as Russia gained control over the Baltics in the 17th and 18th centuries it inherited a large number of Germans (especially in the territories of modern Latvia and Estonia), who were descendants of medieval German colonists who had spanned throughout the eastern Baltic lands. Some derived from the post-crusades military orders (the Livonian Order, the Teutonic Knights) in the 12th and 13th centuries, but most had derived from farmers and merchants who had migrated to the Baltics for opportunistic reasons from c. 12th to the 16th centuries. Riga (the modern Latvian capital), for instance, was an early and prominent member of the Hanseatic League. Some of 18th and 19th century Russia's great generals were Baltic German barons. Indeed, as I recall the principal Russian general at Tannenberg in 1914, Rennenkampf - perhaps not the most auspicious example - was a Baltic German.
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Besides there was so called "Yellow Russia".
Between Japan-China war and Rusian-Japan war Manjouria temporary belonged to Russia. And there were projects of its colonization which expected the creation Yellow Russia there.
Between Japan-China war and Rusian-Japan war Manjouria temporary belonged to Russia. And there were projects of its colonization which expected the creation Yellow Russia there.
Phoen1x
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White Russians - defenders of Russian Empire during civil war 1918-1922. Soldiers and Generals which have not betraid the country and the military oath.
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